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Indyfan53

(473 posts)
Thu Sep 10, 2020, 03:26 PM Sep 2020

Wisconsin court sets up possible delay in absentee mailing

Source: NBC affiliate WTMJ in Milwaukee

MADISON, Wis. (AP) — The conservative-controlled Wisconsin Supreme Court has ordered that no absentee ballots be mailed until it gives the go-ahead or makes any future ruling about who should be on the ballot.

The order Thursday came in a lawsuit filed by Green Party presidential candidate Howie Hawkins who asked the state’s highest court to take up his challenge of a Wisconsin Elections Commission decision keeping him off the ballot.

Rapper Kanye West, in a separate case, is also trying to get on the ballot after the commission rejected him.

Municipal election clerks face a Sept. 17 deadline to mail ballots.

Read more: https://www.tmj4.com/news/election-2020/wisconsin-court-sets-up-possible-delay-in-absentee-mailing



Fuck the crooked state court, fuck the Green Party and fuck Kanye!

Mask up and vote early in person! The rethuglicans are doing everything to block absentee ballots!
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Wisconsin court sets up possible delay in absentee mailing (Original Post) Indyfan53 Sep 2020 OP
Well, shit. Lefta Dissenter Sep 2020 #1
Fill it out and drop it off as soon as you get it. Squinch Sep 2020 #3
What is she or he going to get? LisaL Sep 2020 #6
That's the plan, Squinch. Lefta Dissenter Sep 2020 #22
This is ridiculous that they are allowed to so obviously screw with YOUR vote! Squinch Sep 2020 #27
But who is going to be on the ballot when they vote in person? LisaL Sep 2020 #2
Riiiight? jorgevlorgan Sep 2020 #7
If anybody had any doubts the green party only wants to ratfuck America jorgevlorgan Sep 2020 #4
Wholly owned subsidiary of Reputin Party. dchill Sep 2020 #25
They can't win a fair fight. mac56 Sep 2020 #5
Here in PA, a Commonwealth Court judge forced their VP candidate off the ballot BumRushDaShow Sep 2020 #8
So sounds like Green Party is messing up and then suing? LisaL Sep 2020 #9
Sounds like they are flying by the seat of their pants BumRushDaShow Sep 2020 #10
Well, they are screwing up the election. LisaL Sep 2020 #11
That is my concern here in PA as well BumRushDaShow Sep 2020 #12
Well, just checked that Green party made it on the ballot in my state (OH) so LisaL Sep 2020 #18
My partner and I BonnieJW Sep 2020 #13
Good! Spread the word! Indyfan53 Sep 2020 #14
What ballots are going to be counted if you vote early in person? LisaL Sep 2020 #16
Your in person voting place still has to know who is on the ballot. LisaL Sep 2020 #15
I have only the greatest contempt for the Green party, its supporters and everything it represents. NurseJackie Sep 2020 #17
Play it out 'till December, Greenies! NBachers Sep 2020 #19
Greens and Kanye both failed to get on the WI ballot legally cp Sep 2020 #20
GOP corruption rockfordfile Sep 2020 #21
From the Dane County Clerk earlier today: Lefta Dissenter Sep 2020 #23
In other words, it's going to be a horrible mess. LisaL Sep 2020 #26
LOL RhodeIslandOne Sep 2020 #24

Lefta Dissenter

(6,622 posts)
1. Well, shit.
Thu Sep 10, 2020, 03:30 PM
Sep 2020

And a lot of ballots have already been printed. I don’t know what the cost will be if they have to print new ballots just to add one or both of those dopes on there.

UGH. I’ve been so looking forward to receiving my ballot.

Lefta Dissenter

(6,622 posts)
22. That's the plan, Squinch.
Thu Sep 10, 2020, 11:17 PM
Sep 2020

I’ll be dropping my folks’ ballots off in one municipality and my own in another... if we even receive them in order to fill them out! But our County Clerk was just talking about the risk his department had to take in going ahead with printing in order to have ballots ready to send out on the 17th, knowing that if one of the court cases goes wrong, he’ll have a helluva problem and expense in getting new ballots printed.

It’s so frustrating that this is caused by people just effing with the system.

Squinch

(50,955 posts)
27. This is ridiculous that they are allowed to so obviously screw with YOUR vote!
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 06:04 AM
Sep 2020

You know that if it doesn't get to you, you can fill out a provisional ballot at a polling place, right? Though, what an unnecessary pain. And a terrible hardship this year for the elderly.

I cannot wait till Joe is elected.

BumRushDaShow

(129,085 posts)
8. Here in PA, a Commonwealth Court judge forced their VP candidate off the ballot
Thu Sep 10, 2020, 04:00 PM
Sep 2020

after a court case against the Green Party ticket because they swapped out candidates after the filing deadline -

The Green Party’s presidential candidate can stay on the Pa. ballot, judge says, but his running mate gets the boot

by Chris Brennan, Updated: September 10, 2020- 1:07 PM


Green Party presidential candidate Howie Hawkins will remain on the Pennsylvania ballot, but his running mate Angela Walker must be removed, a state judge ruled late Wednesday. Commonwealth Court Judge J. Andrew Crompton delivered that split verdict in a legal challenge with close connections to the state Democratic Party. The challenge focused on problems with paperwork.

The Green Party on Aug. 3 filed nominating petitions for two candidates from Pennsylvania — Elizabeth Faye Scroggin for president and Neal Taylor Gale for vice president — but swapped them out a week later for Hawkins, a retired Teamster from New York, and Walker, a labor activist who drives a dump truck in South Carolina.

The party didn’t file a candidate affidavit for Gale as required by state law. Scroggin faxed her affidavit to the Pennsylvania Department of State by the deadline, but there was a delay in printing it. Larry Otter, an attorney for the Green Party, said the Democratic players in the legal case filed an appeal to the state Supreme Court on Thursday. Andrea Merida, a Hawkins campaign spokesperson, said it’s “clear that the Democrats are not interested in stating their case to the voters; instead they engage in party suppression, which is voter suppression, to get an edge.”

The challenge was filed by Pittsburgh attorney Clifford Levine, who has done legal work for the Pennsylvania Democratic Party. Levine’s clients are Paul Stefano, chair of the Lawrence County Democratic Party, and Tony Thomas, who ran as a Democrat for City Council in Wilkes-Barre last year. Asked if the state Democratic Party was backing the challenge, Levine this week said “They’re aware of it." The state Democratic Party did not respond to requests for comment.

https://www.inquirer.com/politics/clout/green-party-howie-hawkins-pennsylvania-ballot-challenge-20200910.html


As a note - in 2016, Hillary lost by about 44K votes and Stein got 49K votes (which was twice as much as she got in 2012 when she ran).

BumRushDaShow

(129,085 posts)
10. Sounds like they are flying by the seat of their pants
Thu Sep 10, 2020, 04:11 PM
Sep 2020

with no clear agenda (and perhaps without their Russian masters to boot, who have bigger fish to fry), so they are getting sloppy about how they put their ticket together.

All I care about at this point is to get my ballot and vote straight D (although nowadays we have to do that individually and no longer have a "straight ticket" option).

ETA - Just realized another reason for their dysfunction - many of their previous supporters have broken off to create yet another fantasy party - this time, the "People's Party". It's populated by the same old has-beens and some newly indoctrinated.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
11. Well, they are screwing up the election.
Thu Sep 10, 2020, 04:17 PM
Sep 2020

Like has been pointed out, the ballots are supposed to go out in a week. Now that might be delayed for who knows how long. Especially considering if allowed on the ballot, new ballots will have to be printed.

BumRushDaShow

(129,085 posts)
12. That is my concern here in PA as well
Thu Sep 10, 2020, 04:28 PM
Sep 2020

since we have vote-by-mail too (which I plan to do because I don't trust the ES&S machines), and I believe they are due to start going out to those who already requested and were approved for them, sometime "mid-September" (one news site indicated 9/14 - 9/19, which is next week). So if there is an issue with appeals in the courts regarding the Green Party nonsense, I am hoping it doesn't impact the ballot mailing. At least here, our State Supreme Court is majority Democrat (5 - 2).

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
18. Well, just checked that Green party made it on the ballot in my state (OH) so
Thu Sep 10, 2020, 06:10 PM
Sep 2020

at least they won't sue to get on the ballot.
Maybe they will sue to get off the ballot (J/k).

BonnieJW

(2,265 posts)
13. My partner and I
Thu Sep 10, 2020, 05:17 PM
Sep 2020

decided to vote early and in person. If turd wants to f up the mail, we will mask up and head over when the polling place opens and vote. The idiot opened a bigger can of worms

Indyfan53

(473 posts)
14. Good! Spread the word!
Thu Sep 10, 2020, 05:27 PM
Sep 2020

If we mask up and use the early voting days, we can safely make sure our ballots are counted.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
16. What ballots are going to be counted if you vote early in person?
Thu Sep 10, 2020, 05:38 PM
Sep 2020

There still has to be a ballot regardless of whether its absentee or in person, no?

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
17. I have only the greatest contempt for the Green party, its supporters and everything it represents.
Thu Sep 10, 2020, 05:51 PM
Sep 2020

Losers. Saboteurs.

Fuck Susan Sarandon.
Fuck Nina Turner.

May they all rot in hell.

cp

(6,634 posts)
20. Greens and Kanye both failed to get on the WI ballot legally
Thu Sep 10, 2020, 08:28 PM
Sep 2020

Wiconsin Election Commission ruled NO in both cases, for cause.
Now Court Formerly Known as Supreme is working for Dumpy.
Damn them.

Lefta Dissenter

(6,622 posts)
23. From the Dane County Clerk earlier today:
Thu Sep 10, 2020, 11:44 PM
Sep 2020

Scott McDonell, Dane County Clerk: “ Ballots have been and are being delivered to communities across Dane County as we speak. With 150,000 absentee requests on file as of today, there is no way we could meet the federal statutes to mail out absentee ballots on file next week at this point. This decision jeopardizes the right of overseas and military voters especially in light of the challenges we have seen with the US Postal Service.

If the Supreme Court were to change the ballot at this incredibly late time Dane County would have to:
-redesign the ballot (also in Spanish)
-burn new election media
-test the ballots
-print 500,000 new ballots
-package and sort the new ballots
-deliver the ballots

Then municipal clerks would have to:
-print labels
- sort the requests by ballot type
-stuff the envelopes
- mail them
Madison has close to 100,000 requests and was planning on working all weekend... For other large counties the situation will be pretty much the same as Dane.
This is potentially a huge disaster. Just the delay of a decision is deeply irresponsible and jeopardizes the integrity of our election.”

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
26. In other words, it's going to be a horrible mess.
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 04:17 AM
Sep 2020

Even requiring to stop mailing the ballots, like Wisconsin Supreme court did, is creating a mess.
If Wisconsin Supreme court was to request greens be added to the ballot, it's really going to create a disaster.

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