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alp227

(32,029 posts)
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 12:08 PM Jul 2020

Betsy DeVos: Schools that don't reopen shouldn't get federal funds

Source: Axios

Education Secretary Betsy DeVos told "Fox News Sunday" that public schools that don't reopen in the fall should not get federal funds, and that the money should be redirected to families who can use it to find another option for their children.

Why it matters: The Trump administration is engaged in a full-court press to reopen schools this fall, despite warnings from some public health officials that the coronavirus outbreak is out of control in many states and that it will be difficult for many schools to reopen safely.

Grilled by Fox's Chris Wallace on what the administration is doing to make to make it safer or more feasible, DeVos repeatedly stressed that "kids cannot afford to not continue learning" and that she's not talking about places where the virus is "out of control."

"We're talking about the rule, not the exception. And where there are hot spots in the future and in the fall, of course that has to be dealt with differently," DeVos said.

Read more: https://www.axios.com/besty-devos-schools-reopen-federal-funds-2d6341f2-c490-4e36-b996-58cf23447087.html

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Betsy DeVos: Schools that don't reopen shouldn't get federal funds (Original Post) alp227 Jul 2020 OP
DeVos has no plan or intention to protect our children C_U_L8R Jul 2020 #1
It is called the safeinOhio Jul 2020 #30
No, she doesn't. Igel Jul 2020 #34
Thank you, Igel C_U_L8R Jul 2020 #36
They've been trying to get rid of public schools. This is their big chance. yardwork Jul 2020 #2
Amen!!!! McKim Jul 2020 #25
Hey, here's an idea: tackle the pandemic and make schools safe cp Jul 2020 #3
DipShit DeVos has no clue, no plan and for sure no moral compass. NoMoreRepugs Jul 2020 #4
ANY excuse Ohiogal Jul 2020 #5
I was thinking is this push to open schools b/c private schools are not getting money if the mitch96 Jul 2020 #24
Don't get too excited about her ignorant threat against our children and teachers ... SWBTATTReg Jul 2020 #6
Title I, and Priority money essme Jul 2020 #8
Title I is (by one estimate) is $16 Billion for the entire Country, a tiny tiny drop in the bucket SWBTATTReg Jul 2020 #13
Yet another attempt by this evil woman Docreed2003 Jul 2020 #7
"find another option for their children" means divert taxpayer money to charter (for-profit) schools PSPS Jul 2020 #9
betsy, darlin' Maybe rich people, who can already afford to hire tutors, can use the money Tikki Jul 2020 #10
The Plan: Stuff the schools. Trump claims credit, wins re-election. Lets the kids die. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jul 2020 #11
Remember How They Think McKim Jul 2020 #26
a handful of tRumpsters will be happy to sacrifice their kids to their nazi idol yaesu Jul 2020 #12
vapid *super derogatory misogynist word* Kali Jul 2020 #14
Mhmm, same thought I had durablend Jul 2020 #18
my thoughts exactly...... nt fantase56 Jul 2020 #33
Go Ahead Betsy, I Dare You! eringer Jul 2020 #15
Let's see..how about a no bid Fed contract worth BILLIONS for Amyway cleaning supplies for schools Bengus81 Jul 2020 #16
Been down that road... paleotn Jul 2020 #17
It is truly difficult to BlueMTexpat Jul 2020 #19
I have nothing good I want to say about her. LiberalFighter Jul 2020 #20
Donate Amway Roy Rolling Jul 2020 #21
I can't wait to see her go. So sick of her crap. Politicub Jul 2020 #22
REMEMBER THEIR NAMES Yeehah Jul 2020 #23
Betsy DeVos is dedicated to the destruction of the public school systems across the entire nation. patphil Jul 2020 #27
Cruella DeVos needs to STFU Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2020 #28
With every word that comes out of her mouth, it is more and more evident... SKKY Jul 2020 #29
It's Betsy DeVos that shouldn't be getting any federal money. area51 Jul 2020 #31
She is a wannabe mass murderer. Lucky Luciano Jul 2020 #32
THIS is about shrinking/drowning "govt" in the bathtub folks - and THIS is a great illustration of Kashkakat v.2.0 Jul 2020 #35
DeVos and trump making MORE democratic voters every day beachbumbob Jul 2020 #37
Instead of setting guidelines and financial help to get schools open, they threaten. Kablooie Jul 2020 #38
If I am ever positive for covid-19 locks Jul 2020 #39
Teachers aren't going to show up Betsy... BigmanPigman Jul 2020 #40
And still the gutless Republican senators watch from the peanut gallery while usajumpedtheshark Jul 2020 #41

C_U_L8R

(45,003 posts)
1. DeVos has no plan or intention to protect our children
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 12:11 PM
Jul 2020

Last edited Sun Jul 12, 2020, 03:25 PM - Edit history (1)

Her ideological drive is worse than fascistic, it's ghoulish.

Igel

(35,320 posts)
34. No, she doesn't.
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 03:11 PM
Jul 2020

Like with Abbott, it's not her concern.

It's delegated. Take Texas. Every school district has the same constraints. They're all required to reopen. Attendance will be taken, and after a grace period funding will depend on attendance, like it always has. Kids don't show up, no money for that kid.

Schools are required to reopen. My district said a few days ago what that means. Now they're working on the details. Teachers had input, and it shows; we didn't dictate, and it shows. At the same time, although I have classes in 5 or 6 weeks, I don't have a clue what that means.

The state defines what "showing up" means. For highschoolers in online courses, it means 240 minutes facetime/seat-time per day during school days. In person is just like last year. It's okay to mix online and in-class, alternate days or weeks.

I might be teaching an online class for 160 kids. I might be in the classroom for 80 of them and teach the other 80 online. I might be in-class just like last fall. My school has two options: You elect in-class or online for you kid. It's not mix or match, class by class. And if in-class, it's 5 days a week, not alternating days or weeks. Some districts are doing that, and that's ok.

Notice that deVos is happy with that arrangement. She says they have to reopen and teach the kids. She didn't say that every kid had to be in the classroom. She probably has the same kind of data Texas has.

Texas' data comes in two types. The first student engagement, very basic, crude data, that shows a large percentage of kids just weren't tuned in during April and May. And cross-tabbing it with student characteristics show that those not tuned in were ELs, disadvantaged, black/NA/Latino. The second looked at achievement for those students who were selected to use a particular set of tools as of 5/24. It broke the state into three unequally sized groups: Those zip codes with fairly low incomes, those with middle incomes, those with high incomes. The low income was 55% below what previous years' data said they should have learned. The summer slump happened in March. Middle income zip codes were something like 22% below.

The high-income zip codes were 5% above. They learned more than they would have in school.

When you hear "we can all do online learning! It's so much nicer and you learn so much more" you hear privilege and "everybody's just like me" talking.

It's lose-lose situation.

My district has 130 openings for teachers right now. Some of the jobs have been open for months. A lot of openings have appeared in the last month. And my district probably isn't that much of an outlier.

yardwork

(61,650 posts)
2. They've been trying to get rid of public schools. This is their big chance.
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 12:11 PM
Jul 2020

Disaster capitalism at it's finest.

McKim

(2,412 posts)
25. Amen!!!!
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 01:22 PM
Jul 2020

Amen!!!! Betsy giving money left and right to homeschoolers. This is just like New Orleans where the hurricane gave the privatizes an opportunity to destroy public schools!

cp

(6,636 posts)
3. Hey, here's an idea: tackle the pandemic and make schools safe
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 12:13 PM
Jul 2020

Freaking dolt, if you get the pandemic contained, schools and businesses can safely re-open. If you don't, we're shut down as a country. Or we die.

Ohiogal

(32,005 posts)
5. ANY excuse
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 12:13 PM
Jul 2020

To shower religion schools with taxpayer dollars.

I can’t wait until this loathsome creature gets the heave-ho.

mitch96

(13,912 posts)
24. I was thinking is this push to open schools b/c private schools are not getting money if the
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 01:08 PM
Jul 2020

private schools are closed? I always try to find the money angle if I don't understand something..... Follow the money...
m

SWBTATTReg

(22,133 posts)
6. Don't get too excited about her ignorant threat against our children and teachers ...
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 12:16 PM
Jul 2020

school funding (on the part of the feds) is anywhere from 2% to 8% (at the most), so not a big whooping amount and not an amount to put thousands and thousands in harms' way.

essme

(1,207 posts)
8. Title I, and Priority money
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 12:21 PM
Jul 2020

are a very big deal for schools whose populations are primarily minority.

She is trying to capitalize on the pandemic to move that money to charter and private schools.

SWBTATTReg

(22,133 posts)
13. Title I is (by one estimate) is $16 Billion for the entire Country, a tiny tiny drop in the bucket
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 12:37 PM
Jul 2020

(certainly well in reach of my 2%-8% range) and Priority money doesn't exceed maybe 2-3 times that amount, and by far most dollars are contributed by state and local taxing entities. I didn't say that these funds aren't important, I said that they are a small percentage of the overall dollar amounts raised at the state and local level and as a taxpayer, I'll be damned if I am going to let these idiots tell me how to spend our local monies.

Docreed2003

(16,863 posts)
7. Yet another attempt by this evil woman
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 12:18 PM
Jul 2020

To divert funds from public education to he precious private Christian schools. Despicable.

PSPS

(13,601 posts)
9. "find another option for their children" means divert taxpayer money to charter (for-profit) schools
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 12:21 PM
Jul 2020

Tikki

(14,557 posts)
10. betsy, darlin' Maybe rich people, who can already afford to hire tutors, can use the money
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 12:22 PM
Jul 2020

you are going to send them for payments for a second yacht.


Tikki

11. The Plan: Stuff the schools. Trump claims credit, wins re-election. Lets the kids die.
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 12:33 PM
Jul 2020

Since everything Fat Donnie is doing is aimed at being re-elected (and avoiding prison), getting the schools open so the parents can be forced back to work by ending unemployment seems to be the goal. Then he can claim "a growth in the economy like no one has ever seen."

McKim

(2,412 posts)
26. Remember How They Think
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 01:26 PM
Jul 2020

Remember how they think Darwinian. If more poor kids and families die then they won’t have the welfare burden to pay for!!!!! Also fewer Black and Brown people feeds White Supremacy. Opening schools is another way to get the job done for them! Think this is too over the edge?
Think about this old saying from the Bible: “By their fruits you shall know them.” In other words look at the end results of their actions and you will see them in the fullness of their “values”.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
12. a handful of tRumpsters will be happy to sacrifice their kids to their nazi idol
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 12:35 PM
Jul 2020

but the majority will be pissed, even an idiot politician like tRump should know never, ever mess with the kids.

durablend

(7,460 posts)
18. Mhmm, same thought I had
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 12:52 PM
Jul 2020

Would be banned if I called her that.

Hopefully not banned for thinking it.

eringer

(460 posts)
15. Go Ahead Betsy, I Dare You!
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 12:40 PM
Jul 2020

Have you ever heard of Federal Impact Aid grant funds? Yeah, that is what the Federal Government sends to local school systems to offset the cost of educating Military dependents. Don't give me that ,"but those monies won't be affected" line. That is a good portion of the money you are threatening to reallocate to some pre-pandemic magical wonderland where parents can find schools they can send their children to full-time like nothing has happened. Go ahead. Be honest for once. Tell the Military that you will not educate their children. Better yet, have your boss tell them.
Face it Betsy, the time for honoring yourself on Fox News Sunday is coming to an end.

Bengus81

(6,931 posts)
16. Let's see..how about a no bid Fed contract worth BILLIONS for Amyway cleaning supplies for schools
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 12:43 PM
Jul 2020

Coming soon. Who'd a thunk it?

paleotn

(17,931 posts)
17. Been down that road...
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 12:52 PM
Jul 2020

Founders were explicit on this. It's settled law, Betsy. The executive branch cannot withhold funding approved by Congress. More hollow threats by jackass menagerie.

BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
19. It is truly difficult to
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 12:55 PM
Jul 2020

decide which person to loathe most in the MisAdministration.

Every one is from the bottom of the barrel.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
22. I can't wait to see her go. So sick of her crap.
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 01:03 PM
Jul 2020

She was not qualified for her important job and is using her role to line her filthy pockets.

All of this is at the expense of the future of the nation’s children.

patphil

(6,182 posts)
27. Betsy DeVos is dedicated to the destruction of the public school systems across the entire nation.
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 01:28 PM
Jul 2020

Of course she's going to be Trump's point person for the withholding of funds.
Its a lose/lose situation for public education.
Open the schools and risk the health of the children, teachers, administrators, custodians, and ultimately the kids parents, or keep them closed and lose money needed to support the school systems.
She doesn't care how many people are injured by her insistence on opening the schools, her goal is to destroy the schools and put it all in the hands of for-profit private schools.

Private schools are not directly controlled by the community as are public schools, and can adjust the content of the curriculum to suit their needs. It's a subtle form of managing the knowledge base of the next generation. Emphasize certain ideas, and de-emphasize others to mold the minds of the kids so they will have the desired understandings that will shape their adult experiences.

SKKY

(11,811 posts)
29. With every word that comes out of her mouth, it is more and more evident...
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 02:02 PM
Jul 2020

...that she has not the first clue of what it's like to be an educator.

Kashkakat v.2.0

(1,752 posts)
35. THIS is about shrinking/drowning "govt" in the bathtub folks - and THIS is a great illustration of
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 03:11 PM
Jul 2020

why the mainstream repub party has been, and continue to be happy to go along with Trump shenanigans - its working for them. This is their once in a lifetime opportunity to defund public schools, and don't think they wont do it.

Whether the public schools are actually defunded, or whether reopenings result in massive nos of parents opting for private education - either way the far rw exxtremist will be happy.

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
37. DeVos and trump making MORE democratic voters every day
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 04:38 PM
Jul 2020

some how they think GOP supporters don't have kids in school??

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
38. Instead of setting guidelines and financial help to get schools open, they threaten.
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 06:08 PM
Jul 2020

Any normal government would try to help communities open schools safely.
Trump's administration leaves it all to each district to handle alone and threatens them if they don't.

Evil is the word.
Pure evil.

locks

(2,012 posts)
39. If I am ever positive for covid-19
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 06:20 PM
Jul 2020

I will ask my family to take me to DeVos' billion dollar mansion and I will run in as fast as possible and give her lots of hugs and kisses.

BigmanPigman

(51,609 posts)
40. Teachers aren't going to show up Betsy...
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 12:11 AM
Jul 2020

why don't YOU go and teach every single day for one month...I dare you. In fact I would put money on it!

usajumpedtheshark

(672 posts)
41. And still the gutless Republican senators watch from the peanut gallery while
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 02:48 AM
Jul 2020

tRump continues to demolish the country and fellow Americans.

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