7 Senate Republicans vote 'guilty,' the most bipartisan margin in favor of conviction in history.

[BumRushDaShow]

Source: New York Times

The United States Senate voted 57-43 to acquit Donald J. Trump in his second impeachment trial, as Republicans in a Senate still bruised from the most violent attack on the Capitol in two centuries banded together to reject the charge that he incited the Jan. 6 attack. But seven Republicans voted with all 50 Democrats to convict, the most bipartisan support for conviction in any of the four impeachments in U.S. history.

That outcome reflects two factors. First, many of the senators experienced the violence of the attack, fleeing for safety as marauders overwhelmed the Capitol Police and swarmed the Capitol during the attack, and that Democrats built a case that the former president undertook a monthslong effort to overturn the election, and then provoked the assault on the Capitol in a last-ditch attempt to cling to power."If that is not ground for conviction, if that is not a high crime and misdemeanor against the Republic and the United States of America, than nothing is," Representative Jamie Raskin, Democrat of Maryland and the lead manager, pleaded with senators before the vote. "President Trump must be convicted, for the safety and democracy of our people."

With most of Mr. Trump's party coalescing around him, the final tally was on track to fall short of the two-thirds majority needed to convict him. Only with conviction could the Senate move to disqualify Mr. Trump from holding future office. The verdict will bring an abrupt end to the fourth presidential impeachment trial in American history, and the only one in which the accused had left office before being tried.

The jury, composed of senators who witnessed the violence firsthand, were voting on a question with no precedent in American history: whether to convict a former president accused of seeking to violently thwart the peaceful transfer of power -- and putting at risk the lives of hundreds of lawmakers and his own vice president. The trial is ending after just five days, partly because Republicans and Democrats alike had little appetite for a prolonged proceeding, and partly because Mr. Trump's allies had made clear before it even began they were not prepared to hold him responsible.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/02/13/us/impeachment-trial/7-senate-republicans-vote-guilty-the-most-bipartisan-margin-in-favor-of-conviction-in-history

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The Republicans who voted "guilty" -

Burr, Cassidy, Collins, Murkowski, Romney, Sasse, Toomey

Senate Roll Call vote - https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=117&session=1&vote=00059

[COL Mustard]

1. At Least We Know There Are Seven Republicans

Who still have some sense of honor. The other 43 are dead to me, as is their party.

[quakerboy]

42. Nah.

There are 7 senators who realized that they were expendable when a republican president attempts to overthrow government. That a dictator no longer needs senators

Aint no honor. just a mild hint of self preservation

[Jetheels]

55. Yep, and I bet they're "very concerned".

Also, I find the headline offensive. It’s like if the manson family were arrested for the Tate-LaBianca murders and the headline said, so and so of the manson family did not partake in the crime. By highlighting the ones with perhaps a couple vertebrae left in their spine...really?

[onetexan]

52. Honor would mean they would abandon their party

[riversedge]

2. well. there's this.

[Behind the Aegis]

3. And once again...

Watch out pedestrians of 5th Avenue.

[Stuart G]

4. Just 7 care about this country...only 7 Very Sad Indeed

Burr, Cassidy, Collins, Murkowski, Romney, Sasse, Toomey

That is it, and that is all.....

[Chellee]

6. And 10 in the House.

So there are 17 decent Republicans in the Congress. There might be a couple in Georgia as well. So, if you add in local and state officials there is probably in the neighborhood of two dozen. In the entire country. Just two dozen. Maybe. And even they are only somewhat good, up to a point.

[ProfessorGAC]

17. There Might Be More Than 17...

...decent Republicans in Congress. We might never know the real value.
But, we know there are 17 Republicans that are decent and have the courage to vote without constant fear for their jobs.
So many Rs are so frightened of being primaried, that the fear supersedes possible decency.
Being a coward is no excuse, but behind the cowardice might(!) be some decency.
These 17 we know are "decent" because they had the courage to stand up.

[lambchopp59]

5. Forever tarnished is the reputation of most of the GOP

Even Fox Noise sycophants will be tying themselves into confabulatory pretzel logic trying to justify the facts and will totally lose R support with any sense of moderation. They didn't get the martyrdom story they likely wanted out of this.
Planet has tipped over the climate change precipice, only radical amounts of green energy will still only minimally mitigate what is to come and it is the worst of the GOP will always be associated with catastrophe.
A divided, infighting GOP likely bodes well for my upcoming retirement, I've sweated bullets for far too long about their "privatize" (steal) Social Security.

[wnylib]

14. They are not the GOP, Republicans,

or even the Trump party, or conservative party.

Today, with their votes to acquit a traitor, they have become forever the Traitor Party. Do not let them forget it. Use their correct name whenever you refer to them. They are the Ts, the Traitor Party. They have entered their name on the record with their votes that can never be erased.

The 7 who voted for conviction demonstrated courage and integrity, but why are they even part of this treasonous group? What self-respecting person would remain in such a party?

If they wish to be conservative politicians, let them break away and form their own party.

[Jedi Guy]

15. "If they wish to be conservative politicians, let them break away and form their own party."

I suspect that's exactly what's going to happen in the nearish future. These seven may not leave the GOP, but look for a new conservative party to break away from the current Republican Party. It'll probably be spearheaded by a lot of the folks who were Never Trumpers to start with, and I say bully for them. There have been reports that officials from several former administrations have discussed it.

As a practical matter, it'll split the conservative vote between the loonies and the sane ones, so it'll be good for the Democratic Party in an electoral sense, at least for a while. Trumpism will hopefully die out now that he's been muzzled on social media, and if he endorses people who go on to lose, his endorsement will be seen as the kiss of death.

One way or another, it'd be nice to have the loyal opposition back again. People of good conscience can disagree, but there is a vanishingly small amount of "good conscience" in today's GOP.

[maddogesq]

31. I have heard Kasich talk about the emergence...

Of a third party. Time will tel...

[bucolic_frolic]

7. "Only with conviction could the Senate move to disqualify"

I read A 14 Sec 3 several times, and I don't see conviction as a limiting factor mentioned or implied. So it must be elsewhere.

[bucolic_frolic]

21. Robert Reich picked up on this too

Link to tweet

Robert Reich
@RBReich
Replying to
@RBReich
Section 3 of the 14th Amendment bars anyone from office who has been found to have “engaged in insurrection or rebellion against” the Constitution. That finding could be made by a simple majority.
6:04 PM · Feb 12, 2021·Twitter Web App

[onetexan]

46. K&R

[bucolic_frolic]

50. It has also been argued that states could use it to exclude Trump from being on the ballot

if they can enforce it in court. It would go back and forth. No conviction in the Senate, but a majority 57-43. It could even resurface the House Impeachment Managers' airtight presentation. Would the SCOTUS rule there was no sedition? No attack on the Constitution? I'm not sure that's a slam dunk either way. But there would be the benefit of reviewing the issues, for the public, yet again.

[onetexan]

51. Precisely. The whole exercise to rehash the horrors of the Con's actions that led to the unfolding

Events of the Capitol seige was to sear the reality and magnitude of the situation into the minds and hearts of Americans. This was much worse than 911 in that 911 was perpetrated by a foreign terrorist group on American soil. The insurrection was perpetrated and carried out by domestic terrorists who are American citizens.

Dems knew in advance there would not be enough GOP with moral spine to convict the Con. But the excercise of reimpeaching him had to be done to ensure his place as the most dangerous despot to have held the highest office of the land. This gives Dems the strongest reason to hang it around the necks of these congress members who voted to acquit him come reelection time, and that the GOP party is no longer one of small government, small spending and conservative values, its now the antidemocratic party of white nationalism and violent extremism.

[bucolic_frolic]

53. Well said!! /nt

[Number9Dream]

8. Surprise... both of my PA Senators voted guilty!

Toomey found some backbone since he's not running again.

[TexasBushwhacker]

9. If the 15 that stayed home yesterday

And missed a full day of presentations had not been allowed to vote, then only 85 would have been able to vote for conviction or acquittal. Guess how many votes make 2/3 of 85?

FIFTY SEVEN!

[StevieM]

12. They can't be disqualified from voting.

They are senators, not jurors. And it is not a trial, it is a political process.

I understand your desire for justice, but just imagine the precedent we would be setting. At some point down the line the GOP could control the senate and find bogus reasons for disqualifying Democratic senators. It is better not to open that door, because at some future date the Republicans would be certain to go through it.

[ancianita]

10. By keeping their oaths they constitute the remnants of the Republican Party. The Republican 7.

The rest are no longer a cult, but the fascista.
They will suffer at the hands of those they've joined with.

[Jedi Guy]

16. Yep, the rest are hoping the leopard eats someone else's face first.

Eventually, however, they will be found "impure" by the cult, and then the knives will come out. And they'll deserve everything they get.

[ancianita]

20. Exactly.

They will disappear from history forever.
Their descendants will denounce and forget them,
his cult will scuttle back to their darkness.

May he be stalked for his crimes the rest of his life,
know no rest, no peace, no joy.
Die alone.

Now go the Republican 7.
Silent go the fascista 43,
who will watch their backs,
suffer at hands of the Might Makes Right'ers
with whom they're enjoined.

As Pelosi the Powerful says
This will never happen again.

[Jedi Guy]

35. "They will disappear from history forever."

Let's hope not. If they disappear from history, it'll be all too easy for the same bullshit to happen again. I hope their nonsense lives in infamy and their names are spoken with scorn. That's the least they deserve for enabling Trump all this time, and then being too cowardly to hold him responsible at long last. I'd have had some respect for them if they'd snapped out of it at the end, but instead they chose to double down.

[ancianita]

37. Good point, thanks.

[Stuart G]

11. Here is the list of who voted For and Against..Conviction...from New York Times..

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/02/13/us/politics/senate-impeachment-live-vote.html

[cstanleytech]

13. Title should be "43 Senate Republicans voting in favor of violent insurrection"

[Rebl2]

22. Exactly

43 cowards

[DallasNE]

18. Trump's Remarks After The Verdict Was Announced

Was exhibit A for why the Senate needed to convict. No remorse and no regret. (Not sure how he got his message out so fast). This is a dark day in American history. How can the nation heal under these circumstances.

[Wicked Blue]

24. +100 nt

[Politicub]

23. They only needed six more senators.

Six.

The house managers did the best job that they could do. They presented a factual, impassioned case. They impressed me every minute.

I'm frustrated today at the spineless republicans. And I'm heartened that seven were brave enough to vote guilty because they will be tormented by Trump supporters.

The Trump lawyers presented a stupid Trumptainment extravaganza. They could have just rubbed asses together for three hours, and it wouldn't have changed the outcome.

The best that could happen now is a commission to study January 6 and pull apart the threads that linked the various seditionist groups together. Some will lead back to congress people.

I guess there's always Fulton County and a case brought by the DA.

[BumRushDaShow]

26. They needed 10 more

since all 100 members were there. They need 67 to convict and had 57 (including ALL Ds & Is + the 7 Rs).

[Politicub]

30. My math was off. I'm still glad at least seven voted yea along with all of the democrats.

I thought as I was writing my original post that it seemed off. 7+6=13 (durrrr.... on me).

[BumRushDaShow]

33. If anything, it has been reported that it was "the most bipartisan impeachment"

(for both chambers) in history (at least for an impeachment of a President)!

[pandr32]

25. I hope they will continue to work with us going forward

[Evolve Dammit]

27. "The Magnificent Seven." There's a movie there. A very small group that was objective and impartial

[IronLionZion]

28. I guessed 5 of them, but Cassidy and Burr surprised me

Sasse was the most vocal but Romney and Toomey have also said things to distance from Trump.

[Prof. Toru Tanaka]

47. Burr is not seeking re-election next year

so maybe that is why he voted to convict. After reading an article on this site about Cassidy appearing to be upset while listening to and watching the evidence being presented, I thought there was a good chance he would vote to convict.

[mnhtnbb]

29. I sent emails to both Burr and Tillis earlier in the week.

What a surprise to see Burr vote to convict. Maybe that email meant something.

[malthaussen]

32. So much for witnesses. So much for an investigation.

"Republicans and Democrats alike had little appetite for a prolonged proceeding."
They they are both at fault. People try to overthrow our government, and neither party has an "appetite" to investigate or hold anyone responsible? Shame.

-- Mal

[BusyBeingBest]

34. I'm pleasantly surprised. I didn't expect a conviction, but wasn't sure

we'd have ANY of them with us, except maybe Mittens and Murkowski.

[marie999]

36. Can a former president be impeached?

I was thinking what if he is found guilty of crimes he committed while the president.

[SunSeeker]

38. The acquital is a sad day for America. There's no sugarcoating this.

Yes, the House Managers did a fantastic job. Yes, we got 7 GOP votes, the most bipartisan impeachment trial vote in history.

But Trump was acquitted of inciting insurrection, even though he clearly did so.

[badboy67]

39. The GOP: Party Over Country

Every. Time.

[BobTheSubgenius]

54. And with more than a soupcon of personal interest.

[kimbutgar]

40. 43 republicans pledged their allegiance to mf45 not to the constitution

They chose MF45 over the country. History should record them as traitors and every last MFer needs to evicted from the senate next time they are up for re election by large margins.

43 frickin traitors. The treasonous 43, the 43 lawbreakers.

From now on the 43 are not patriots but the corrupted politicians of mf45.

[Lulu KC]

41. I'm calling it a win

See you in court, Mr. So-Called-ex-president.

[yuiyoshida]

43. Big deal.. WAIT TILL HE RUNS for President again and wins...

than we look at the Senate and Say thanks a fucking lot for nothing. I want his ass in PRISON, i want to see him treated roughly in HANDCUFFS till he cries out in pain, and shove him into a squad car, as he said, not too gently. The Bastard has to PAY for what he has done to this country, None of this ,WE WILL BE NICE AN LET HIM GO shit...

[Steelrolled]

44. A footnote in history.

Glad it is over.

[BobTheSubgenius]

45. I had not heard that the vote was historic. My interest level in following the proceeding waned.

I am sure it was covered, but I failed to hear it.

[Barb arian]

48. A POSSIBLE Good Start

But no one should be issuing medals yet!

[Jetheels]

49. A day late and a dollar short.