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alp227

(32,062 posts)
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 01:45 AM Jul 2020

Police station windows smashed following huge Oakland rally

Source: San Francisco Chronicle

Downtown Oakland was on alert Saturday night following a peaceful protest that drew thousands of people in a show of solidarity against racial injustice and in support of protesters in Portland, Ore.

Hours after people had marched from Frank H. Ogawa Plaza along Broadway chanting, “No justice, no peace,” reports from the scene indicated a barricade of cops in front of a police station, with protesters projecting images like “Defund police” onto the building, smashing windows, using graffiti and using flares and fireworks.

Oakland police said on Twitter that some windows on the station were shattered, and messages were spray painted on the building.

“Breaking windows, spray painting, shooting fireworks and pointing lasers at officers and helicopters,” Oakland police said on Twitter. “We ask for organizers to keep the protest peaceful.” Oakland police end the tweet with the hashtag, “WallofMoms.”

Read more: https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Hundreds-gather-at-packed-Oakland-rally-to-show-15434658.php

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Police station windows smashed following huge Oakland rally (Original Post) alp227 Jul 2020 OP
"Keep it peaceful." Grokenstein Jul 2020 #1
I just hope all of this doesn't turn against us. demosincebirth Jul 2020 #2
If the violence keeps up it surely will. oldsoftie Jul 2020 #10
Vandalism isn't violence, why conflate the two, what is your purpose in doing so? n/t Humanist_Activist Jul 2020 #14
That's splitting hairs Thekaspervote Jul 2020 #15
No it isn't, graffiti artists aren't an existential threat to anyone, nor are those who break a... Humanist_Activist Jul 2020 #25
"artists" my ass. Maybe 10% of what i've seen qualifies as "art". oldsoftie Jul 2020 #30
I grew up in Oakland, and when peaceful protests run into the evening demosincebirth Jul 2020 #33
Yep, B-Roll for Trump ads to be played under an ominous voice-over. HotTeaBag Jul 2020 #35
Already seeing it. oldsoftie Jul 2020 #36
It's just paint. It can be covered or sandblasted. Dyedinthewoolliberal Jul 2020 #38
Somebody comes into your place and trashes it, Igel Jul 2020 #19
STUPID Skittles Jul 2020 #3
Sounds like instigators. wouldn't be surprised if some are right-wingers rockfordfile Jul 2020 #4
Yes, agent provocateurs ... Auggie Jul 2020 #13
Provocateurs or idealistic idiots? KY_EnviroGuy Jul 2020 #5
Yes! oldsoftie Jul 2020 #11
Very true. demosincebirth Jul 2020 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author CountAllVotes Jul 2020 #6
There was COINTELPRO back then JonLP24 Jul 2020 #7
We have the same rat fucking stuff going on now...It hasn't changed LeftInTX Jul 2020 #9
Sorry for you. If you didn't get it then and don't get it now you never will. brush Jul 2020 #8
what an awful response to an honest opinion. oldsoftie Jul 2020 #12
☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️ Thekaspervote Jul 2020 #16
See post #17. brush Jul 2020 #18
I don't think it's awful. I lived in Oakland at the time she/he's speaking of... brush Jul 2020 #17
I didn't think it was awful at all JonLP24 Jul 2020 #21
Thanks, JonLP24. It's disappointind to read such an uninformed... brush Jul 2020 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author CountAllVotes Jul 2020 #26
Black Panther Party was very positive until the FBI got involved JonLP24 Jul 2020 #27
See posts #17 and 27 and you will be more informed. brush Jul 2020 #28
what's with this laser BS? Blues Heron Jul 2020 #20
Hong Kong protesters use laser pointers to deter police, scramble facial recognition dalton99a Jul 2020 #22
wow - those things can do serious eye damage Blues Heron Jul 2020 #23
Yes, they likely HAVE already blinded 3 agents. But hopefully not. oldsoftie Jul 2020 #29
"peaceful protest" or "smashing windows, using graffiti and using flares and fireworks" ? EX500rider Jul 2020 #31
thoughts and prayers for the families of those windows. uncle ray Jul 2020 #32
The legitimate protesters are not committing the destruction and violence Steelrolled Jul 2020 #37

Grokenstein

(5,727 posts)
1. "Keep it peaceful."
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 01:53 AM
Jul 2020

"Keep it peaceful or we'll break your skulls and kill you until you let us go back to breaking your skulls and killing you with impunity."

oldsoftie

(12,615 posts)
10. If the violence keeps up it surely will.
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 07:21 AM
Jul 2020

And if the worst arent arrested and exposed for whoever they are, it'll continue.
The fight against police brutality has already been hijacked by a dozen other "demands"

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
25. No it isn't, graffiti artists aren't an existential threat to anyone, nor are those who break a...
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 03:53 PM
Jul 2020

few windows, etc.

Those who are willing to attack people in defense of property(i.e. the police) are vastly more of a threat to the well being of others.

oldsoftie

(12,615 posts)
30. "artists" my ass. Maybe 10% of what i've seen qualifies as "art".
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 05:38 PM
Jul 2020

Spraying "fuck the police" on a wall isnt art.
And yes, you have the right to defend PROPERTY. And that property is paid for by US. And a ton of our money will be spent to FIX it.
The collateral damage is that this activity pushes more people away than it brings in. Along with the extreme demands now being made that have nothing to do with the murder of George Floyd & police abuse of power

demosincebirth

(12,543 posts)
33. I grew up in Oakland, and when peaceful protests run into the evening
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 07:41 PM
Jul 2020

Looting and violence follows. I’m sure that’s the pattern in many U.S. cities - just like clockwork. This is what the rest of the country sees, not the peaceful protests.

 

HotTeaBag

(1,206 posts)
35. Yep, B-Roll for Trump ads to be played under an ominous voice-over.
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 09:03 PM
Jul 2020

That's exactly the imagery he's is looking for, and unfortunately he's getting it.

Igel

(35,359 posts)
19. Somebody comes into your place and trashes it,
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 11:42 AM
Jul 2020

breaking things and setting your kitchen on fire, you're likely to call it violence.

Until recently "violence" required physical action. So "silence is violence" was a reach of a metaphor.

A storm can be violent in destroying a house. No people need to be involved. Recently there's been a redefining to make what used to be violence into non-violence.

"Violent" has a connotation. It has a denotation. Some aware of this are trying to manipulate the denotation to serve their ends while keeping the connotation and shift it to things they want to assign a negative connotation to.

Linguistic manipulation is a tried and true way of manipulating a population. It hides what you're doing, it backfoots enemies, it deludes superficial people into changing what they think without changing what they think they think. A classic case is "the people". You define "the people" one way, and suddenly power shifts to the "right" people; you define it another way, and you can kill millions of "not really people". But language is like air, it's in the background, it's seldom noticed. Until it's so polluted it's harming people, so tained with carbon monoxide that it's killing people. Often, though, it's slow enough that we don't notice until we're too weak to do anything about it. There's a nifty work that shows how "the people" changes referents through a discourse, starting with "workers" in factories and streets and ends up with "the people" just including the supreme leader in a repressive regime, with anybody--or everybody--that disagrees with those views being "not really people." And if you're not really people, off to the camps with you.

Could have been Nazi Germany under discussion. But it was definitely not Germany discussed in that work.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,494 posts)
5. Provocateurs or idealistic idiots?
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 02:54 AM
Jul 2020

Righteous protesters must monitor their groups for those who only want anarchy or to do damage for revenge and stop the damage to public and private property. Otherwise, things will not change or changes will come far more slowly.

Damage to property feeds Trump's narratives as he pits middle-class suburban and rural citizens against those in the cities.

Plus, city maintenance budgets are strapped to the limit already.

KY

Response to alp227 (Original post)

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
7. There was COINTELPRO back then
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 03:13 AM
Jul 2020

they turned people against each other among other things. Huey was likely right to be paranoid.

The issues they are protesting have existed during the entire US history. It should have been an issue that was addressed a long time ago.

brush

(53,892 posts)
17. I don't think it's awful. I lived in Oakland at the time she/he's speaking of...
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 10:11 AM
Jul 2020

Last edited Sun Jul 26, 2020, 11:48 AM - Edit history (2)

and the Black Panther Party was an absolute champion of the black communities of west and east Oakland against a brutal Oakland Police Dept. then lead by the notorious police chief Darryl Gates, which is why I asked if he/she is white. Black folks, myself included, have different opinions of the BPP.

They were doing back in the sixties what the George Floyd protestors are doing now, fighting against police brutality which was routine, often and unreported then as there were no cellphone videos. The BPP actually armed themselves (legally) and patrolled the cops in an attempt to stop the brutalization. They also had a breakfast program that fed neighborhood kids for years, and they also published a newspaper that informed the community and helped them raise funds. They did a hell of a lot of good and were the forerunners of today's protestors so someone who didn't get it then, it's a puzzle to me as he/she didn't even live there. His/her uncle did.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
21. I didn't think it was awful at all
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 12:40 PM
Jul 2020

Don't worry about it.

I also feel the same way about the Black Panther Party but that is because I actually research things.

brush

(53,892 posts)
24. Thanks, JonLP24. It's disappointind to read such an uninformed...
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 12:57 PM
Jul 2020

post on this progressive board.

Response to brush (Reply #8)

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
27. Black Panther Party was very positive until the FBI got involved
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 04:34 PM
Jul 2020

(Snip)

In 1969, Federal Bureau of Investigation Director J. Edgar Hoover described the party as "the greatest threat to the internal security of the country."[17][18][19] He developed and supervised an extensive counterintelligence program (COINTELPRO) of surveillance, infiltration, perjury, police harassment, and many other tactics, designed to undermine Panther leadership, incriminate and assassinate party members, discredit and criminalize the Party, and drain organizational resources and manpower. The program was responsible for the assassination of Fred Hampton,[20] and is accused of assassinating other Black Panther members, including Mark Clark.[21][22][23][24]

Government persecution initially contributed to the party's growth, as killings and arrests of Panthers increased its support among African Americans and the broad political left, who both valued the Panthers as a powerful force opposed to de facto segregation and the military draft. The party enrolled the most members and had the most influence in the Oakland-San Francisco Bay Area, New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, Seattle, and Philadelphia.[25] There were active chapters in many prisons, at a time when an increasing number of young African-American men were being incarcerated.

(Snip)

August 1967, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) instructed its program "COINTELPRO" to "neutralize ... black nationalist hate groups" and other dissident groups. In September 1968, FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover described the Black Panthers as "the greatest threat to the internal security of the country".[70] By 1969, the Black Panthers and their allies had become primary COINTELPRO targets, singled out in 233 of the 295 authorized "Black Nationalist" COINTELPRO actions.[71] The goals of the program were to prevent unification of militant black nationalist groups and to weaken their leadership, as well as to discredit them to reduce their support and growth. The initial targets included the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee, the Revolutionary Action Movement and the Nation of Islam, as well as leaders including the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., Stokely Carmichael, H. Rap Brown, Maxwell Stanford and Elijah Muhammad.

COINTELPRO attempted to create rivalries between black nationalist factions, and to exploit existing ones. One such attempt was to "intensify the degree of animosity" between the Black Panthers and the Blackstone Rangers, a Chicago street gang. The FBI sent an anonymous letter to the Rangers' gang leader claiming that the Panthers were threatening his life, a letter whose intent was to provoke "preemptive" violence against Panther leadership. In Southern California, the FBI made similar efforts to exacerbate a "gang war" between the Black Panther Party and a black nationalist group called the US Organization, allegedly sending a provocative letter to the US Organization to increase existing antagonism.[72]

COINTELPRO also aimed to dismantle the Black Panther Party by targeting their social/community programs, most prominently Free Breakfast for Children. The success of Free Breakfast served to "shed light on the government's failure to address child poverty and hunger—pointing to the limits of the nation's War on Poverty".[73] As the Party taught and provided for children more effectively than the government, the FBI denounced their efforts as a means of indoctrination. "Police and Federal Agents regularly harassed and intimidated program participants, supporters, and Party workers and sought to scare away donors and organizations that housed the programs like churches and community centers".[73][74]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Panther_Party

I'm sure this wasn't publicized back then.

brush

(53,892 posts)
28. See posts #17 and 27 and you will be more informed.
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 04:48 PM
Jul 2020

Without more information on the BPP calling my question a cop out is just that.

dalton99a

(81,599 posts)
22. Hong Kong protesters use laser pointers to deter police, scramble facial recognition
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 12:43 PM
Jul 2020
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/hong-kong-protest-lasers-facial-recognition-technology-1.5240651
Hong Kong protesters use laser pointers to deter police, scramble facial recognition
Police label the hand-held lasers 'offensive weapons'
Adam Jacobson · CBC News · Posted: Aug 11, 2019 4:00 AM ET | Last Updated: August 11, 2019

EX500rider

(10,872 posts)
31. "peaceful protest" or "smashing windows, using graffiti and using flares and fireworks" ?
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 06:45 PM
Jul 2020

Does not sound very peaceful.

 

Steelrolled

(2,022 posts)
37. The legitimate protesters are not committing the destruction and violence
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 11:12 PM
Jul 2020

But they are enabling the people who do.

I think they are largely doing it unwittingly. Many of the protesters are relatively young, and they might not realize the role they are playing.

Face it, even if you're not one to commit destruction, it is exciting being around it. It becomes a carnival atmosphere. I've experienced it many years ago.

Meanwhile the media just reports that the protesters became destructive. They are writing campaign ads for trump.

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