Former DHS official says Trump offered pardons for carrying out illegal policies

[TomCADem]

Source: The Hill

Miles Taylor, the former Trump administration official who has endorsed Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden, claimed Tuesday that President Trump offered to pardon officials who broke the law while carrying out his immigration policy.

Taylor, a top official in the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) between 2017 and 2019, makes the allegations in a new advertisement released by the group Republican Voters Against Trump (RVAT). In it, he claims that Trump called for closing the U.S.-Mexico border and dismissed concerns about such a move violating the law.

“It was April of 2019. We were down at the border, and the president said to the senior leadership of the Homeland Security Department behind the scenes, we should not let anyone else into the United States,” Taylor said. “And even though he had been told on repeated occasions that the way he wanted to do it was illegal, his response was to say, ‘Do it. If you get in trouble, I'll pardon you.'"

Trump said, ‘I don’t care.’ His exact words were, ‘The bins are full,'" he said, adding that the exchange compelled him to resign from his post.

Read more: https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/513588-former-dhs-official-says-trump-offered-pardons-for-carrying-out

[soothsayer]

1. Now can we get rid of him?

Seriously, what does it take

[bluestarone]

2. YEA no kidding

This fucker CAN shoot and KILL anyone he wants to under his rules!!

[Nexus2]

19. Control of the Senate.

[soothsayer]

20. Got Russian assets in there. Can we get rid of them too?

[Lock him up.]

3. Another Impeachable Offence (What a Surprise!)

NOT!

RICO the tRump MOB
Soon over 180,000 victims: Enough!

[keithbvadu2]

4. As if Trump's word can be trusted...

As if Trump's word can be trusted...

[procon]

5. "The bins are full"?

What bins, the ones full of children who were forcibly kidnapped from their parents by Trump's goons? The bins loaded with immigrant families given no legal options for redress?

[Grins]

6. Yeah, but first...

You gotta get indicted.
Then arrested.
Then tried and convicted.
And then you appeal.

And all that could take longer than Trump (God save the Republic) has time in office.

Until that happy day comes along (if it ever does) you’re still fired, you have no income, in disgrace, family embarrassed, no one will hire you - and accepting that pardon confirms - you’re GUILTY!

Heckofajob! someone once said.

[SWBTATTReg]

7. I don't think pardons for illegal acts is allowable or acceptable. I seem to recall that came up

one time on DU, that pardoning for illegally sanctioned acts isn't recognizable or valid.

[Ligyron]

8. In order to even need or receive a pardon one must have been convicted of an illegal act(s).

Right?

[SWBTATTReg]

9. I would like to think you're right, but someone did tell me that although Nixon was pardoned, he

wasn't convicted of anything yet but was still pardoned by Ford. This was a source on DU (my encyclopedia at hand!).

[Ligyron]

10. Hell, trump has already pardoned or given clemency to 25 individuals.

Wait til his last day in office, there won't be a Republican left in prison.

[SWBTATTReg]

12. Yes, unfortunately I think you're right. And he'll do it in the worse way possible, pardon gobs of

murderers and worse too, in addition to all of the republicans already in jail.

He'll abuse the entire pardon process and make a mockery of the whole 'rule of law' scenario. The republicans will be ashamed to call themselves the Law and Order party afterwards.

[keithbvadu2]

13. Didn't elderBush pardon several of his henchmen for crimes not convicted?

Didn't elderBush pardon several of his henchmen for crimes not convicted?

[Ligyron]

16. I believe so and he had to.

Otherwise they might have drug him into the spotlight of justice regarding his involvement in that little caper. That he headed the CIA at one time explains a lot.

[bluestarone]

11. I was under the assumption that

tRUMP would be a co-conspirator? therefor NOT able to pardon? Maybe i'm wrong.

[hellno45]

14. when you give the prison master key to a criminal this is what happens. nt

[Mr. Ected]

15. Question for the constitutional scholars out there

Is a pardon irreversible? Can a pardon be revoked retroactively?

In other words, if Trump has issued a pardon, but is later indicted, tried and convicted of a crime related to the pardoned offense, in that Trump was a co-conspirator in committing the illegal act, is the pardon now off the table?

[cstanleytech]

22. Better question is would the pardons be valid at all?

After all it would be a case of the President being a party to the crime itself.
Also he would clearly be breaking his oath of office so you would think as soon as he breaks that in this case his pardon would be a violation of the Constitution and thus a pardon should be invalid.

[Evolve Dammit]

17. The quid pro quo just keeps quid pro quo'in. "The bins are full"? I'll pay your legal fees. HA!

The rubes are duped every day, every minute. They believe this lying con man, carnival barker, snake oil salesman and will do anything to assist and enable no matter how inane or illegal.

[Miguelito Loveless]

18. Taylor had hinted that others would come forward

So far, nothing. Or did I miss the rush? If no one else backs him up, he will be dismissed as a liar.

[cstanleytech]

21. I would think such pardons would be invalid if that happened since the President would be

one of the ones involved in the criminal activity personally and it would be a complete violation of his oath of office.

[onetexan]

23. You'd think so. I think the pardon should be done away with completely. Look how the Con has used it

to further enable corruption.

[cstanleytech]

24. Not to mention how Bush senior as well as his son used their powers to

cover for their crimes.

[onetexan]

26. Yes. Obama did pardon or commuted people convicted of crimes but whose punishment far outweighed

the crimes - e.g. life sentences for minor drug trafficking, etc. but NEVER used it to pardon anyone on his administration (note no one on his admin was charged/convicted of any such wrongdoing to begin with) or any other related to him in some way on a personal basis. That is proper adjudication of law and clemency, NOT corrupt abuse of the presidential pardon.

The problem here is the Republican presidents have weaponized and usurped this power because they've either had no conscience or their voice of conscience is so diminished it doesn't bother them.

[dalton99a]

25. Kick