As Military Suicides Rise, Focus Is on Private Weapons
Source: new york times
With nearly half of all suicides in the military having been committed with privately owned firearms, the Pentagon and Congress are moving to establish policies intended to separate at-risk service members from their personal weapons.
Defense Department officials are developing a suicide prevention campaign that will encourage friends and families of potentially suicidal service members to safely store or voluntarily remove personal firearms from their homes.
This is not about authoritarian regulation, said Dr. Jonathan Woodson, the assistant secretary of defense for health affairs. It is about the spouse understanding warning signs and, if there are firearms in the home, responsibly separating the individual at risk from the firearm.
Dr. Woodson, who declined to provide details, said the campaign would also include measures to encourage service members, their friends and their relatives to remove possibly dangerous prescription drugs from the homes of potentially suicidal troops.
Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/08/us/with-military-suicides-rising-new-policies-take-shape.html?_r=1&
The News here is the Pentagon and Congress are actually starting to address the problem... And get rid of am obviously destructive law prohibiting the discussion of firearms.
What I would like to know is what Congressmen helped put in place in 2011, this stupid law that prevents counselors from discussing guns with suicidal troops? Why would the nra and Congress even care about that? I would also like to know if the suicide rate has increased since these 2011 don't ask policies have been in place, and if they have? Who's dumb idea was it in the first place?
I will start looking into this further, if anybody has any additional info, please post, thanks
Article on repealing from 2011: http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/nra-blocked-effort-prevent-military-s
Article about Congress inaction, also from 2011: http://thinkprogress.org/security/2011/11/07/362689/nra-military-suicides/
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)I suggest you post the original article from the New York Times with the original title.
As Military Suicides Rise, Focus Is on Private Weapons
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/08/us/with-military-suicides-rising-new-policies-take-shape.html?_r=0
Thanks, Nancy ( LBN Host)
trailmonkee
(2,681 posts)Out links to an msnbc article that matches the title of the post? Either way, I and out right now, buy when I get back to my laptop, ii will change per your recommendation
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)it is nice feel good theater, but that is it.
if the member lives in dorms or barracks, personal weapons are kept in the armory when not in use. In military family housing, they may be kept at home but must be registered with the military police unit (Canadian military has the exact same policy). If the person lives off base, there is nothing a commander can do about it. If you lie to your boss or commander about privately owned guns kept off the installation, no one can verify. No military judge or magistrate is going to sign a search order for something like that, nor should they.
truthisfreedom
(23,148 posts)PavePusher
(15,374 posts)HOW ABOUT SOME ACCESABLE FUCKING MENTAL HEALTH CARE AND FEWER DEPLOYMENTS, I.E. GET OUT OF THE WAR?!?!
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)TahitiNut
(71,611 posts)Sending the same people repeatedly to the hell of a war zone is FUCKING INSANE! The people of this country should be fucking ashamed!! "Oh, but they 'volunteered'!" Bullshit. Economic coercion! Broken promises. Betrayal of trust! "Not MY child!!" That's the most lily-livered, cowardly bullshit of all. "Involuntary servitude!" Horseshit! That trivializes the abomination of slavery!
The idea that "we" can wage wars and NOT share the burden is an abomination!!
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)Make everyone feel some sacrifice.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)talking about their issues so as not to lose their clearance.
Kolesar
(31,182 posts)Peace to them.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)Peace to all.
aikoaiko
(34,170 posts)he or she constitutes a danger to him or herself or others. See bolded section.
(a) IN GENERAL.Except as provided in subsection (c), the Secretary of Defense shall not prohibit, issue any requirement relating to, or collect or record any information relating to the
otherwise lawful acquisition, possession, ownership, carrying, or other use of a privately owned firearm, privately owned ammunition, or another privately owned weapon by a member of the Armed Forces or civilian employee of the Department of Defense on property that is not
(1) a military installation; or
(2) any other property that is owned or operated by the Department of Defense.
(b) EXISTING REGULATIONS AND RECORDS.
(1) REGULATIONS.Any regulation promulgated before the date of enactment of this Act shall have no force or effect to the extent that it requires conduct prohibited by this section.
(2) RECORDS.Not later than 90 days after the date of enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Defense shall destroy any record containing information described in subsection (a) that was collected before the date of enactment of this Act.
(c) RULE OF CONSTRUCTION.Subsection (a) shall not be construed to limit the authority of the Secretary of Defense to
(1) create or maintain records relating to, or regulate the possession, carrying, or other use of a firearm, ammunition, or other weapon by a member of the Armed Forces or civilian employee of the Department of Defense while
(A) engaged in official duties on behalf of the Department
of Defense; or
(B) wearing the uniform of an Armed Force; or
(2) create or maintain records relating to an investigation, prosecution, or adjudication of an alleged violation of law (including regulations not prohibited under subsection (a)), including matters related to whether a member of the Armed Forces constitutes a threat to the member or others.
(d) REVIEW.Not later than 180 days after the date of enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Defense shall
(1) conduct a comprehensive review of the privately owned weapons policy of the Department of Defense, including legal and policy issues regarding the regulation of privately owned firearms off of a military installation, as recommended by the Department of Defense Independent Review Related to Fort Hood; and
(2) submit to the Committee on Armed Services of the Senate and the Committee on Armed Services of the House of Representatives a report regarding the findings of and recommendations relating to the review conducted under paragraph
(1), including any recommendations for adjustments to the requirements under this section.
(e) MILITARY INSTALLATION DEFINED.In this section, the term military installation has the meaning given that term under section 2687(e)(1) of title 10, United States Code.
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-111publ383/pdf/PLAW-111publ383.pdf
jmowreader
(50,559 posts)If you live in the barracks, or are stationed overseas, your privately-owned weapons are stored in the arms room--and the commander has a complete list of everything in it including the cockroaches.
If you live in on-post family housing you must register all your guns with the Provost Marshal, and the commander gets a copy.
If you live in off-post, non-government-owned housing, you don't have to register--but very few troops are going to move off post just so they don't have to tell the CO what guns they have.
hack89
(39,171 posts)Para. 6.b(2) Unit Commanders will: Register the privately owned firearms of members of their command and their Family members. Commanders should not require off-post weapons to be stored on-post absent some threat concern (domestic, threats of violence against others, suicidal ideations, etc).
Para. 7.c(1) Registration Procedures: Military personnel will: Register all their privately owned firearms and the firearms of their family members that are stored in their residence or within the state of Kansas, with their unit commander on an FR Form 102 or an FR Form 102A.
jmowreader
(50,559 posts)I would not be surprised if every Army post has the same regulation now.
hack89
(39,171 posts)the Army has no business tracking private guns in off base houses.
bluedigger
(17,086 posts)You surrender many of your Constitutional rights as a member of the Armed Forces. That's why you are subject to a separate legal system (UCMJ). I don't see any reason why the 2A should be excepted.
hack89
(39,171 posts)but in every case it made sense from a military perspective. And the UMCJ still does provide most of the Constitutional rights all Americans enjoy.
bluedigger
(17,086 posts)Commanders have huge discretionary powers under that rubric, and (I would think) could easily defend their actions - but I'm sure it will have to be proven in court.
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)But some of them do become modified and more limited than in the Civilian world.
bluedigger
(17,086 posts)Call it a draw.
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)PavePusher
(15,374 posts)it was shut down pretty quickly, but this was a few years ago.
I'll try to find the info on it.
hack89
(39,171 posts)so I would imagine in 2009 or 2010.
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)From the OP