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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Sat Oct 6, 2012, 12:41 AM Oct 2012

Traders See Signs Of Squeeze Behind L.A. Gasoline Spike

Source: Reuters

By Erwin Seba

HOUSTON, Oct 5 (Reuters) - The unprecedented surge in California's wholesale gasoline market this week has many hallmarks of a classic short squeeze, traders said on Friday, evoking a once common ploy in unregulated oil markets.

With the isolated West Coast gasoline market already reduced by refinery outages and a pipeline closure that had diminished stockpiles to near their lowest in over two decades, the pump was already primed for a rise in prices, especially as refiners prepare to switch to winter fuel production.

But industry sources who operate in the close-knit, fiercely competitive market say fundamental factors alone cannot explain the 97-cent surge in the premium for prompt-delivery CARBOB gasoline this week. Even in the notoriously volatile California market the spike was unprecedented, pushing retail prices to near a record high of nearly $5 a gallon.

Multiple trade sources say West Coast refiner Tesoro was caught short, forcing it to scramble to buy additional fuel from other companies in order to meet its commitments.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/06/gasoline-squeeze-idUSL1E8L5HZA20121006?type=marketsNews

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Traders See Signs Of Squeeze Behind L.A. Gasoline Spike (Original Post) Purveyor Oct 2012 OP
To everybody in California: Take a day off RobertEarl Oct 2012 #1
That is wonderful advice. I'd also like to see everyone take a month off of just one brand. olddad56 Oct 2012 #13
Enron again SoapBox Oct 2012 #2
I was thinking the same thing. dmr Oct 2012 #6
Kick IthinkThereforeIAM Oct 2012 #7
because of speculators/criminals/thieves who are allowed by congress nt msongs Oct 2012 #3
This is what happens when everyone talks about the rich Liberals here.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2012 #4
something's "Koch"ing...one part of a series of an October surprise. lexw Oct 2012 #5
Payback for this I suspect... allrevvedup Oct 2012 #8
No new refineries built since 1976 uwep Oct 2012 #9
Can't blame it on refineries or shortages. Gasoline is now the country's biggest export. PSPS Oct 2012 #11
That's a Big Oil talking point KamaAina Oct 2012 #16
The Koch............... SILVER__FOX52 Oct 2012 #10
Dickhead Cheney's Unknown Beatle Oct 2012 #12
Glad to see our elected Democratic officials right on that, too...! villager Oct 2012 #14
Refinery outages, pipeline closures, whatever. tdog8 Oct 2012 #15
This would be a good time for people to try out L.A.'s new, expanded transit system KamaAina Oct 2012 #17
My wife and I went out last night to the Westside Pavillion mall in Westwood to coalition_unwilling Oct 2012 #18
wait, what? shanti Oct 2012 #19
I don't think it goes over the actual Grapevine KamaAina Oct 2012 #20
thanks for the info shanti Oct 2012 #21
And yet the USA is EXPORTING 50% MORE oil than four years ago... Bandit Oct 2012 #22
rampant collusion and price fixing--they already know they can do it in California librechik Oct 2012 #23
 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
1. To everybody in California: Take a day off
Sat Oct 6, 2012, 12:59 AM
Oct 2012

If every car driver there took one day off from driving sometime this week, the supply will increase by 15% mol. Two days and its up to 30%.

Problem solved.

olddad56

(5,732 posts)
13. That is wonderful advice. I'd also like to see everyone take a month off of just one brand.
Sat Oct 6, 2012, 03:58 PM
Oct 2012

say maybe Chevron

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
4. This is what happens when everyone talks about the rich Liberals here....
Sat Oct 6, 2012, 02:18 AM
Oct 2012

....the guy who works at the car wash gets it in the neck.

lexw

(804 posts)
5. something's "Koch"ing...one part of a series of an October surprise.
Sat Oct 6, 2012, 02:20 AM
Oct 2012

Romney was out here (in California) a week or so b4 the debates.
The Koch brothers are disgusting people, and they do not want to lose this election.
...but I think they will.

 

allrevvedup

(408 posts)
8. Payback for this I suspect...
Sat Oct 6, 2012, 07:58 AM
Oct 2012
21:34:16: Obama: The oil industry gets $4 billion a year in corporate welfare. Basically, they get deductions that those small businesses that Governor Romney refers to, they don't get.

Now, does anybody think that ExxonMobil needs some extra money, when they're making money every time you go to the pump? Why wouldn't we want to eliminate that? Why wouldn't we eliminate tax breaks for corporate jets? My attitude is, if you got a corporate jet, you can probably afford to pay full freight, not get a special break for it.

http://www.policymic.com/articles/15792/presidential-debate-transcript-romney-wins-first-presidential-debate


Oil companies count on their benefits, too!

uwep

(108 posts)
9. No new refineries built since 1976
Sat Oct 6, 2012, 09:31 AM
Oct 2012

and they will only close refineries. I believe there was a refinery closed just recently in Northern California. Shouldn't the oil companies have to bear the cost of old equipment and pipes breaking down. Take it out of their ungodly profits or quit the corporate welfare.

As cars get more efficient these thugs will close refineries citing lack of demand.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
16. That's a Big Oil talking point
Sun Oct 7, 2012, 01:43 PM
Oct 2012

True, no new refineries have been built from scratch, but existing ones have been expanded many times over.

The Chevron refinery in Richmond (north of Oakland) closed temporarily due to a fire -- the first of several bizarre malfunctions at CA refineries. (Two power outages? Srsly?) Then there was the one that closed for maintenance -- right around the time of the autumn switchover...

tdog8

(28 posts)
15. Refinery outages, pipeline closures, whatever.
Sun Oct 7, 2012, 02:59 AM
Oct 2012

Oil companies are said to be making record profits.

I think the CEOs felt the need for new vacation homes and we're paying for them. We should definitely take a day off driving if possible. Using bicycles for short trips would be good for the air quality too.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
17. This would be a good time for people to try out L.A.'s new, expanded transit system
Sun Oct 7, 2012, 01:45 PM
Oct 2012

the new Gold Line goes out to Pasadena and East L.A., while Metrolink commuter rail serves nearly all of SoCal, even over the Grapevine.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
18. My wife and I went out last night to the Westside Pavillion mall in Westwood to
Sun Oct 7, 2012, 01:52 PM
Oct 2012

see a movie ("The Master," a new American tour de force). While driving there, we noticed that gas prices were approx. $4.75/gallon for lowest-octane. And that there seemed far fewer land yachts (like Escalades and Navigators) out on the streets.

Very strange. Mall was semi-deserted at 5:30 p.m.

FWIW, I drive a Nissan Sentra that gets 35 mpg, so only have to fill up once or twice a month. Last time I filled up it was at about $3.50/gallon! I'm guessing some of these land yachts now cost more than $100 per fill up.

librechik

(30,674 posts)
23. rampant collusion and price fixing--they already know they can do it in California
Mon Oct 8, 2012, 05:39 PM
Oct 2012

we'll all get it eventually. They arrange to take refineries "temporarily" offline. I used to work for a gas company, this is how they work it.

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