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Lovegan

(59 posts)
Tue Jan 26, 2021, 01:40 PM Jan 2021

Indian court rules that groping without removing clothes is not sexual assault

Source: CNN

A court in India has ruled that groping a child through their clothing does not constitute sexual assault, drawing outrage across the country and frustrating campaigners battling to address widespread sexual abuse against women and children.

In a judgment last week, Bombay High Court judge Pushpa Ganediwala found that a 39-year-old man was not guilty of sexually assaulting a 12-year-old girl as he had not removed her clothes, meaning there was no skin-on-skin contact.

According to court documents, the man brought the child to his house on the pretext of giving her guava in December 2016. While there, he touched her chest and tried to remove her underwear, according to the judgment. He was found guilty of sexual assault and sentenced to three years in prison in a lower court, but then appealed to the High Court.

In her judgment on January 19, Justice Ganediwala found that his act "would not fall in the definition of 'sexual assault,'" which carries a minimum three year prison term which can be extended to five years.
"Considering the stringent nature of punishment provided for the offense, in the opinion of this court, stricter proof and serious allegations are required," she wrote. India's Protection of Children From Sexual Offenses Act 2012 does not explicitly state that skin-on-skin contact is needed to constitute the crime of sexual assault.




Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/26/asia/india-sexual-assault-intl-hnk/index.html

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Indian court rules that groping without removing clothes is not sexual assault (Original Post) Lovegan Jan 2021 OP
WTF?! sakabatou Jan 2021 #1
I have no words. CrispyQ Jan 2021 #2
A female judge Pantagruel Jan 2021 #3
JFC 12 years old. Sick. 58Sunliner Jan 2021 #4
So if a rapist wore a condom it's not rape? That is a SICK ruling. SunSeeker Jan 2021 #5
Excellent point! Talitha Jan 2021 #17
Interesting ruling. Laelth Jan 2021 #6
I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that not a single member of that court PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2021 #7
The judge who issued the ruling is a woman Jose Garcia Jan 2021 #8
Oh, dear lord. PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2021 #20
The court opinion was written by a woman Massacure Jan 2021 #9
Well, some women do support patriarchal rules, actions etc electric_blue68 Jan 2021 #10
"...and tried to remove her underwear..." Wednesdays Jan 2021 #11
So... then if in response wcollar Jan 2021 #12
Dream on! Patriarchy rules-some women are complicit. niyad Jan 2021 #13
I think that I am going to be ill. niyad Jan 2021 #14
He tried to remove her clothes for Shiva's sakes! His intent was skin on skin contact ... marble falls Jan 2021 #15
Ah, the Dershowitz Rule. It's OK if you keep your drawers on. Midnight Writer Jan 2021 #16
That is so fucked up. LudwigPastorius Jan 2021 #18
The judge is also a Guardian Judge of Family Court. Unbelievable. Judi Lynn Jan 2021 #19
Sounds like a judge Turbineguy Jan 2021 #21
I'm curious. Does this mean that anyone can grope anyone else in India anytime they feel like it Nitram Jan 2021 #22
Why do people assume that everyone shares the same western values? Mosby Jan 2021 #23
This ain't got shit to do with Western Values! AllTooEasy Jan 2021 #24
Justice Ganediwala thinks it's fine. Mosby Jan 2021 #25
Who gives a shit. There have been judges in the US that have let Sexual assaulters off without JI7 Jan 2021 #27
Yep! This is all about "Some people are just fucked up in the head!" AllTooEasy Jan 2021 #28
India does have a problem with the culture being very anti female but to dismiss it JI7 Jan 2021 #29
This has nothing to do with "western values" . This is about sexual assault JI7 Jan 2021 #26
Rapists, you're doing it all wrong. milestogo Jan 2021 #30

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
6. Interesting ruling.
Tue Jan 26, 2021, 01:51 PM
Jan 2021

Sounds like the Judge didn’t actually believe that the defendant committed the act in question.

It’s probably not her job to re-hear the facts of the case, but she chose to impose the lesser penalty, instead, by carving out a specific “clarification” of the existing law that could set a dangerous precedent. I wonder if the State will appeal this ruling.



-Laelth

Massacure

(7,525 posts)
9. The court opinion was written by a woman
Tue Jan 26, 2021, 02:01 PM
Jan 2021

The court's opinion was written by a woman, though I'm not familiar enough with India's judicial system to know if she was a lone judge or part of a panel who heard the case.

wcollar

(176 posts)
12. So... then if in response
Tue Jan 26, 2021, 02:15 PM
Jan 2021

the "non assaulted' woman kicks him in the groin repeatedly as long as she does so through his pants, it's not assault on her part either?

marble falls

(57,112 posts)
15. He tried to remove her clothes for Shiva's sakes! His intent was skin on skin contact ...
Tue Jan 26, 2021, 02:52 PM
Jan 2021

Time to fix that law.

Nitram

(22,822 posts)
22. I'm curious. Does this mean that anyone can grope anyone else in India anytime they feel like it
Tue Jan 26, 2021, 06:37 PM
Jan 2021

as long as they have clothes on? Can they grope Indian legislators and judges without repercussion? He "tried to remove her underwear" but that was not considered sexual assault. Something is rotten in the state of India.

AllTooEasy

(1,260 posts)
24. This ain't got shit to do with Western Values!
Tue Jan 26, 2021, 07:28 PM
Jan 2021

Last edited Thu Jan 28, 2021, 03:49 AM - Edit history (1)

I know 100s of people in Asia. I lived in Malaysia for 2 years, Japan for another, and visited 10 Asia countries. I have multiple friends in the US who were born in South Asia (India, Pakistan, Bangladesh) and NONE of them believe that this kind of behavior is appropriate or non-criminal.

Mosby

(16,319 posts)
25. Justice Ganediwala thinks it's fine.
Tue Jan 26, 2021, 07:45 PM
Jan 2021

Pushpa Virendra Ganediwala (born 11 March 1969) is a sitting judge of the Bombay High Court in Maharashtra, India.[1] She has adjudicated a number of cases concerning the ongoing Covid-19 pandemic in India. In 2021, Ganediwala was the subject of public criticism after she established a new legal interpretation of the Prevention of Child Sexual Offences Act, holding that the Act only prohibited "skin to skin" contact and did not penalise sexual assaults that happened over or through clothing.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pushpa_Virendra_Ganediwala

Thats what the Judge thinks, your friends notwithstanding.

JI7

(89,252 posts)
27. Who gives a shit. There have been judges in the US that have let Sexual assaulters off without
Wed Jan 27, 2021, 01:53 AM
Jan 2021

punishment.

AllTooEasy

(1,260 posts)
28. Yep! This is all about "Some people are just fucked up in the head!"
Thu Jan 28, 2021, 03:50 AM
Jan 2021

Which is a global phenomenon.

JI7

(89,252 posts)
29. India does have a problem with the culture being very anti female but to dismiss it
Thu Jan 28, 2021, 09:18 AM
Jan 2021

as that poster did is BS.

Most cultures have something fucked up and just because it's culture doesn't make it ok.

In the US racism is a huge part of our culture and to just say it's a US thing would be fucked up also.

JI7

(89,252 posts)
26. This has nothing to do with "western values" . This is about sexual assault
Wed Jan 27, 2021, 01:52 AM
Jan 2021

India has high level of misogyny and this includes women .

We have seen it at times in the US also when rapists are let out without any punishment. And support for Trump .

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