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packman

(16,296 posts)
Sat Aug 29, 2020, 11:03 AM Aug 2020

Leonard Cohen's Estate Slams GOP For Using 'Hallelujah' At RNC

Source: Huffington Post

The estate of Leonard Cohen said on Friday it was considering legal action over the use of the Canadian singer's "Hallelujah" at the Republican National Convention (RNC), calling it a brazen attempt to politicize the song.

A recording of "Hallelujah" by Tori Kelly was played during a fireworks display on Thursday night that followed President Donald Trump's acceptance speech for the Republican nomination.

A second, more operatic version, was performed on camera by American tenor Christopher Macchio.

Cohen's estate said in a statement that it was "surprised and dismayed" the song had been used, saying it had specifically denied the RNC's request to do so.

Read more: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/leonard-cohen-hallelujah-rnc_n_5f4a6695c5b697186e36b7cc



They really don't give a shit any more about decorum nor have any degree of consciousness, they will do what they want regardless. That Nazi -like use of the White House and government landmarks sickened me and had too many echoes of Fascism in the 1930/40's.
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Leonard Cohen's Estate Slams GOP For Using 'Hallelujah' At RNC (Original Post) packman Aug 2020 OP
Sounds like a solid basis for legal action bucolic_frolic Aug 2020 #1
It depends... regnaD kciN Aug 2020 #18
Yep, as long as there is other people's money to spend on attorneys Under The Radar Aug 2020 #2
So what is the live artists obligation for receiving approval? exboyfil Aug 2020 #3
I wondered the same thing. kag Aug 2020 #15
what u said in your last few paragraphs . AllaN01Bear Aug 2020 #4
And this is why intellectual property laws are really important frazzled Aug 2020 #5
Oh yeah! Talk about profaning a beautiful song... PatrickforO Aug 2020 #6
So the Cohen estate is suing, right? ancianita Aug 2020 #7
That's my favorite song Polybius Aug 2020 #8
These Scumbag MFers SoFlaJet Aug 2020 #9
Well... regnaD kciN Aug 2020 #19
It's Closing Time (Might have been more appropriate for the RNC) - one of my favorite Cohen's packman Aug 2020 #10
Poor Trumpy! Seems all he's got left is Kid Rock, Ted Nugent and Lee Greenwood. Initech Aug 2020 #11
The Law & Order Gang stealing again. Looks like there are no Republican NCjack Aug 2020 #12
Can artists sue for this flagrant unauthorized use of their art? jstephenj Aug 2020 #13
Well, Reagan used "Born in the U.S.A." in his 1984 campaign ads... regnaD kciN Aug 2020 #20
I hope they will sue. This is the only language that they understand question everything Aug 2020 #14
Since it's a bitter song about losing out Warpy Aug 2020 #16
Yes, they seemed to be really deaf as far as lyrics are concerned. heckles65 Aug 2020 #17
Unfortunately, a lot of conservatives have turned it into one... regnaD kciN Aug 2020 #21

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
18. It depends...
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 03:25 AM
Aug 2020

...on how much control Cohen's estate has over his songs. In most cases, songwriters sell the rights to their songs to a publishing company in exchange for royalties, and the publishing house has full say over who they will allow to license the song (generally speaking, the only question they ask is "Did the check clear?" ). That's why, for example, The Beatles' "Revolution" wound up in a Nike ad, Sarah Palin's campaign used "Barracuda" despite the objections of the Wilson sisters, and John Fogerty's "Fortunate Son" got used in some sportswear or cologne ad (can't remember which) in which it was edited to make it sound like a flag-waving patriotic anthem.

Under The Radar

(3,404 posts)
2. Yep, as long as there is other people's money to spend on attorneys
Sat Aug 29, 2020, 11:07 AM
Aug 2020

...they will do what ever they want. With Bill Barr on their side, how can he be stopped?

exboyfil

(17,863 posts)
3. So what is the live artists obligation for receiving approval?
Sat Aug 29, 2020, 11:11 AM
Aug 2020

It seems Christopher Macchio might be in a bit of a pickle as well.

AllaN01Bear

(18,247 posts)
4. what u said in your last few paragraphs .
Sat Aug 29, 2020, 11:16 AM
Aug 2020

They really don't give a shit any more about decorum nor have any degree of consciousness, they will do what they want regardless. That Nazi -like use of the White House and government landmarks sickened me and had too many echoes of Fascism in the 1930/40's.

they never did nor they never will after trump.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
5. And this is why intellectual property laws are really important
Sat Aug 29, 2020, 12:02 PM
Aug 2020

If you don't want a tinpot dictator using your music and lyrics to promote their personal interests.
If you don't want some bathtub gin producer using your painting on their bottle label.
If you don't want your photograph screenprinted onto a Walmart t-shirt.
If you don't want your essay plagiarized in a First Lady's speech.

Now, some may say some of these examples are "fair use" (nonprofit educational purposes, though obviously not the gin bottle or t-shirt). But artists need to protect their work. Some take it too far (I'm talking to you, Disney), but for all the garden variety creatives, they are rightfully given discretion in perpetuity for the use of their works. Even if you bought a painting for $12 million, you are not allowed to use it in any way except for your own viewing without the artist's or estate's permission. That's why we have ARS (Artists' Rights Society) and ASCAP (American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers).

PatrickforO

(14,576 posts)
6. Oh yeah! Talk about profaning a beautiful song...
Sat Aug 29, 2020, 12:07 PM
Aug 2020

Funny how no really good artist wants anything to do with Trump and his minions. Leonard Cohen is one of my all time favorite poets and artists.

As an aside, I am 61 now, and the first time I heard "Dance me to the end of love," just recently, it moved me profoundly.

Polybius

(15,428 posts)
8. That's my favorite song
Sat Aug 29, 2020, 12:17 PM
Aug 2020

The most famous version is Jeff Buckley's in 1994. Pentatonix did an awesome version as well, in 2016.

SoFlaJet

(7,767 posts)
9. These Scumbag MFers
Sat Aug 29, 2020, 12:30 PM
Aug 2020

even have to STEAL artist's music. Every one of us musicians know the rules, you aren't allowed to broadcast sell or use an artist's work without their knowledge and /or permission. It's not like the RNC can't AFFORD to pay the Cohen Estate that which they are due, that is of course if they were to even GET permission to use one of Leonard's songs. They like to step Canadian artists's material; Neil Young is a Canadian by birth and so is Leonard Cohen.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
19. Well...
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 03:34 AM
Aug 2020
Every one of us musicians know the rules, you aren't allowed to broadcast sell or use an artist's work without their knowledge and /or permission.

...not quite. You're not allowed to broadcast, sell, or use an artist's work without written approval from whichever publishing house they sold it to, which nearly always involves paying a fee and nothing else. In the vast majority of cases, the artists themselves have no control over which people or groups are allowed to license their work, unless they're a big enough name to allow them the leverage to actually demand control/approval over which uses the song can be put to. And, frankly, at the time he wrote, and presumably sold the rights to, "Hallelujah," I very much doubt Cohen had that sort of leverage -- I mean, his own label refused to release the album it originally appeared on (famously, an executive at the label reportedly told him "We know you're great, Leonard, we just don't know if you're any good." ), and, for many years, that album was only available as an import from a small Canadian label.

Initech

(100,080 posts)
11. Poor Trumpy! Seems all he's got left is Kid Rock, Ted Nugent and Lee Greenwood.
Sat Aug 29, 2020, 12:41 PM
Aug 2020

I feel like "Stranglehold" and "Wang Dang Sweet Poontang" would be far more appropriate songs for this administration than "Hallelujah".

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
12. The Law & Order Gang stealing again. Looks like there are no Republican
Sat Aug 29, 2020, 01:00 PM
Aug 2020

song writers and singers willing to help Trump. Very swallow pool of talent or too cheap to give Trump the deal he wants -- no charge.

jstephenj

(51 posts)
13. Can artists sue for this flagrant unauthorized use of their art?
Sat Aug 29, 2020, 01:14 PM
Aug 2020
And if not, do you see artists banding together and making a legal case for this type of misuse in the future? I know Neil Young has made some noise of this recently, but I can't imagine someone like Bruce Springsteen would stand for something like this without mounting some form of recrimination.

It's so pathetic that the GOP feels the need to crib material from artists who are diametrically opposed to them. Couldn't they dip into Ted Nugent or Kid Rock's back catalog? Or perhaps the prolific work of talented christain christian rock musicians.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
20. Well, Reagan used "Born in the U.S.A." in his 1984 campaign ads...
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 03:36 AM
Aug 2020

...and all Springsteen was able to do was make snarky comments about it during his concerts.

question everything

(47,486 posts)
14. I hope they will sue. This is the only language that they understand
Sat Aug 29, 2020, 01:21 PM
Aug 2020

And, in contrast to Trump shady business deals, they will not be intimidates.

Warpy

(111,270 posts)
16. Since it's a bitter song about losing out
Sat Aug 29, 2020, 01:48 PM
Aug 2020

it sounds about right to me.

However, I hope they sue the bastards.

heckles65

(549 posts)
17. Yes, they seemed to be really deaf as far as lyrics are concerned.
Sat Aug 29, 2020, 02:20 PM
Aug 2020

"Born in the U.S.A." is not about mindless patriotism, but the inability of a Vietnam veteran to fit in to the country he returned to. "Hallelujah" is about the contrast between the ecstasy of sex and the bitterness of a breakup. It is not a religious celebration song.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
21. Unfortunately, a lot of conservatives have turned it into one...
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 03:39 AM
Aug 2020

I mean, there's a truly ludicrous music video from Lindsey Sterling (who I used to have some respect for), in which she turns an instrumental version of the song into a f***ing Christmas Carol, culminating with a spoken close in which she invites listeners to enter into a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Somehow, I don't think that's quite the kind of "relationship" Cohen was writing about...

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