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Omaha Steve

(99,703 posts)
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 11:09 AM Aug 2020

Harris: Nationwide mask mandate wouldn't carry punishment

Source: AP

By WILL WEISSERT

WASHINGTON (AP) — Democratic vice presidential candidate Sen. Kamala Harris said Friday “nobody’s going to be punished” if she and running mate Joe Biden implement the nationwide mask mandate they have called for during the coronavirus pandemic.

“It’s really a standard. I mean, nobody’s gonna be punished. Come on,” the California senator said, laughing off a question about how to enforce such a rule during an interview that aired Friday on NBC’s “Today.” “Nobody likes to wear a mask. This is a universal feeling. Right? So that’s not the point, ’Hey, let’s enjoy wearing masks.′ No.”

Harris suggested that, instead, the rule would be about “what we — as responsible people who love our neighbor — we have to just do that right now.”

“God willing, it won’t be forever,” she added.



Democratic vice presidential candidate Sen. Kamala Harris, D-Calif., speaks in Washington, Thursday, Aug. 27, 2020. (AP Photo/Carolyn Kaster)


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Harris: Nationwide mask mandate wouldn't carry punishment (Original Post) Omaha Steve Aug 2020 OP
They should have retail hours for no-maskers bucolic_frolic Aug 2020 #1
Agree. There are a lot of innovative ideas leaders could support IF they wanted to. mobeau69 Aug 2020 #2
if you could find workers willing to work.... dhill926 Aug 2020 #9
Maskless Wednesdays bucolic_frolic Aug 2020 #13
What about the people who have to serve them? Miguelito Loveless Aug 2020 #15
I would not shop in such a store (assuming you are serious!) colorado_ufo Aug 2020 #17
Last hour of shopping. Then workers can disinfect the place. oasis Aug 2020 #27
Hmmm...In my opinion it's the lack of punishment that has led to this total tRUMP mess! abqtommy Aug 2020 #3
Exactly. The lack of consequences will result in widespread non-compliance with the mandate. LonePirate Aug 2020 #4
I agree. Have to do community service or ? Peregrine Took Aug 2020 #12
Her answer didn't make sense to me. Raven123 Aug 2020 #5
+1 n/t Laelth Aug 2020 #6
This is an impossible tightrope to walk on apnu Aug 2020 #7
This virus has exposed American selfishness to the rest of the world... DSandra Aug 2020 #11
Agreed. apnu Aug 2020 #19
This is the perfect commonsense answer!!! cilla4progress Aug 2020 #8
This makes them mad Miguelito Loveless Aug 2020 #16
An American was hit by a huge fine in Calgary for COVID violations. Marcuse Aug 2020 #10
If your not going to suffer a consequence for not complying, old guy Aug 2020 #14
If you write tickets for no seat belts, then you should write tickets for no masks. roamer65 Aug 2020 #18
Point to the federal ticket that you get. Igel Aug 2020 #23
Exactly, there is no federal law, as it was not possible. Steelrolled Aug 2020 #24
Do we want to end the virus or just fuck around? Yeehah Aug 2020 #20
Add a Pandemic Credit line to income tax forms NotASurfer Aug 2020 #21
I never understood how there could be a federal law on mask wearing. Steelrolled Aug 2020 #22
The virus has a detrimental effect on interstate commerce Yeehah Aug 2020 #25
Seems to me to be under same catagory of seatbelts? bluestarone Aug 2020 #26
I think you are right Steelrolled Aug 2020 #28

bucolic_frolic

(43,258 posts)
13. Maskless Wednesdays
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 01:02 PM
Aug 2020

Hire a separate team of anti-maskers. They all want it so much. It's just giving the people what they want.

colorado_ufo

(5,737 posts)
17. I would not shop in such a store (assuming you are serious!)
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 01:39 PM
Aug 2020

That virus floats in the air for hours. If someone coughs or sneezes, it's worse. The store would have a hard time cleaning adequately, and all the poor workers would be at great risk.

No mask should = home delivery only, at an additional fee, or curbside delivery.

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
3. Hmmm...In my opinion it's the lack of punishment that has led to this total tRUMP mess!
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 11:33 AM
Aug 2020

But then I guess killing yourself and your neighbors is kind of a punishment...

LonePirate

(13,431 posts)
4. Exactly. The lack of consequences will result in widespread non-compliance with the mandate.
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 11:37 AM
Aug 2020

No consequences turns the mandate into an optional policy.

Peregrine Took

(7,417 posts)
12. I agree. Have to do community service or ?
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 12:27 PM
Aug 2020

There has to be some downside to endangering others. Maybe we mask wearers should admonish them like wear a mask that says "WEAR YOUR MASK!" "Masks save lives" "etc.

My husband and I are in our 70's and run everyday in the park. As the trail can be crowded we stay far away (as we can) from oncoming people but the dangerous ones are the ones who pass you going in the same direction and the bikes who pass closely. That's why you really can't afford to drop it down for a second unless its a rainy day and you're sure no one is going to be coming either ay within 6'.

We always wear our masks even though they are hot and now my face has broken out from the friction yet every freaking day we pass many people(including groups) mostly young, who look at us like we are idiots.

As we both have health issues (serious) we follow Dr Fauci's personal protocol:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/how-fauci-5-other-health-specialists-deal-with-covid-19-risks-in-their-everyday-lives/2020/07/02/d4665ed6-b6fb-11ea-a510-55bf26485c93_story.html

Raven123

(4,862 posts)
5. Her answer didn't make sense to me.
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 11:41 AM
Aug 2020

If it’s a mandate, you enforce it somehow.the question was a good one, and one For which she should have Had a better answer. Claiming it’s a standard simply muddies the issue. They are not equivalent. She and Joe need to get straight on this.

apnu

(8,758 posts)
7. This is an impossible tightrope to walk on
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 11:47 AM
Aug 2020

American selfishness makes it so.

Clearly mask wearing is the solution. But so many of our fellow Americans think they are special and deserve special treatment over all others.

Harris is trying to find a way to deal with both at the same time, which is impossible. Hence the "doesn't make sense" part.

DSandra

(999 posts)
11. This virus has exposed American selfishness to the rest of the world...
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 12:19 PM
Aug 2020

More than anything else.

American selfishness is why we have one party that thinks it’s ok to put your selfish interests over the health and welfare of society, and that it’s ok if some people die because of ones selfish actions.

cilla4progress

(24,760 posts)
8. This is the perfect commonsense answer!!!
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 11:49 AM
Aug 2020

We shun them. We shame them. We expose them as fools and bullies. We avoid them. We create a moral high ground, a social standard.

It"s futile to put resources into law enforcement over masks, and that's obvious, and a trap.

She's brilliant and exactly what we need.

God I love this woman more every day!!!
.
A keeper and a winner!!!

Miguelito Loveless

(4,470 posts)
16. This makes them mad
Fri Aug 28, 2020, 01:21 PM
Aug 2020

and they attack people.

There should be a federal law making it a felony for anyone attacking a person asking you to wear a mask, or refusing to serve you maskless.

Five years. No parole.

Igel

(35,350 posts)
23. Point to the federal ticket that you get.
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 01:56 PM
Aug 2020

If you don't have federal highway patrol officers writing out a ticket for the federal offense of not wearing a seatbelt then it raises the question why. It would be much more simple.

If you answer that question, then you're 95% of the way to understanding Harris'.

 

Steelrolled

(2,022 posts)
24. Exactly, there is no federal law, as it was not possible.
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 04:28 PM
Aug 2020

The federal government forced states to pass seat belt laws in order to receive highway funds.

Cuomo has made it clear, at least in his mind, that the federal government has no authority to impose a lock down over New York state, and would fight it in courts (he ordered the lock down himself). I think Biden won't be able to do more than issue guidance.

Yeehah

(4,589 posts)
20. Do we want to end the virus or just fuck around?
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 01:31 PM
Aug 2020

$300 fine first offense; $1000 after that. Put a lien on their fucking house if they don't pay.

NotASurfer

(2,153 posts)
21. Add a Pandemic Credit line to income tax forms
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 01:38 PM
Aug 2020

Yes/no checkbox to self-report compliance, attach receipt for mask purchase, credit on line if you check "yes"

Then when anti-maskers are ticketed for not wearing masks, it's tax fraud. You don't punish for refusing to mask up, but rather for cheating the IRS

 

Steelrolled

(2,022 posts)
22. I never understood how there could be a federal law on mask wearing.
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 01:51 PM
Aug 2020

The federal government could try to push the states into passing such laws, but that would probably be counterproductive.

 

Steelrolled

(2,022 posts)
28. I think you are right
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 10:51 PM
Aug 2020

but of course, there is no federal law on seat belts, however I think almost all states have them. For other things where the federal government has no authority, it has in the past required the states to pass their own laws to get highway funds. I think this was also done for the 55 mph speed limit, and the ban on alcohol for people under 21. It is like blackmail, but the states generally complied.

I think the same could be done with mask laws, but I think you would first have to pass the federal law (no easy task) and then you would have to give the states a fair amount of time to pass and implement their laws, so it might be 2022 for anything to really happen (only an issue for the states with no mask laws). Hopefully it is a moot point by then.

I was surprised to hear Kamala sort of laugh it off. I expect Joe will do some kind of symbolic executive order, at best.

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