Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Omaha Steve

(99,703 posts)
Thu Aug 20, 2020, 04:27 PM Aug 2020

Record melt: Greenland lost 586 billion tons of ice in 2019

Source: AP

By SETH BORENSTEIN

Greenland lost a record amount of ice during an extra warm 2019, with the melt massive enough to cover California in more than four feet (1.25 meters) of water, a new study said.

After two years when summer ice melt had been minimal, last summer shattered all records with 586 billion tons (532 billion metric tons) of ice melting, according to satellite measurements reported in a study Thursday. That’s more than 140 trillion gallons (532 trillion liters) of water.

That’s far more than the yearly average loss of 259 billion tons (235 billion metric tons) since 2003 and easily surpasses the old record of 511 billion tons (464 billion metric tons) in 2012, said a study in Communications Earth & Environment. The study showed that in the 20th century, there were many years when Greenland gained ice.

“Not only is the Greenland ice sheet melting, but it’s melting at a faster and faster pace,” said study lead author Ingo Sasgen, a geoscientist at the Alfred Wegener Institute in Germany.



FILE - In this Aug. 16, 2019 file photo, a woman stands next to an antenna at an NYU base camp at the Helheim glacier in Greenland. According to a study released on Thursday, Aug. 20, 2020, Greenland lost a record amount of ice during an extra warm 2019, with the melt massive enough to cover California in more than four feet (1.25 meters) of water. (AP Photo/Felipe Dana)


Read more: https://apnews.com/6fcaab97241d34c83f448f019179ca6b

22 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Record melt: Greenland lost 586 billion tons of ice in 2019 (Original Post) Omaha Steve Aug 2020 OP
Yet the shithole that occupies the White House says global warming is a hoax. nt iluvtennis Aug 2020 #1
Don't worry. Be happy. Head on over to the E&E forum and learn all about how... NNadir Aug 2020 #2
I once requested a forum just for climate and endangered species issues, but it went nowhere... rwsanders Aug 2020 #3
The reality here is that what is popular is not working... NNadir Aug 2020 #4
I keep thinking this episode of Star Trek TNG was written as a guide for this era... rwsanders Aug 2020 #9
I get the sense that very few here are actively working on adapting to the coming changes. Kaleva Aug 2020 #14
Interesting you say that. I'm not exactly sure how to prepare myself. I've been thinking back to rwsanders Aug 2020 #18
One can find on line info on how climate change is expected to impact where you live. Kaleva Aug 2020 #19
No one wants to address the real problem. roamer65 Aug 2020 #5
Bingo! Yeehah Aug 2020 #6
Just wait until we get to 1000ppm GHG's. roamer65 Aug 2020 #7
I've heard this many times over the years, but I seldom, if ever, encounter... NNadir Aug 2020 #10
Mother Nature, climate change or thermonuclear war is going to reduce the population. roamer65 Aug 2020 #11
Choosing tragedy over reason is just that, a choice. None of the outcomes you blithely assert... NNadir Aug 2020 #12
All civilizations rise and fall. roamer65 Aug 2020 #13
Well, since for the first time in world history, the world culture is more or less homogeneous... NNadir Aug 2020 #20
It's a problem with all living things but Mother nature has remedies for it. Kaleva Aug 2020 #15
Unfortunately trump is not our biggest problem. marie999 Aug 2020 #8
I believe the tipping point has already been passed. Kaleva Aug 2020 #16
I don't either. Delphinus Aug 2020 #17
I would agree with you. roamer65 Aug 2020 #22
Does this mean it's on discount when we buy it? (n/t) MissMillie Aug 2020 #21

NNadir

(33,541 posts)
2. Don't worry. Be happy. Head on over to the E&E forum and learn all about how...
Thu Aug 20, 2020, 09:21 PM
Aug 2020

...solar cells on the roofs of McMansions are saving the day. Why, some of them might even be "efficient" lead iodide perovskites soon.

We all need to continue to cheer loudly.

Personally, I've been hearing this sort of thing for many years, decades actually, and am unimpressed, but I get in some trouble when I say as much.

History will not forgive us, nor should it.

rwsanders

(2,606 posts)
3. I once requested a forum just for climate and endangered species issues, but it went nowhere...
Fri Aug 21, 2020, 11:47 AM
Aug 2020

It is sad that even on DU these issues get so few views, likes, or comments. It is quite distressing.

I clicked on this one hoping to find some discussion, but...

NNadir

(33,541 posts)
4. The reality here is that what is popular is not working...
Fri Aug 21, 2020, 03:17 PM
Aug 2020

...and thus the issue is treated with lip service and genuflections toward the so called "green new deal" which is neither green nor new nor much of a deal since um, it hasn't worked, isn't working and won't work. Addressing climate change is a very serious engineering challenge and frankly much of our rhetoric on the subject involves wishful thinking.

rwsanders

(2,606 posts)
9. I keep thinking this episode of Star Trek TNG was written as a guide for this era...
Sat Aug 22, 2020, 01:42 AM
Aug 2020

Problem is that we'll never get the world to work together, we can't get the country to work together, heck even the Cousteau's can't work together, they've all got their own dang organization!
I'm almost thinking the engineering would be far easier than the social engineering necessary for the engineering to work.

Kaleva

(36,333 posts)
14. I get the sense that very few here are actively working on adapting to the coming changes.
Sat Aug 22, 2020, 03:41 PM
Aug 2020

There's a great deal of info on the internet, backed by sound science, that details the effects climate change will have on various regions so there really isn't any excuse for not preparing now.

rwsanders

(2,606 posts)
18. Interesting you say that. I'm not exactly sure how to prepare myself. I've been thinking back to
Sun Aug 23, 2020, 02:12 AM
Aug 2020

when my parents told me "college, college, college...", well to them at the time, college was a golden ticket. By the time I finished everyone had one, but that was what my parents knew.
Now I'm not so sure if I should prepare kids for college, or teach them to forage for acorns in the woods. I don't know how much longer our social fabric will last or where to go as it begins to fray.

Kaleva

(36,333 posts)
19. One can find on line info on how climate change is expected to impact where you live.
Sun Aug 23, 2020, 08:28 AM
Aug 2020

The effects of climate change will not be uniform around the world or even in the the US.

Where I live, winters are expected to be shorter and more mild, growing season longer and summers wetter.

roamer65

(36,747 posts)
5. No one wants to address the real problem.
Fri Aug 21, 2020, 06:47 PM
Aug 2020

Population control.

There are simply too many people on the planet.

Yeehah

(4,589 posts)
6. Bingo!
Fri Aug 21, 2020, 06:52 PM
Aug 2020

Humans have become a blight on this planet. We continue to destroy the only known biosphere in the universe. As a species, we just ain't that bright.

NNadir

(33,541 posts)
10. I've heard this many times over the years, but I seldom, if ever, encounter...
Sat Aug 22, 2020, 04:51 AM
Aug 2020

...anyone who is willing to commit suicide for the cause.

The world abandoned so called "renewable energy" in the early 19th century on the grounds that most people - even more so than today - lived short miserable lives of dire poverty. That population was 1/7th of what we have today.

The belief that we can survive on so called "renewable energy" is therefore not progressive; it is reactionary, and, in fact, highly elitist.

I ask people who believe that the answer is only population control, who the six people among any group of 7 are who must die so we can all live sustainably. No one ever answers; they just behave as if I am nuts.

We know, by observation, that the countries with the lowest birth rates are precisely those where people are secure in their homes, have health care, education, food and useful work. Many companies like Japan, Finland and others have birth rates below the replacement rate.

The world as of 2018, was consuming just shy of 600 exajoules of energy, dominated by growing amounts of dangerous fossil fuels. Coal, and not so called "renewable energy" has been the fastest growing source of energy on this planet in the 21st century.

The reason that people use dangerous fossil fuels is their high energy to mass ratio.

Were we to raise the energy efficiency of our energy systems, I have convinced myself, after many, many, many years of difficult study, that we could conceivably achieve human development goals on 600 exajoules of energy per year, perhaps even less. The laws of thermodynamics dictate - they cannot be repealed by a legislature or even a dictator - that the highest efficiency is achieved with the highest temperatures.

A caveat to high efficiency energy as a saving grace is Jevon's paradox, which must be addressed, perhaps by regulation.

The fuel with the highest energy densities, capable of running at the highest temperatures are all the actinides. We have mined (and in many cases discarded) enough uranium and thorium to supply all the world's energy needs for centuries to come. Uranium, in particular, is inexhaustible. We have accumulated prodigious amounts of plutonium, neptunium and americium. We have grown to hate the use of actinides on the left, and do so for highly irrational reasons, holding them to a standard of "safety" that we attach to no other form of energy. Seven million people each year die from combustion waste known as "air pollution" and still we are concerned about so called "nuclear waste" about which in general, very few opponents of it know a damned thing. The reality is that so called "nuclear waste" hasn't killed anyone for decades, and almost all of its components are valuable.

If we want a sustainable world - and I believe it is a crime against all future generations that we have done nothing effective to build one - 6 out of 7 of us can volunteer to commit suicide - which won't happen, everyone thinks they should be #7 who survives = or we can think.

Since we refuse to think and refuse to identify the six people who must be killed we have little hope of ethically building a sustainable world. Here in the US, we think the problem is Trump. Trump is a problem, one of the worst people ever to have held any power, but if we really, really, really, really want to find the culprits for this tragic outcome of the human condition, the best device for doing so would be a mirror.

roamer65

(36,747 posts)
11. Mother Nature, climate change or thermonuclear war is going to reduce the population.
Sat Aug 22, 2020, 01:12 PM
Aug 2020

One of them or a mix of them.

It’s coming. Deep down we all know it.

NNadir

(33,541 posts)
12. Choosing tragedy over reason is just that, a choice. None of the outcomes you blithely assert...
Sat Aug 22, 2020, 01:23 PM
Aug 2020

...will happen need happen.

I am a realist, but I am not a cynic.

NNadir

(33,541 posts)
20. Well, since for the first time in world history, the world culture is more or less homogeneous...
Sun Aug 23, 2020, 09:32 AM
Aug 2020

...why bother posting anything anywhere?

It's the end of the world, no?

Shouldn't you just give up and take up drinking or whatever it is that fatalists do.

The alternative, which I embrace, is to care about the future. I suspect that when cultures fall, it is because people don't care about the future.

 

marie999

(3,334 posts)
8. Unfortunately trump is not our biggest problem.
Fri Aug 21, 2020, 07:59 PM
Aug 2020

As bad as he is, he is not as bad as climate change. Yes, we need to vote him out of office, but I am not sure that we can do enough over the next 50 years to make life livable for humanity. No, climate change won't kill everyone, but it is going to make life worse than anything else has ever done.

Kaleva

(36,333 posts)
16. I believe the tipping point has already been passed.
Sat Aug 22, 2020, 04:01 PM
Aug 2020

The chance for addressing climate change passed several decades ago when the measures needed to be taken wouldn't have been that disruptive. Now, we need extreme measures and I don't believe humans, as a whole, have the stomach for that.

roamer65

(36,747 posts)
22. I would agree with you.
Mon Aug 24, 2020, 11:45 AM
Aug 2020

The extreme measures are coming. Mother Nature is not nice when she is pissed off.

Latest Discussions»Latest Breaking News»Record melt: Greenland lo...