Michael Flynn's Call For 'Martial Law' Comes Amid Violent Threats Over Trump Election Defeat
Source: Newsweek
Former national security adviser Michael Flynncontroversially pardoned by President Donald Trump last weekon Tuesday retweeted a call for the White House to declare martial law and re-run last month's presidential election.
The appealmade by the Ohio non-profit We The People Convention in a Washington Times advert Tuesdayurged the president to declare "limited martial law" in order to hold a new election.
The advert cited President Abraham Lincoln's suspension of Habeas Corpus during the Civil War as precedent, adding: "Then, as now, a President with courage and determination was needed to preserve the Union."
WTPC claimed the "threat to our United States by the international and domestic socialist/communist left is much more serious than anything Lincoln or our nation has faced in its historyincluding the civil war."
Read more: https://www.newsweek.com/michael-flynn-call-martial-law-comes-amid-violent-threats-trump-election-defeat-1551769
Zoonart
(11,879 posts)keithbvadu2
(36,930 posts)naviinsider
(8 posts)The published ad was also endorsed by the recently pardoned Michael Flynn, Trump lawyer Lin Wood and former Trump lawyer Sidney Powell.
Source: https://insiderpaper.com/michael-flynn-to-trump-invoke-martial-law-to-hold-new-election/
riversedge
(70,307 posts)still_one
(92,419 posts)would amount to
kysrsoze
(6,023 posts)dware
(12,449 posts)convene a Court Martial, and charge him with Sedition, and, if convicted, strip him of his rank right down to lowly Pvt., strip him of his retirement benefits, sentence him to life at Leavenworth.
grumpyduck
(6,265 posts)Marthe48
(17,035 posts)and 'we the people' should also be charged with sedition or whatever their traitor activity amounts to.
Is that really possible?
This should absolutely happen.
they should also rescind his Honorable Discharge and change it to a Dishonorable Discharge.
Talitha
(6,618 posts)sarge43
(28,945 posts)The Book should be dropped on him from a great height.
colorado_ufo
(5,737 posts)oasis
(49,410 posts)matt819
(10,749 posts)Sedition.
Go ahead. Mock me. Tell me Im dreaming.
Sorry folks. We are a nation of laws. One we stop enforcing those laws we are no longer a nation. We are just a rabble.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)dware
(12,449 posts)Danascot
(4,694 posts)se·di·tion
noun: sedition; plural noun: seditions
Conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch.
Is sedition a crime in the US?
Sedition is a serious felony punishable by fines and up to 20 years in prison and it refers to the act of inciting revolt or violence against a lawful authority with the goal of destroying or overthrowing it.
What is an example of sedition?
Words that inspire a revolution that overthrows the government are an example of sedition. The stirring up of discontent, resistance, or rebellion against the government in power. Organized incitement of rebellion or civil disorder against authority or the state, usually by speech or writing.
I'm not a legal anything but it looks to me like it checks all the boxes.
DENVERPOPS
(8,845 posts)an act of revolting against civil authority or an established Gov't.
C_U_L8R
(45,021 posts)These clowns love a junta.
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)depending on McConnel and Pelosi fast tracking impeachment and trial and removal.
flynn will be at the top of my list for treason and firing squad
Nitram
(22,890 posts)them all in jail. Flynn, especially, because his pardon didn't cover future offenses. That's why he's trying to revive the coup - he wants to prevent future charges against him in state courts.
dalton99a
(81,599 posts)Fucking traitors.
rurallib
(62,451 posts)Mike 03
(16,616 posts)Kurt von Schleicher used to prod Hitler into the position of Chancellor of Germany. His reasoning worked on President von Hindenburg and to some extent on Franz von Papen. They thought Hitler would compromise to form a coalition government, but he had no intention of compromising on anything.
von Schleicher regretted his mistake later, and was murdered by the SS during the Night of the Long Knives.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,368 posts)... calls for "martial law" in his target country.
Fixed.
area51
(11,922 posts)NoRoadUntravelled
(2,626 posts)Their last gasp before sinking back into the slime and darkness from which they came.
maxsolomon
(33,400 posts)Sorry to burst your bubble. Trump's restocked his war chest and will snipe from the sidelines for the next 4 years.
NoRoadUntravelled
(2,626 posts)set up living arrangements for him and his family in a country that doesn't have an extradition agreement with the US.
DENVERPOPS
(8,845 posts)that he may go after Iran, and use that as a reason to delay the inauguration..or worse......
NoRoadUntravelled
(2,626 posts)I'm no Constitutional Law expert but it seems he'd have a problem overriding the 20th Amendment for any reason. He doesn't really have any say in it.
http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/PROJECTS/FTRIALS/CONLAW/inaugurationconstit.html
jalan48
(13,888 posts)WTPC claimed the "threat to our United States by the international and domestic socialist/communist left is much more serious than anything Lincoln or our nation has faced in its historyincluding the civil war."
freepotter
(351 posts)I think the biggest problem that he'll run into if he attempts something this stupid is getting all of the states to go along with this idiocy. There are a bunch of idiot R governors out there, but not nearly enough to pull off something like this.
Lunabell
(6,111 posts)Do they really think the rank and file military will follow an unlawful order? These people are unhinged and need to be held accountable for their treason.
If we have to take it to the streets we will. Our freedom is too important.
maxsolomon
(33,400 posts)If the military did impose martial law, combined with Patriot Prayer/Proud Boy Death Squads and 24/7 RWNM demonization of any "Leftist" resistance, it would probably work. It usually does - see Belarus, Iran, etc.
Sancho
(9,070 posts)TomDaisy
(1,926 posts)bluestarone
(17,057 posts)marble falls
(57,254 posts)... a pro-slavery, non-secessionist Whig/Know-Nothing Party Governor of Kentucky was locked up in the aftermath of the suspension of Habeas Corpus.
Due process, facing accusers, being represented in a legal process are inalienable rights.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_Corpus_Suspension_Act_(1863)
"The Habeas Corpus Suspension, 12 Stat. 755 (1863), entitled An Act relating to Habeas Corpus, and regulating Judicial Proceedings in Certain Cases, was an Act of Congress that authorized the president of the United States to suspend the right of habeas corpus in response to the American Civil War and provided for the release of political prisoners. It began in the House of Representatives as an indemnity bill, introduced on December 5, 1862, releasing the president and his subordinates from any liability for having suspended habeas corpus without congressional approval.[1] The Senate amended the House's bill,[2] and the compromise reported out of the conference committee altered it to qualify the indemnity and to suspend habeas corpus on Congress's own authority.[3] Abraham Lincoln signed the bill into law on March 3, 1863, and suspended habeas corpus under the authority it granted him six months later. The suspension was partially lifted with the issuance of Proclamation 148 by Andrew Johnson,[4] and the Act became inoperative with the end of the Civil War. The exceptions to his Proclamation 148 were the States of Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas, and Texas, the District of Columbia, and the Territories of New Mexico and Arizona."
"The Act allowed the president to suspend the writ of habeas corpus so long as the Civil War was ongoing.[36] Normally, a judge would issue a writ of habeas corpus to compel a jailer to state the reason for holding a particular prisoner and, if the judge was not satisfied that the prisoner was being held lawfully, could release him. As a result of the Act, the jailer could now reply that a prisoner was held under the authority of the president and this response would suspend further proceedings in the case until the president lifted the suspension of habeas corpus or the Civil War ended.[36]
The Act also provided for the release of prisoners in a section originally authored by Maryland Congressman Henry May, who had been arrested without recourse to habeas in 1861, while serving in Congress.[22] It required the secretaries of State and War to provide the judges of the federal district and circuit courts with a list of every person who was held as a state or political prisoner and not as a prisoner of war wherever the federal courts were still operational.[37] If the secretaries did not include a prisoner on the list, the judge was ordered to free them.[38] If a grand jury failed to indict anyone on the list before the end of its session, that prisoner was to be released, so long as they took an oath of allegiance and swore that they would not aid the rebellion.[37] Judges could, if they concluded that the public safety required it, set bail before releasing such unindicted prisoners.[37] If the grand jury did indict a prisoner, that person could still be set free on bail if they were charged with a crime that in peacetime would ordinarily make them eligible for bail.[38] These provisions for those held as "political prisoners", as Henry May felt he had been, were first proposed by Congressman May in a bill in March 1862.[21]
The Act further restricted how and why military and civilian officials could be sued. Anyone acting in an official capacity could not be convicted for false arrest, false imprisonment, trespassing, or any crime related to a search and seizure; this applied to actions done under Lincoln's prior suspensions of habeas corpus as well as future ones.[39] If anyone brought a suit against a civilian or military official in any state court, or if state prosecutors went after them, the official could request that the trial instead take place in the (friendlier) federal court system.[40] Moreover, if the official won the case, they could collect double in damages from the plaintiff.[40] Any case could be appealed to the United States Supreme Court on a writ of error.[41] Any suits to be brought against civilian or military officials had to be brought within two years of the arrest or the passage of the Act, whichever was later.[42]"
"Aftermath
President Lincoln used the authority granted him under the Act on September 15, 1863, to suspend habeas corpus throughout the Union in any case involving prisoners of war, spies, traitors, or any member of the military.[43] He subsequently both suspended habeas corpus and imposed martial law in Kentucky on July 5, 1864.[44] An objection was made to the Act that it did not itself suspend the writ of habeas corpus but instead conferred that authority upon the president, and that the Act therefore violated the nondelegation doctrine prohibiting Congress from transferring its legislative authority, but no court adopted that view.[45] Andrew Johnson restored civilian courts to Kentucky in October, 1865,[46] and revoked the suspension of habeas corpus in states and territories that had not joined the rebellion on December 1 later that year.[47] At least one court had already ruled that the authority of the president to suspend the privilege of the writ had expired with the end of the rebellion a year and a half earlier.[48]
Photograph of Lambdin P. Milligan
Lambdin P. Milligan, one of those arrested while habeas corpus was suspended and tried by military commission
One of those arrested while habeas corpus was suspended was Lambdin P. Milligan. Milligan was arrested in Indiana on October 5, 1864, for conspiring with four others to steal weapons and invade Union prisoner-of-war camps to release Confederate prisoners. They were tried before a military tribunal, found guilty, and sentenced to hang. In ex parte Milligan, the United States Supreme Court held that the Habeas Corpus Suspension Act did not authorize military tribunals, that as a matter of constitutional law the suspension of habeas corpus did not itself authorize trial by military tribunals, and that neither the Act nor the laws of war permitted the imposition of martial law where civilian courts were open and operating unimpeded.[49]
The Court had earlier avoided the questions arising in ex parte Milligan regarding the Habeas Corpus Suspension Act in a case concerning former Congressman and Ohio Copperhead politician Clement Vallandigham. General Ambrose E. Burnside had him arrested in May 1863 claiming his anti-Lincoln and anti-war speeches continued to give aid to the enemy after his having been warned to cease doing so. Vallandigham was tried by a military tribunal and sentenced to two years in a military prison. Lincoln quickly commuted his sentence to banishment to the Confederacy. Vallandigham appealed his sentence, arguing that the Enrollment Act did not authorize his trial by a military tribunal rather than in ordinary civilian courts, that he was not ordinarily subject to court martial, and that General Burnside could not expand the jurisdiction of military courts on his own authority. The Supreme Court did not address the substance of Vallandigham's appeal, instead denying that it possessed the jurisdiction to review the proceedings of military tribunals upon a writ of habeas corpus without explicit congressional authorization.[50] Vallandigham was subsequently deported to the South where he turned himself in for arrest as a Union citizen behind enemy lines and was placed in a Confederate prison.[51]"
"Because all of the provisions of the Act referred to the Civil War, they were rendered inoperative with the conclusion of the war and no longer remain in effect. The Habeas Corpus Act of 1867 partially restored habeas corpus, extending federal habeas corpus protection to anyone "restrained of his or her liberty in violation of the constitution, or of any treaty or law of the United States", while continuing to deny habeas relief to anyone who had already been arrested for a military offense or for aiding the Confederacy.[52][53] The provisions for the release of prisoners were incorporated into the Civil Rights Act of 1871, which authorized the suspension of habeas corpus in order to break the Ku Klux Klan. Congress strengthened the protections for officials sued for actions arising from the suspension of habeas corpus in 1866[54] and 1867.[55][56] Its provisions were omitted from the Revised Statutes of the United States, the codification of federal legislation in effect as of 1873.[57]"
Warpy
(111,356 posts)Sue Zuckerberg into cleaning u[ his operation and if he doesn't, pull the plug. Then go to work on other propaganda outlets that push harebrained conspiracy theories and promote violence.
weissmam
(905 posts)is a disgrace and a traitor and belongs in jail, he betrayed every oath he ever took and anyone that listens to him is just as much a traitor
Someone should remind him that by accepting a pardon he is admitting guilt (that the way it works)
dware
(12,449 posts)1. The military recalls him to active duty.
2. The JAG charges him with Sedition.
3. A Court Martial is convened.
4. A trial is held.
5. Flynn is found Guilty of Sedition.
6. A sentence is handed down consisting of demotion to Pvt., loss of retirement benefits, and the maximum sentence imposed and confinement in Leavenworth Military Prison.
Evolve Dammit
(16,773 posts)Lulu KC
(2,574 posts)This is so craycray. No other word comes to mind.
panfluteman
(2,067 posts)Against Trump's persistent and repeated efforts to subvert American democracy. That's been the real Civil War!
marie999
(3,334 posts)does not have any effect on the election. There isn't anything in the Constitution that allows for there to be a new election.
SpankMe
(2,969 posts)Also, the guy's a retired three-star. I move for the Pentagon to remove his rank and cancel his pension. Such a high ranking retired member of the military should understand the context and gravity of this type of behavior.
iluvtennis
(19,876 posts)abakan
(1,819 posts)Shut the fuck up and crawl under a russian rock.
Bother us no more we neither want or need him.
LudwigPastorius
(9,178 posts)...a bunch of batshit-crazy, birthers who don't want to pay their income tax. Fortunately, the IRS got tired of their shit and revoked the organization's tax exempt status 10 years ago.
These Cheetoh dust-encrusted basement dwellers aren't going to do dick, even with the encouragement of tovarish Mikhail Flynnski.
patphil
(6,216 posts)That sounds like sedition to me. That's going to require another pardon.
Either that was the price Flynn had to pay to get Trump to pardon him, or there is something really big buried out there that has Flynn scared enough to ask the President to overthrow the government to keep hidden.
I think Biden's Attorney General is going to be very busy next year.
Mc Mike
(9,115 posts)but these new firing squads sound intriguing, also.
generalbetrayus
(507 posts)Delphinus
(11,840 posts)This is ridiculous!
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)jgmiller
(395 posts)but isn't there something in the military code of conduct that would allow them to court martial him anyway since he was a general officer?
I'm joking but also hoping there is something crazy in there.
Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)The people he can probably hurt the most haven't removed him yet.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,771 posts)exposed and denounced in articles under 36 point headlines. Anything less as anti-American and makes the press complicit.
lanlady
(7,135 posts)As a still relatively young retired 3-star who once headed up DIA, he could have carved out for himself a richly remunerated second career as a top-drawer consultant on the Beltway Bandit circuit. Or started his own company to rake in multi-million dollar defense/security/intel contracts. Instead, he threw in his lot with Donald Trump and hit the self-destruct button. Now he's playing with sedition. I don't know how he lives with himself. I hope there's a mechanism at the Pentagon to strip him of his stars and generous retirement package. Maybe that'll knock some sense into him, at last.