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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,201 posts)
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 04:11 PM Nov 2020

Cuomo threatens Trump with legal action over vaccine distribution plan

Source: New York Daily News

Gov. Cuomo repeated his threat to sue the Trump administration as he invoked Martin Luther King, Jr. during Sunday remarks about the COVID outbreak at historic Riverside Church in Manhattan.

“The Rev. Dr. King, who spoke in this magnificent church, said of all the forms of inequality, injustice in health is the most shocking and the most inhumane because it often results in physical death,” Cuomo said. “COVID proved Dr. King right.”

The governor went on to repeat his criticism of the Trump administration’s plans for distributing the coronavirus vaccine once it becomes available, saying that relying on hospitals and the private sector will perpetuate inequalities during the outbreak, which has affected communities of color at disproportionately high rates.

Cuomo called for community groups to be enlisted in vaccine distribution and elaborated on his previous threat to sue the feds if they don’t change their distribution plan. He said it would violate the Equal Protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, citing the 1982 Supreme Court case Plyler v. Doe.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/cuomo-threatens-trump-with-legal-action-over-vaccine-distribution-plan/ar-BB1b24Gp?ocid=DELLDHP&li=BBnbfcL

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Cuomo threatens Trump with legal action over vaccine distribution plan (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2020 OP
Gov Cuomo will Do IT! Cha Nov 2020 #1
How is Trump involved with the distribution of the Vaccine After Jan.20th katmondoo Nov 2020 #2
If HHS puts together contracts with certain entities that include stipulations BumRushDaShow Nov 2020 #3
Biden could then fire people in HHS over those "schedule for distribution" stipulations, too. ancianita Nov 2020 #4
Biden can remove the appointees BumRushDaShow Nov 2020 #5
I wonder if the Senate leader's nationwide harm, proven by Senate Dems as baseless and ancianita Nov 2020 #6
Unfortunately the power to discipline a member (by whatever degree) in the Legislature BumRushDaShow Nov 2020 #7
I realized that at the same time I realized I was tired. Thanks. ancianita Nov 2020 #9
If we managed to take over the Senate BumRushDaShow Nov 2020 #10
How they won't see helping their own people as being in their best re-election interests... ancianita Nov 2020 #11
I think back to when they started doing shots across the bow of their own BumRushDaShow Nov 2020 #12
Instructive examples, thanks. ancianita Nov 2020 #13
I have posted elsewhere that those type of people "admire the bully" BumRushDaShow Nov 2020 #14
Hah! Life imitated art, and who knew how much 'style' could sap the health and wealth of a nation. ancianita Nov 2020 #15
And interestingly enough BumRushDaShow Nov 2020 #16
The idea of having community groups being involved in the distribution Steelrolled Nov 2020 #8
County health units would be a good addition to just pharmacies and doc offices. moriah Nov 2020 #17
The grownups I was referring to were the people actually doing the vaccine distribution, Steelrolled Nov 2020 #18

BumRushDaShow

(129,472 posts)
3. If HHS puts together contracts with certain entities that include stipulations
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 05:03 PM
Nov 2020

like a "schedule for distribution" (say, a phased availability of product over a 6-month period and/or a non-proportional/non-population-based amount designated for states), where places like NY or other "blue states" are listed by the government to be near the end of the list's distribution time frame and/or end up with a smaller amount of doses per capita than "preferred" red states, etc), then that is something that could certainly cross over administrations if signed before and effective after January 20, 2021.

ancianita

(36,133 posts)
4. Biden could then fire people in HHS over those "schedule for distribution" stipulations, too.
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 11:41 PM
Nov 2020

There's no excuse they could give him that would justify preferential treatment.

If such contract documents exist, Cuomo's legal teams could take this to court before the Biden administration even begins.

BumRushDaShow

(129,472 posts)
5. Biden can remove the appointees
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 11:46 PM
Nov 2020

but then any new staff that come in might want to review any contracts that have been put in place (if any) for vaccine distribution.

One of the issues that has come up is a nightmare scenario of Turtle blocking every confirmation. That would be a last straw, IMHO, although it might require some Biden finesse to halt that kind of nonsense, being that Biden was essentially "born and raised" in the Senate, and knows all the ins and outs of it.

ancianita

(36,133 posts)
6. I wonder if the Senate leader's nationwide harm, proven by Senate Dems as baseless and
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 11:50 PM
Nov 2020

intentional, could be the basis of an impeachment of the Senate leader.

EDIT: Not impeached (man, I must be tired), but whatever can be done to him by vote. Since whatever he decides to do at this point -- especially shutting the government down -- is going to harm Republican senators up for re-election in '22.

BumRushDaShow

(129,472 posts)
7. Unfortunately the power to discipline a member (by whatever degree) in the Legislature
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 11:57 PM
Nov 2020

is controlled strictly by each chamber, so apparently the House cannot attempt to impeach a Senator but the Senate can discipline one of their own (censure, expel, etc).

ancianita

(36,133 posts)
9. I realized that at the same time I realized I was tired. Thanks.
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 08:52 PM
Nov 2020

You'd think I'd remember all the reading and discussing we've done about impeachment, but no.

I was hoping for expelling. I'll look that one up, since this McConnell's pattern of refusal is not even rational politically, just derelict.

BumRushDaShow

(129,472 posts)
10. If we managed to take over the Senate
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 08:53 PM
Nov 2020

we could initiate it... But just like impeachment, it's one of those things that requires 2/3rds (67) to do it and that is pretty near impossible.

BumRushDaShow

(129,472 posts)
12. I think back to when they started doing shots across the bow of their own
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 09:19 PM
Nov 2020

back in 2010, by threatening to and eventually carrying out the primarying of fhose considered "dissidents". E.g., people like Bob Bennett of UT, because they noticed that he wasn't insane enough. So that resulted in them putting up Mike Lee (and others) to run against him, and Lee ended up winning the primary to oust a senior Senator. Meanwhile Orrin Hatch saw what happened in his colleague's race so when it came time for his re-election bid, he went full-on loon. Hatch had already been one of the ones I called the "annoying Republicans", but this time his job was on the line, so he drank the koolaid and didn't stop drinking until he finally retired.

Similar happened to Lisa Murkowski in AK, where she was also primaried and nearly ousted from her seat during the general except that she carried out a massive write-in campaign that required that people who did write her in, needed to spell her name correctly or the vote would not count. And she managed to hang on.

So they have that battleax over them to conform or they're toast.

ancianita

(36,133 posts)
13. Instructive examples, thanks.
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 06:24 AM
Nov 2020

The battleax, a good term -- for protection racket politics -- on the voter end, the promise of special protections that never, ever come, with believers living the illusion of safety lest the battleax swing at them. The whole four years of "soon" talk is what their stealth vampirism is about.

Until Trump they'd run in the background as Lee Atwater, Mr. Reality by Consensus, used Reagan to dupe Americans into living Western myths.

Now 71 million call facts irrelevant, truth not truth, just left wing bias, covid patients deny unto death, Texans sit in food lines while their "representatives" in DC preserve the power of their story, and now their life and death.

Cuomo is right to go after the money that props them.

BumRushDaShow

(129,472 posts)
14. I have posted elsewhere that those type of people "admire the bully"
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 06:40 AM
Nov 2020

and prefer "style over substance". It's sad to think of it that way but that is what we are seeing - en masse.

I have given the perfect example when I posted about this before (the bully character "Biff" from "Back to the Future" ) and bizarrely enough, I was obviously spot on because the character WAS based on Trump (which I never knew...). I.e.,

From the original "Back to the Future" -



and the sequel -



ancianita

(36,133 posts)
15. Hah! Life imitated art, and who knew how much 'style' could sap the health and wealth of a nation.
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 06:55 AM
Nov 2020
Now they know. Yet cling to the glory of the story of their suffering.

BumRushDaShow

(129,472 posts)
16. And interestingly enough
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 07:40 AM
Nov 2020

(and I think I only saw that sequel film maybe once and I liked the first one better), that sequel established how Biff "cheated" to gain his wealth via the "plot device" of having been given fore-knowledge of the World Series winners from the '50s to the current film's time (and could then make millions from betting on those games).

The moral being that it belies the whole idea that they got where they were by being "self-made" and "through hard work", which is actually a lie. Yet they are admired and held up as some kind of legitimate entity who is worthy of emulaton.

 

Steelrolled

(2,022 posts)
8. The idea of having community groups being involved in the distribution
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 02:22 AM
Nov 2020

of the vaccine sounds insane to me. Trump is not directing the vaccine distribution, grown ups are. Let them do their job.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
17. County health units would be a good addition to just pharmacies and doc offices.
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 07:59 AM
Nov 2020

After all, at least in my state, when I was a kid we were too poor to get my shots in a doctor's office for school.

All of my school-required shots were obtained at the CHU, who also maintained the shot records for MMR/other school required vaccines.

And even though a child was the person who said New York wouldn't get doses, the "grown ups" who were supposed to be in control of the toddler that has rampaged through this White House the last nearly four years let him say it, as well as let him do lots of other things because really there ARE no "grown ups" in charge and won't be until Biden gets in.

 

Steelrolled

(2,022 posts)
18. The grownups I was referring to were the people actually doing the vaccine distribution,
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 03:50 PM
Nov 2020

not politicians. I've learned long ago that 99% of the stuff Trump says is meaningless. His threat against New York is part of that 99%.

I think I got most of my shots while at school. This was a long time ago. My recollection is that someone would come to the classroom door and tell the teacher they were ready, and we would line up in the hallway outside the nurses room, watching the kids who just got they shot holding their arms and walking back to the classroom. I clearly remember the smallpox vaccine, because it didn't hurt that much (a big relief).

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