Men's Rights Lawyer Eyed in Shooting of NJ Judge's Family

[JoeOtterbein]

Source: The Daily Beast

The gunman who shot the husband and son of a federal judge in New Jersey is believed to be a lawyer and men’s rights activist who was found dead of an apparently self-inflicted gunshot wound hours later, two law-enforcement sources told The Daily Beast.

Roy Den Hollander was discovered in the upstate New York town of Rockland, the sources said. He had a case—a challenge to the military’s male-only draft—pending before Salas, according to court documents.

Hollander described himself on his website as an anti-feminist. “Now is the time for all good men to fight for their rights before they have no rights left,” it said.

His family could not be reached for comment.

Read more: https://www.thedailybeast.com/gunman-ambushes-nj-federal-judge-esther-salas-husband-mark-anderl-and-son-at-home?ref=home

[lapfog_1]

1. As sad as this is

I would be relieved to know that this wasn't a Putin sponsored "hit" because her case with money laundering, etc.

[Mike 03]

3. Agreed, significantly relieved. nt

[intrepidity]

5. Perhaps things are not as they seem?

Quote from downthread:

Our favorite detail about the lawyer provocateur: his ex-wife was a Russian mafia prostitute who used to be mistress to a Chechnyan warlord!”

[chowder66]

14. Hollander Previously Worked on Security Issues in Moscow, His Resume Says

snip

He listed his work experience as “attorney and business consultant” in New York from 2000 to present. “Litigate civil cases, including men’s rights, immigration fraud, insurance subrogation, and RICO,” he wrote. “Advise businesses on corporate governance, contracts and litigation.”

From 1999-2000, he wrote that he worked for Kroll Associates in Moscow, Russia, saying he “managed and upgraded Kroll’s delivery of intelligence and security in the former Soviet Union.” He also worked as an attorney in Russia and Ecuador.

“Counseled companies, individuals, and nonprofit organizations in America, Russia, and Ecuador on legal and business issues, including international financing and marketing,” he wrote.

Back in the 1980s, he worked in private practice and also as an attorney “in the Office of Chief Counsel of the Internal Revenue Service: Interpretative Division.”

https://heavy.com/news/2020/07/roy-den-hollander/

[bucolic_frolic]

16. That is a strange coincidence

rare to find that on a resume of a lawyer in the US I would think.

[chowder66]

17. The odds are pretty wild.

[Strelnikov_]

33. No such thing as coincidence when it comes to solving a crime

If true, this should become a major direction for the investigation until cleared.

[yellowcanine]

8. I am not relieved. The guy could have been hired by the Russian Mob and then "suicided."

I will say it again. There are too many loose ends to leave this in the hands of Billy Barr. We need a special prosecutor. And fast, before more witnesses and evidence disappear.

[LizBeth]

11. Not even merely hired but with his hate an agenda.

[rwsanders]

20. Then they get a twofer, pressure the judge & get rid of a disposable lawyer who knows a bit too much

[Miguelito Loveless]

9. So, you want to screw up a case by assassinating a judge

and you have massive resources of a major world power at your disposal. So, you target a mentally disturbed individual who can be encouraged to become more and more radical, then push him to the point where he will kill, then point him at the judge. When he gets back from his task, his handler is waiting and executes him. When the handler returns to his home country, he/she is executed as well. You have used a double cut-out between you and your deed, so the trail will be impossible to pick up. Also, by using a mentally disturbed person, few will look beyond that for a motive. Case closed.

The stuff of tin-foil hats, you say.

Certainly. But also Russian/Soviet tradecraft.

[Nay]

15. And the nutcase ends up shooting everyone BUT the judge!! The Men' Rights

moron shoots TWO INNOCENT MEN!

Honest to god, I need off this planet.

[Miguelito Loveless]

18. That's the risk you take

when you send in a nut.

[JonLP24]

39. Violence from mentally ill is rare

When I was having worse mental health problems part of my paranoia is I would be framed like an Oswald or Sirhan Sirhan but I was relieved when I saw the stats. Mentally ill are actually more likely to be victims of violence than the rest of the public.

You may have a point regarding JFK. I dug into files though not many the recently released one and the first document it was mentioned they wanted to examine the possibility Oswald was "Sheep dipped" which means formally discharging from the military but begin to do intelligence work because of his security clearance. His life is a mystery he goes to the Russian embassy lives in Russia comes back then has a mysterious time before the assassination. He is in New Orleans, Soviet embassy in Mexico where CIA is watching the place they have a body double photo of Oswald for some reason.

Someone should examine all the files & compare it with information already known and write a book or documentary without bias.

All that said I don't think there is evidence a conspiracy in the men's right lawyer.

The recent assassinations in Europe left a trail to Moscow in fact their assassination spy unit was actually doxxed because of the internet.

[BigmanPigman]

28. I know...

sort of ironic.

[Jedi Guy]

29. And your knowledge and expertise regarding Russian/Soviet tradecraft is...? N/T

[Miguelito Loveless]

30. I am well read

Or a Soviet spy. You’re call.

[Miguelito Loveless]

34. Perhaps, KAOS

or T.H.R.U.S.H.?

[Jedi Guy]

35. There's a third option, as well. N/T

[Miguelito Loveless]

36. Do tell...

[Jedi Guy]

37. Well...

The third option is that, with all due respect, you don't really know much of anything about Russian/Soviet tradecraft. If it was that well-known that the Russians will kill their operatives, and that the handler would then also be killed, why in the world would anyone want to do any kind of spy work for the Russians? "Do your job and we'll kill you dead" is kind of a hard sell, you must admit. Logically, that makes absolutely no sense.

Of course, you want to believe it even though it makes absolutely no sense, and here we are.

[Miguelito Loveless]

38. Well, you might be right,

The only problem being is that the side-effect of such a strategy is only the person doing the killing of the assassin knows the ultimate truth. Done correctly, no evidence. It's not like the spymaster calls his assassin back to the office, kills him, and then files a form while the janitors dismember the body.

Some point to JFK's assassination, where the assassin was killed before he could talk, and the guy who killed him died of cancer, as evidence off this tactic. Now, I am weird, I think Oswald killed Kennedy, and all of the suspicious activity afterward was the FBI trying to hide its incompetence. Far better for the public to believe in a dark foreign conspiracy, than no the truth, the FBI (and most law enforcement) only solve crimes because the criminals are stupider than they are. I think the FBI arranging Oswald's assassination by Ruby via their mob ties is plausible, in order to keep Oswald from showing them to be utter fools, incapable of stopping an assassin Inspector Clouseau could have caught.

Also, keeping the murder of the assassin secret doesn't really need to happen. Jamal Kashoggi's assassins have been arrested by the Saudi government and have been tried, convicted, and are facing execution. And for some reason, they are not being allowed to talk to anyone. Despite this, I doubt MBS will have problems drumming up future assassination squads. It's not like they can say "Sorry, pass", since such answers also wind up with them dead. So, I am not seeing how my viewpoint "makes no sense" logically, when logic has little to do with people willing to order people murdered, and the existence of people willing to commit such murders without question.

Conspiracies do occur. Perfect murders take place. The ones that do work according to plan don't get revealed.

Sure, I can be wrong, and the fact that the guy had terminal cancer (like Jack Ruby, coincidentally) seems to point to the random nut explanation.

That said, you could have been a tad more polite in your opinion. Whenever anyone starts a sentence "with all due respect", it is a signal that the person making the statement is going to express their lack of respect to the subject of the disclaimer.

But, such is life in our digital age.

[LanternWaste]

40. It does not follow

Regardless of where we are.

[Jedi Guy]

41. ...

[snort]

10. Was he facing financial ruin?

I need this info for my CT.

[bronxiteforever]

2. Kick & recommend for visibility. Aggrieved White man

Destroys Hispanic Judge’s family.

Profile

https://gothamist.com/news/provocateur-lawyer-losing-war-against-ladies-nights

One lawyer's quixotic fight for men's equality suffered yet another legal setback when a judge ruled his human rights were not violated by a Chelsea nightclub that made him buy a $350 bottle of vodka to get in.
Manhattan Supreme Court Justice Alexander Hunter wrote this week that Roy Den Hollander was not the victim of age and gender discrimination in 2010 when a bouncer at Amnesia nightclub told the 66-year-old to pay up, while letting a young lady in for free at the same time.

https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/judge-rules-nightclub-entry-not-human-article-1.1415304

Also interesting

“Even if he can't get 100,000 armed guys to protest with him, Hollander promises: "I'm going to fight the feminists until my last dollar, my last breath, and if there's anything after death, I will fight them for eternity." Our favorite detail about the lawyer provocateur: his ex-wife was a Russian mafia prostitute who used to be mistress to a Chechnyan warlord!”

https://gothamist.com/news/video-ladies-night-lawyer-gets-roasted-on-colbert

[Yeehah]

4. Another Trump-loving terrorist n/t

[aggiesal]

6. And a 20 year old had to pay the ultimate price for this idiosy ...

Haven't heard if the husband survived, up to now.

But if the gunman was the person who committed this shooting,
he took the easiest route, which was too good for him.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

7. Duplicate? Not sure

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142541545

[stillcool]

12. I don't know any men's rights activists..

but it sounds very Republican-ish.

For years, Hollander has been filing suits alleging that women get unconstitutional special treatment and pushing to outlaw Ladies’ Nights at bars and women’s studies programs at universities. According to his website, it appears his foray in the men’s rights movement was sparked by his marriage to a Russian woman he met while working for the investigative firm Kroll Associates in the late 1990s; he alleges she was really a prostitute who swindled him.

In 2016, he also filed a ludicrous suit against reporters from CBS News, NBC News, ABC News, CNN, PBS News Hour, The New York Times and The Washington Post, claiming their stories on President Trump amounted to a violation of the anti-racketeering statute used to prosecute mobsters.

[Aristus]

21. These mutton-heads are so fucking stupid.

Ladies Nights at bars are not mandated by the Federal government, or a line-item in Title IX; they're a promotion offered by privately-owned businesses to bring in more custom. Women are offered drinks at a lower-than-usual price to draw them in to a bar. Guys want to go where there are lots of women drinking, and they will also spend money on drinks. The bars make money.

Does this guy hate the market economy?

[stillcool]

23. 1/2 price drinks for all....or none

[Nay]

13. So he shoots ---- two innocent men? This doesn't compute. But a lot of

those MRAers seem daft to begin with.

[IronLionZion]

19. He fights hard for the rights of men by...shooting 2 men?

Even though he's dead, charge him with terrorism posthumously. Americans need to know what sort of person commits violence and murder to pursue a political agenda. They have names like Roy and look like this in a business suit.



https://heavy.com/news/2020/07/roy-den-hollander/

[RhodeIslandOne]

22. A patsy

The perfect guy who'd be "serving his country", then get taken out when he doesn't have the guts to pull the trigger on himself.

[niyad]

24. Can somebody post pics of epstein and this guy side by side? I got the same creepy vibe

off his pic as I have from the perv.

[niyad]

25. As Church Lady would say,"how conveeeeeeeenient!"

[rainin]

26. "Apparent suicide" again? By now, we know to be suspicious of this

Funny that immediately after the story broke, I saw someone predict that the shooter would turn up dead. Dead men don't tell tales.

Assuming his death ties this crime up in a tidy bow is naive. It's not hard for FSB or related actors to make a death look like suicide. They know what investigators look for.

How many people can die to protect the criminals at Deutsche bank before we stop believing every death is unrelated? Taken together, these criminals will kill anyone to protect their crimes

[LiberalArkie]

27. Who is to say this is even the guy that did it. A fall guy but a lawyer would just have some one

do it, wouldn't they?


But! A municipal employee reportedly discovered the attorney’s body in the car, along with a FedEx package addressed to Salas. The judge, who had received threats in the past, was assigned a case involving Deutsche Bank’s ties to Jeffrey Epstein less than a week before the attack on her family.