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Judi Lynn

(160,614 posts)
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 04:52 AM Feb 2021

Jeffrey Epstein's ex-girlfriend blames arrest on his death

Source: Associated Press


LARRY NEUMEISTER,
Associated Press
Feb. 5, 2021
Updated: Feb. 5, 2021 1:27 a.m.

NEW YORK (AP) — Financier Jeffrey Epstein's ex-girlfriend claims she is being prosecuted on sex abuse charges that could put her in prison for life because Epstein killed himself and prosecutors wanted a substitute to replace him with, lawyers said in newly unsealed court papers.

Ghislaine Maxwell's lawyers challenged the case brought against their client last July on multiple grounds in papers filed last week and unsealed on Thursday with some redactions.

“One does not need to engage in complex analysis to understand what has happened here: the government has sought to substitute our client for Jeffrey Epstein, even if it means stretching — and ultimately exceeding — the bounds of the law,” the lawyers wrote in the Manhattan federal court documents.

“The government’s sudden zeal to prosecute Ms. Maxwell for alleged conduct with Epstein in the 1990s — conduct for which the government never even charged Epstein — follows a history that is both highly unusual and deeply troubling," they added.

Read more: https://www.chron.com/news/article/Jeffrey-Epstein-s-ex-girlfriend-blames-arrest-on-15926763.php



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Jeffrey Epstein's ex-girlfriend blames arrest on his death (Original Post) Judi Lynn Feb 2021 OP
I think... Mike Nelson Feb 2021 #1
What about the things she did? ret5hd Feb 2021 #7
Well, that explains the story all safeinOhio Feb 2021 #2
Plausible, but Maxwell has a credible case to answer even if her claim is true. Eugene Feb 2021 #3
The fight started when they hit me back... nt Xipe Totec Feb 2021 #4
Another horrible ambiguous headline... NurseJackie Feb 2021 #5
Thank you! It gets ridiculous sometimes, trying to figure out what these headlines mean. TheRickles Feb 2021 #9
"blames X on Y" never means "X caused Y", it always means "Y caused X" muriel_volestrangler Feb 2021 #10
Okay. NurseJackie Feb 2021 #11
It is a claim made by those who administered the Nazi death camps. They were not Ford_Prefect Feb 2021 #6
Many of the victims have said that they were recruited by Ghislaine Maxwell csziggy Feb 2021 #18
I think that the timing of her complaint is interesting since it comes at a point where Ford_Prefect Feb 2021 #19
The timing is suspect, considering that Trump's con game is pretty much up csziggy Feb 2021 #20
A lawyer signed off on a habeas corpus shell game? bucolic_frolic Feb 2021 #8
Too bad her ex was a coward! Wawannabe Feb 2021 #12
Yeah, "English aristocrats" sometimes need a gravy train... 2Gingersnaps Feb 2021 #13
They weren't gonna let Ghislaine go just because they got Epstein localroger Feb 2021 #14
Guess she figures she needs to get in a little "Press" every two weeks or so..... Bengus81 Feb 2021 #15
ROFLOL...they weren't looking for her BEFORE Epstien "killed" himself?? Right..... Bengus81 Feb 2021 #16
Are her lawyers Rudy proteges? TeamProg Feb 2021 #17

Eugene

(61,945 posts)
3. Plausible, but Maxwell has a credible case to answer even if her claim is true.
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 05:46 AM
Feb 2021

If prosecutors can prove Maxwell's involvement in the crimes, messy and imperfect justice will have to do.

Being a henchman instead of the kingpin is not a defense.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
5. Another horrible ambiguous headline...
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 07:27 AM
Feb 2021

Jeffrey Epstein's ex-girlfriend blames arrest on his death (His arrest caused his death?)
Jeffrey Epstein's ex-girlfriend blames arrest on his death (Her arrest caused his death?)
Jeffrey Epstein's ex-girlfriend blames arrest on his death (Oh! I get it... she blames HER being arrested on the fact that he died.)

muriel_volestrangler

(101,361 posts)
10. "blames X on Y" never means "X caused Y", it always means "Y caused X"
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 09:23 AM
Feb 2021

so your 1st 2 ideas wouldn't have worked.

The one other grammatically possible interpretation was "his death caused his arrest", but you correctly didn't mention that because everyone knows that you don't get arrested after your own death.

Ford_Prefect

(7,919 posts)
6. It is a claim made by those who administered the Nazi death camps. They were not
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 08:10 AM
Feb 2021

the ones who ran the ovens, or shot prisoners, or took their possessions, or any of the direct contact with prisoners. Their crime was that they kept score and enabled all of the terrible things which happened there, and knew every detail of the plans and who it was these terrible things were done to, and made it possible to do it ever so efficiently. Only doing their job they would say. Only following orders...to enable something horrible.

Yes she has a case that they are now pursuing charges against her they had planned to apply further to Epstein. But you do have to ask how is it that she was there too, in so many situations so well recorded in those photographs, so ubiquitously part of his scene and mentioned by so many of his victims and his many wealthy "friends".

One is also moved to ask that when they are done with her and begin to work on his wealthy friends, some of whom it seems shared in his tastes and his "scene", will they make the same complaint? How about that Donald?

csziggy

(34,137 posts)
18. Many of the victims have said that they were recruited by Ghislaine Maxwell
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 02:58 PM
Feb 2021

For Epstein's abuse. Once some of them were abused, they were used to recruit other girls.

Weren't the authorities looking for Maxwell BEFORE Epstein died. If she'd turned herself in then, she could have made a deal and given them valuable information. Now she's the last procurer standing and must take the rap.

Ford_Prefect

(7,919 posts)
19. I think that the timing of her complaint is interesting since it comes at a point where
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 03:24 PM
Feb 2021

the fund set up to pay victims has ceased to payout claiming a financial shortfall.

Ever since Epstein became exposed and then incarcerated it has become clear that he was the center of a web of abuse and extortion. It has also become clear that there were others beyond Maxwell involved in it. None of them has been prosecuted, notably Trump. Much has been rumored about who among the rich, the powerful, and the famous owed Epstein favors or protection, or may have been part of the exploitation. When I hear of new complaints by Maxwell I get the feeling they are directed to those yet unindicted co-conspirators for relief or favors owed.

My thinking runs that there is a large network which fed Epstein and serviced his secrets along with his finances. It is likely that much of it still operates to the benefit of those who haven't been caught yet, and who may have access to some portion of his remaining finances.

csziggy

(34,137 posts)
20. The timing is suspect, considering that Trump's con game is pretty much up
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 03:42 PM
Feb 2021

And Epstein introduced Trump to Melania.

I would not be at all shocked if there was a large, Republican-supported pedophile and human trafficking ring that used Epstein to acquire victims among other means. Ever Republican claim about others is a projection of what they do, in my experience, though they might exaggerate as they embellish their projections.

Wawannabe

(5,678 posts)
12. Too bad her ex was a coward!
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 09:34 AM
Feb 2021

OR

Too bad NY let him get murdered.....

Either way

When you have a relationship with a a pedophile...And when you hawk young women and girls.... You should be held accountable. Stupid woman!

2Gingersnaps

(1,000 posts)
13. Yeah, "English aristocrats" sometimes need a gravy train...
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 09:44 AM
Feb 2021

not many of them are willing to promise barely teens modeling careers to feed them to monsters to enjoy the good life. Jail does suck. That is why it is a good idea not to be a criminal. And the worst possible kind of criminal, well..........that will free up one cell from a pot smoker.

localroger

(3,630 posts)
14. They weren't gonna let Ghislaine go just because they got Epstein
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 09:46 AM
Feb 2021

The case they were building was that Maxwell procured girls for Epstein and participated enthusiastically in Epstein's sexual encounters with them. They arrested Epstein first because he was the primary target and they had enough evidence up front, but once they got around to building the detailed case they would have come for Maxwell too.

TeamProg

(6,222 posts)
17. Are her lawyers Rudy proteges?
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 01:16 PM
Feb 2021

Knowing it won't work, they'll keep Ms Maxwell thinking that they're working really hard for the $$$$.
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