Graham blames Capitol Police for not using lethal force on more rioters
Source: NBC News
"Because hypocrisy is pretty large for these people, standing up to, you know, rioters when they came to my house, Susan Collins' house, I think this is a very hypocritical presentation by the House," Graham said.
He also blamed Capitol Police officers for not having used lethal force against more rioters.
"I got mad. I mean, these police officers had every right to use deadly force. They should have used it," he said. "The people in charge of securing the Capitol let the country down."
Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/live-blog/2021-02-11-trump-impeachment-trial-live-updates-n1257308/ncrd1257406?cid=sm_npd_ms_tw_ma#liveBlogHeader
Walleye
(31,028 posts)AllTooEasy
(1,260 posts)Blacks wouldn't have made it to the steps. Pathetic example of White Privilege.
Walleye
(31,028 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,124 posts)from him and used to kill him.
Why are American's top leaders so stupid and evil?
What does it say about us as a country?
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)OMG yes...
Sucha NastyWoman
(2,749 posts)How can anyone give any weight to anything Lindsey says?
Irish_Dem
(47,124 posts)ananda
(28,866 posts)It makes me so fucking angry when they do that!
Irish_Dem
(47,124 posts)DENVERPOPS
(8,835 posts)what Kompromat Trump/Putin have on him, that makes him Trump's most devoted lap poodle........
Everyone knows he's a closeted gay man. So what can it be?????
ananda
(28,866 posts)stuck on the dark side with nowhere else to go...
so to soeak.
Maeve
(42,282 posts)Adding more firepower would have escalated the violence all around. Some of the rioters were armed, too.
Irish_Dem
(47,124 posts)The police were greatly outnumbered and you cannot just start shooting into a mob with out proper back up.
AllTooEasy
(1,260 posts)Instead they scattered, which is the natural reaction.
Irish_Dem
(47,124 posts)Maeve
(42,282 posts)Went back to the tapes to make sure my memory on this was correct
oldsoftie
(12,553 posts)Maeve
(42,282 posts)oldsoftie
(12,553 posts)Guy closest to the camera has something in front of him but it doesnt look like a gun.
Maeve
(42,282 posts)oldsoftie
(12,553 posts)The worst arrested werent part of the attackers that got into the capitol bldg. But people being armed is why the COPS are armed. The point is that if they'd fired on them as soon as they got violent trying to get in, 99% of them would have turned tail and fled. And the ones that didnt, well too bad for them. You have to draw a line somewhere. As i said elsewhere, another reason i couldnt be a cop.
Maeve
(42,282 posts)Also, I said "armed" originally--that is not limited to firearms. There were a variety of weapons in the crowd.
underpants
(182,826 posts)To the people who helped him Thank you and F you for being here
Irish_Dem
(47,124 posts)I think he is the one who finally said to the mob, I have kids at home and they left him alone then.
underpants
(182,826 posts)SunSeeker
(51,571 posts)modrepub
(3,496 posts)Use of deadly force is going to elicit a response from those you apply it to. Cooler, smarter and better trained individuals prevailed on January 6th.
pazzyanne
(6,556 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,124 posts)Of course Lindsey knows better.
Walleye
(31,028 posts)Mob could have pulled their own guns and tasers and killed capital police and possibly senators and congresswomen and men had capital police tried to shoot at the mob. Capital police were outnumbered plain and simple and I think it was purposely done by someone.
LuckyLib
(6,819 posts)slap on the wrist. I think their social media would show examples of folks telling others, "Don't bring a weapon." Or if they did, they left them in their vehicles.
oldsoftie
(12,553 posts)not to mention there was more than just ONE officer there
Snoopy 7
(527 posts)Don't forget the FBI warned them of the dangers these rioters were capable of therefor, Lindsey already knew what the FBI had reported. The question should be why didn't Lindsey do anything to protect our Democracy from these same rioters. He also knew that the trump administration not only changed the date, time and route for the protesters (it wasn't initially set for the 6th) he did nothing as the trump administration add fueled the fire with the verbal assault trump spewed that very day and for the last year of prepping the fire.
Uncle Joe
(58,365 posts)they would rather Panthera tigris destroy the village than risk getting off and being politically consumed for their self serving treachery.
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)A real amazing moment when you render me speechless.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)thucythucy
(8,069 posts)Did I miss something here?
People broke into those houses, smashed windows, trashed furniture, smeared shit on the walls, threated to hang the occupants, and murdered someone in the process, and none of us heard anything about it?
Or could this be just another hysterical rant from Leningrad Lindsey?
Irish_Dem
(47,124 posts)And just makes it up as he goes.
Then cannot remember what he said the day before.
Behind the Aegis
(53,959 posts)He basically shamed the Capitol Police; victim shaming; oh so, republican.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)...maybe hes a leech.
ProudMNDemocrat
(16,786 posts)OMG! Did Graham not hear the cries from the Capitol Police they needed backup?
Dumbass is too kind a word to describe Lindsey Graham.
BlueStater
(7,596 posts)Fuck you, Lindsey.
AllTooEasy
(1,260 posts)...they would have used deadly force after we hopped over the first barricade. Insurrection Over! Rioters would have scattered, just like they scattered after a Capital Hill cop short Ashli Babbitt in the head.
To be honest, I would have unloaded my clip on those Trump Insurrectionists without any hesitation. Better several of them than 1 dead officer at the scene, two by suicide, and 100+ officers with significant injuries.
orangecrush
(19,571 posts)Prof. Toru Tanaka
(1,964 posts)with Graham, it's like "back over the blue" after first throwing them under the bus.
Not surprised I'm reading he often seems intoxicated as being Trump's main butt-kissing water carrier likely gives him a severe case of self-loathing.
I echo BlueStater's sentiments in giving a big F you to Graham.
Clearly fogged in
(1,896 posts)The blame is always on whoever was supposed to be watching the help.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,107 posts)C_U_L8R
(45,003 posts)then he could have invoked martial law.
Perhaps they deserved to get mowed down on the steps, but Trump was using his ginned-up mob as patsies so he could hold onto power (and ultimately stay out of prison). I think we're fortunate that events did not spin totally out of control. That's where evil like Trump really thrives.
Deuxcents
(16,241 posts)Im glad I read your post before I made a comment b/c Im just too angry with this man
BumRushDaShow
(129,082 posts)I certainly miss him because he was one of the few who could rein in, control, and muzzle Graham.
Irish_Dem
(47,124 posts)He was clearly intoxicated the night of the insurrection.
He just babbled that night. And he babbles every day.
Just making up stuff.
The Roux Comes First
(1,299 posts)Very much akin to a vest-wearing bomber or a person wanting someone else to help them die.
Of course that original condition leaves the field wide open for Graham.
Old Terp
(464 posts)equipment. They also had a ton of additional restrictions. They weren't even allowed to go in until very late in the
game. If I recall correctly, I think the Capitol Police were also under armed. They sure weren't in riot gear. So here we have a real terrorists attack and the law enforcement is not equipped to shut them down. And we all know why that is.
IronLionZion
(45,450 posts)time for police to turn against the GOP. Graham is such an asshole, wanting more death because he's pro-life.
riversedge
(70,242 posts)BootinUp
(47,164 posts)And thats all I have to say.
rickyhall
(4,889 posts)NickB79
(19,253 posts)The only thing that stopped a bloodbath that day was the Capital police holding their fire. Unless the police had access to M4's and a lot of extra magazines, they would have been outgunned.
riversedge
(70,242 posts)So, Lindsey is upset--the boys in blue did not please him when they came to his house-or Collins.
............Live Blog
Frank Thorp V
6h ago / 10:21 AM CST
Graham blames Capitol Police for not using lethal force on more rioters
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/live-blog/2021-02-11-trump-impeachment-trial-live-updates-n1257308/ncrd1257406?cid=sm_npd_ms_tw_ma#liveBlogHeader
Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., a close ally of Trump, told reporters that he believes "there's more votes for acquittal after today than there was yesterday" after the House manager's gripping presentation on Wednesday.
"Because hypocrisy is pretty large for these people, standing up to, you know, rioters when they came to my house, Susan Collins' house, I think this is a very hypocritical presentation by the House," Graham said.
He also blamed Capitol Police officers for not having used lethal force against more rioters.
"I got mad. I mean, these police officers had every right to use deadly force. They should have used it," he said. "The people in charge of securing the Capitol let the country down."...............
Walleye
(31,028 posts)oasis
(49,389 posts)LeftInTX
(25,366 posts)What a goon!!!!
LiberalFighter
(50,943 posts)LiberalFighter
(50,943 posts)SCantiGOP
(13,871 posts)Not that it will matter one bit, but here is the rage text I sent to that sniveling piece of excrement that represents me in the Senate:
Did you actually say that the Capitol Police let the country down by not doing a better job of defending the building against the rabid right wing mob that your hero Trump sent to assassinate members of Congress?
You have reached a new low. I realize that you have your precious seat for another 6 years, and that means more to you than your integrity, soul, or dedication to the United States, but I cannot express how much pure disgust I feel for you. You are truly a pathetic human being.
twin_ghost
(435 posts)Jesus H. Christ.
secondwind
(16,903 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)say the election was not LEGIT!! FUCK you Lindsey Grahm.
orangecrush
(19,571 posts)LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,586 posts)Go back to South Carolina, sit on your veranda sipping sweetened tea, and leave the rest of the country to the adults.
Had the officers opened fire, it would have shut the Capitol completely down for the rest of the day, so the Senate would not have been able to complete the counting of the electoral votes and certifying Biden as winner.
But that's what your Lord and Master Herr T**** wanted you to do, wasn't it?
Just when I think Lindsey or any of the rest of the Q-GOP co-conspirators can't sink any lower, they strap on extra scuba tanks and down they go.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... stomp his way up the marble stairs in his brand new, high-gloss, patent leather shoes. Click click click! Lordy mercy! It does appear to me that the delicately mannered Southern Gentleman from South Carolina is so angry that he has worked up a sweat. See how his forehead glistens. Before you know it, he'll storm off to his room, slam the door behind him. Next, he'll hop up on his sister's canopy bed and start pulling the heads off of all her dollies. He gets mean and destructive when he's mad.
Good grief! Listen to him trying to talk tough! What a joke! He's just a spoiled little boy trying to convince everyone he's a macho man... but inside, he's a temperamental child... a privileged brat... living a very sheltered overly-protected life. He answers to nobody and thinks he can get away with anything.
Perhaps that's true... he answers to nobody and gets away with a lot... for now. But surely that can't last forever. It's only a matter of time before his luck runs out. Tick-tock, Mr. "G". Tick. Tock.
Ohioboy
(3,243 posts)That mob was huge. Lindsey Graham is stupid. Graham is basically afraid to stand up to Trump and the mob, but he wants the Capitol Police to protect his ass from them.
keithbvadu2
(36,823 posts)Say it plain, Lindsey... Do you approve the killing of Trump terrorist Ashli Babbitt?
These are Trump's people.
timms139
(115 posts)those thoughts out of his nose while off screen ?
nature-lover
(1,469 posts)Response to brooklynite (Original post)
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Rabrrrrrr
(58,349 posts)Totally GOP logic.
marble falls
(57,101 posts)WheelWalker
(8,955 posts)Jay25
(417 posts)Marthe48
(16,973 posts)wanting the dictator's own troops attacked. Guess it just goes to show that lindsey graham is for lindsey graham.
packman
(16,296 posts)And that sums it up
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)On him.
eppur_se_muova
(36,266 posts)It only draws attention to your record in that regard.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... and pray to Lord in Heaven Above that the rest of the country doesn't pay attention to his miserable record in that regard.
Piasladic
(1,160 posts)When you serve out your term, expect to see a side eye from the Capitol Police, and god help you if things go to hell again.
Owl
(3,642 posts)niyad
(113,336 posts)would net me a visit from the suits. LG is a waste of resources.
Turbineguy
(37,341 posts)and trump knows what it is.
niyad
(113,336 posts)oldsoftie
(12,553 posts)These days, if he REALLY had a horrible one we'd know it. Its not Hollywood in the 50s. Someone would give him up
Turbineguy
(37,341 posts)Like he's acting this way because he's being blackmailed. Where in reality, maybe he's just a low life scumbag.
oldsoftie
(12,553 posts)Especially that poor guy we see getting crushed in the door. I would have emptied my weapon.
Another reason i could never be a cop I guess.
Mary Mac
(323 posts)Crowman2009
(2,497 posts)...these terrorists being innocent bystanders and that the Capitol Police caused the violence. You can't win with this two-faced SOB!
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,023 posts)Leningrad Lindsey flip flops like a jellyfish.
Lucky Luciano
(11,257 posts)They should have been fully armed and ready, but they werent...by design.
George II
(67,782 posts)maxsolomon
(33,345 posts)Always craven, always redirecting, always projecting.
He should be happy they didn't shoot the rabble.
mysteryowl
(7,390 posts)There must be a science/process about rioting mobs and shooting people would not have helped anything or they would have.
SunSeeker
(51,571 posts)Start at about 1:20 into this video:
Officer Fanone said they were outnumbered 50 to 15,000. He knew that if he started shooting, he might kill a few, buy then the crowd would take his gun away and they would use his lethal force as an excuse to kill him right there. At that point it became a matter of self-preservation. He figured his best shot at surviving was to appeal to their humanity, he told them he had kids. It worked...some rioters stepped in to stop others who were beating and tazing him.
mysteryowl
(7,390 posts)Now he, was in the middle of 100's of rioters. I wonder what the thinking was for those CP that had a line at the so-called beginning.
In the end, the CP did protect and defend ALL the capital staff. Amazing!!! Truly a miracle.
SunSeeker
(51,571 posts)They were immediately outnumbered and outflanked. And they could see the rioters had weapons.
Smackdown2019
(1,188 posts)Remember the veteran woman from California that died? She was shot in the neck and yet they kept on coming in!
oldsoftie
(12,553 posts)I'm sorry, but i dont care who is doing the attacking, it must be met with overwhelming force. Otherwise they think they can do it over & over.
LymphocyteLover
(5,644 posts)to an certain extent I'm wondering why they stopped shooting people after that first one-- they were willing to use deadly force to stop the invasion of that one area then just gave up?
moriah
(8,311 posts)The video put together by the Washington Post showing multiple videos/angles of the shooting shows that the crowd saw that Members of Congress were visible down that hallway, and the rioters started attacking the glass and intimidating the officers who were on the crowd-side of the barricaded door to the Speaker's Lobby.
The officer who shot was positioned in the first doorway off the entrance to the Speaker's Lobby, and only shot after Babbitt decided to climb on top of the frame of the broken side glass and put her torso through the broken window. He can be seen with his gun drawn (and if Babbitt could hear, there were multiple people relaying back that an officer had a gun), and had it ready to hit the first person who came through any part of that door. When he can see it's going to be Babbitt that's first through, he is shown to move to target her and then shoot.
And so I'm gathering that his instructions that day was to protect that corridor as well as he could until all the House Members got to safety, then either follow them and continue to protect them, get safe himself (as he was plain-clothes), or get to where he could put on protective gear and continue to help.
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After that point, if the employees and MoCs were cleared.... while yeah if it'd been my home, in my state I'd have had the right to shoot someone in the downstairs of my home from the stairwell... sending in a SWAT team to gun all those people in the Senate floor down from the gallery would have probably not played well.
LymphocyteLover
(5,644 posts)moriah
(8,311 posts)I think Graham is just jealous that he hasn't had a real creative protest done on him, like when the gigantic inflatable condom was set over Jesse Helms's house. (No, he wasn't inside, the group made sure first.)
https://www.poz.com/blog/in-memory-of-je
malthaussen
(17,202 posts)BobTheSubgenius
(11,564 posts)"...let the country down."??? FUCK YOU, you effete, emasculated toady!
Sorry. As you were.
xxqqqzme
(14,887 posts)You don't insult the persons responsible for saving you sorry old white ass.