Senate rejects GOP motion to dismiss Trump impeachment trial
Source: AP
By LISA MASCARO and MARY CLARE JALONICK
WASHINGTON (AP) The Senate has rejected a Republican attempt to dismiss Donald Trumps historic second impeachment trial, a vote that allows the case on incitement of insurrection to move forward but also foreshadows that there may not be enough votes to convict him.
The 55-45 procedural vote to set aside an objection from Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul puts the Senate on record as declaring the proceedings constitutional and means the trial on Trumps impeachment, the first ever of a former president, will begin as scheduled the week of Feb. 8. The House impeached him two weeks ago for inciting deadly riots in the Capitol on Jan. 6 when he told his supporters to fight like hell to overturn his election defeat.
At the same time, it shows it is unlikely there will be enough votes for conviction, which requires the support of all Democrats and 17 Republicans, or two-thirds of the Senate. While most Republicans criticized Trump shortly after the attack, many of them have rushed to defend him in the trial, showing the former presidents enduring sway over the GOP.
If more than 34 Republicans vote against the constitutionality of the proceeding, the whole things dead on arrival, Paul said shortly before the vote. Paul said Democrats probably should rest their case and present no case at all.
In this image from video, Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., the president pro tempore of the Senate, who is presiding over the impeachment trial of former President Donald Trump, swears in members of the Senate for the impeachment trial at the U.S. Capitol in Washington, Tuesday, Jan. 26, 2021. (Senate Television via AP)
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bearsfootball516
(6,377 posts)Good luck convincing 12 more Republicans over the next couple weeks to vote for conviction.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Zoonart
(11,870 posts)More will be revealed between now and Feb. 9th. Indictments are supposedly coming in this week for the most egregious acts by the mob.
still_one
(92,242 posts)will be for the American public to see exactly what happened, and what the Republican Party really is
SunSeeker
(51,574 posts)still_one
(92,242 posts)SunSeeker
(51,574 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)They are afraid of this trial for very good reason.
still_one
(92,242 posts)Lucky Luciano
(11,257 posts)FLORENCE, Colorado (The Borowitz Report)The convicted drug lord known as El Chapo said on Thursday that he was outraged his 2019 trial had included witnesses. He also revealed that he was demanding a new trial without them.
Speaking from ADX Florence, a maximum-security facility in Colorado, the former drug kingpin complained that his trial would have resulted in a speedy acquittal had it not been for the irritating presence of witnesses.
If I had to point to one reason why I was convicted of all of those crimes, it would have to be witnesses, he said. Once the decision was made to include witnesses, things really went downhill for me.
El Chapo said that, at the time of his trial, he had been totally unaware that it was possible to have a trial without any witnesses at all.
I didnt know that was a thing, he said. If someone had told me that you could have a witness-free trial, thats the route I would have gone, for sure.
The former criminal mastermind said that he was now actively seeking a new trial without witnesses because, in his opinion, witnesses ruin everything.
For the good of the country, its time to move on, he said.
still_one
(92,242 posts)Brown Feather
(71 posts)Trying to convince 12 more RETUGS is only eating time, time much better devoted to the economy and COVID relief. Toss the Orange Meanace off to the DOJ to deal with!
aggiesal
(8,919 posts)could hear the case.
He committed crimes as a pResident and was impeached while pResident.
This is a Congressional matter.
What the case has to lay out that Pendejo45 conspired to other turn the election and
if there is some evidence that the WH or campaign directly communicated and financially supported
the insurgents, 12 more Senators should be easily swayed.
Or their constituents will force them to sway towards conviction.
FreepFryer
(7,077 posts)Zorro
(15,740 posts)They're damned if they do, and damned if they don't.
Time to get them on the record on whether they support democracy or fascism. (Although we already know the answer to that.)
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Or you could state it inversely; damned either way.
AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)the real problem is the hidden fascist agenda of Putin's government: sponsoring all the crazy social media conspiracy theories and anti-Democratic crap that is stirring up the Trumpist idiots, plus the influx of dark money that is undoubtedly supporting GOP campaign efforts. Republicans are clinging to this Putin-sponsored lifeboat in a last ditch effort to save their party, sinking the US in the process.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)FreepFryer
(7,077 posts)They are very wrong. The Dred Scott party is fucked.
mackdaddy
(1,527 posts)Good to Know.
So Basically there is NO impeachment of a president during those last weeks.
Fuck them.
cstanleytech
(26,299 posts)Then assuming they want to secretly get rid of him they can simply have enough of the ones that voted not to proceed to boycott the trial.
That then lowers the number of total senators present to vote to reach the 2/3 that is needed to convict.
sakabatou
(42,159 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,196 posts)Lock him up.
(6,934 posts)torius
(1,652 posts)and the election was free and fair. We know that won't happen, since he knows there will be no repercussions no matter what, but how nice it would be.
secondwind
(16,903 posts)unless we can convict him in the Senate, he will want to run again in four years...
I have high hopes that NYS will take care of this problem, with the 67 indictments that Letitia James has waiting for him in SDNY.
theneworiginal
(302 posts)his central role in the Insurrection, murder and related charges?
Simply focusing on Impeachment is giving tRump a pass right out of the gate. He deserves no quarter. This was the biggest crime ever committed against our democracy. Period. He Cruz and the rest of the pols who coordinated this should stand trial in a criminal court for their roles.
no_hypocrisy
(46,130 posts)A) You can't impeach and try a President while s/he's in office b/c s/he is busy running the country. It would be distracting.
B) You can't impeach and try a President AFTER s/he's been in office b/c it's too late. S/he can't be removed from office.
So, IOW, you can't impeach a Republican President at any time.
But it's ALWAYS a good time to impeach a Democrat in the WH.
ConstanceCee
(314 posts)Do we know who voted yes? I want to send thank you notes.
sweetloukillbot
(11,030 posts)Native
(5,942 posts)riversedge
(70,245 posts)The 5 GOP votes were: Collins, Murkowski, Romney, Toomey, Sasse
That is, the votes thought to most be in play. No surprises.
Link to tweet
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Mr. Sparkle
(2,935 posts)you couldn't make this shit up. The level of corruption and moral bankruptcy is off the scale. And Rand knows full well what's he is doing. Through this vote he is applying pressure on the republicans to acquit trump in a few weeks time.
FSogol
(45,491 posts)flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)riversedge
(70,245 posts)Nitram
(22,822 posts)that's what he'd like to see. We Democrats, on the other hand, want that evidence laid out plain for all to see. History will judge the traitorous Republicans who value their party more than our democracy.
cstanleytech
(26,299 posts)If most of the Republicans want him gone they can rig the trial to convict him simply by having enough of his supposed supporters boycott the trial.
That reduces the number of total Senators needed to get the 2/3 vote.
That way it makes it harder for Trump to attack many of them.
flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)cstanleytech
(26,299 posts)like 28 to 34 that have to not attend.
Best way to probably do that is for 4 to 7 to use COVID as an excuse and needing to quarantine for 2 weeks.
The rest can then use the excuse of boycotting that its because its not the full Senate and thus the trial should be delayed or simply point to their vote here as an excuse and claim its in protest against the Democrats.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)to convict later. Lots of theatre going on with this initial vote.
keithbvadu2
(36,829 posts)Dyedinthewoolliberal
(15,579 posts)given it appears your party is comprised of people without backbones, even if the trial doesn't result in conviction it will result in every Senator's vote being recorded. Thereby recording for posterity the absolute abhorrent dereliction of duty by the Republican members of the Senate. This should help speed along the death of your 'party before country' political organization. I'll not shed tears.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)mind after the evidence is presented - and not get screamed at by their constituents beforehand
Shermann
(7,423 posts)I realize they have no jurisdiction over the impeachment outcome itself.
But is there any way to get them to weight in on this specific question beforehand?
That would be interesting. They don't have the luxury of spouting talking points. They would have to come up with some legal justification that is at least plausible.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)Shermann
(7,423 posts)Can't they just ask them? That would be all they need.
I'd love to see what Rand Paul has to say after his talking point is taken away.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)and the court finds the Democrat has standing to challenge the question it won't come before the court.
FBaggins
(26,748 posts)If he's convicted and tried to challenge it in court, his sole argument (at least the only one I can think of) must be that the Senate lacks the power to try an ex-president - and thus the results are illegitimate.
It's likely that such a case would be thrown out as being a political question outside the purview of the courts.
Your obvious goal is a good one. Get Republicans on the record as for/against disqualification without the excuse of saying they're just voting to acquit because they lack the constitutional authority to convict. Unfortunately, SCOTUS doesn't make advisory opinions (the constitution doesn't allow it), and once the vote to convict fails... there is no appeal.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)of someone no longer in office to be constitutional.
mdbl
(4,973 posts)they are a bunch of lying fucking hypocrites. They don't defend the constitution, they hate democracy, they follow a suck dictator and are just worthless human beings in it for themselves.
LudwigPastorius
(9,155 posts)ahimsa
(426 posts).. recuse themselves rather than take part in something they deem unconstitutional?
question everything
(47,487 posts)Pennsylvania Sen. Pat Toomey was one of the five Republican senators joining with Democrats in opposing the dismissal. He was joined by Mitt Romney, Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski and Ben Sasse. All have previously expressed openness to the House impeachment effort.
https://www.mcall.com/news/pennsylvania/capitol-ideas/mc-nws-pa-pat-toomey-senate-trump-trial-20210126-za2uqkxgknbpzj5ai2hl7upuxi-story.html