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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 02:27 PM Feb 2021

Mitt Romney will oppose LGBTQ rights bill unless Christians get a right to discriminate

Source: LGBTQ Nation


Will out bisexual Senator Kyrsten Sinema help him kill the legislation? So far, the answer is yes.

By Bil Browning Wednesday, February 17, 2021

Sen. Mitt Romney (R-UT) has announced that he will oppose the Equality Act unless it includes language that would allow Christians to discriminate against LGBTQ people. The bill is a priority for the Biden administration and Romney’s vote could be critical to passage.

While there is a path around Romney’s roadblock, out bisexual Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (D-AZ) could sink the proposed legislation altogether.

“Sen. Romney believes that strong religious liberty protections are essential to any legislation on this issue, and since those provisions are absent from this particular bill, he is not able to support it,” said Arielle Mueller, a Romney spokesperson, told the Washington Blade.

While Democrats control both chambers of Congress and the bill will easily pass the House of Representatives, the vote in the Senate is a little more complicated. The House is expected to vote on the bill next week.

Read more: https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2021/02/mitt-romney-will-oppose-lgbtq-rights-bill-unless-christians-get-right-discriminate

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Mitt Romney will oppose LGBTQ rights bill unless Christians get a right to discriminate (Original Post) DonViejo Feb 2021 OP
Sure Mitt. Let's Oldem Feb 2021 #1
So GLBT can't be given equal rights unless LuvNewcastle Feb 2021 #2
This is from the guy who said he "wept when church ended discrimination" still_one Feb 2021 #3
Mormons looking foolish? AZ8theist Feb 2021 #47
But will they allow Christians to discriminate against Mormons? cojoel Feb 2021 #4
This is true LiberalLovinLug Feb 2021 #8
Many Protestants/Catholics consider the other to be NOT Christians. keithbvadu2 Feb 2021 #28
LOL Perfect..............NC DENVERPOPS Feb 2021 #33
Love it! IronLionZion Feb 2021 #36
I have met many Protestants who don't consider Catholics Christians. shrike3 Feb 2021 #45
when I was in middle school my pastor was horrified I would be spending a week dsc Feb 2021 #29
They are! LittleGirl Feb 2021 #52
Dearest Mitt, freedom to discriminate is not a 'christian' value. C_U_L8R Feb 2021 #5
DAMN! elleng Feb 2021 #6
Kind of defeats the purpose of an 'Equality' bill to allow discrimination. sinkingfeeling Feb 2021 #7
"Love thy neighbor" doesn't mean what he thinks it does. Marcuse Feb 2021 #9
Romney is a bought and paid for, bigot supporting, pendejo. Magoo48 Feb 2021 #10
The Christian justification for discrimination is ..............? bucolic_frolic Feb 2021 #11
Kickin' with disgust! Faux pas Feb 2021 #12
He is saying he is not for fair rights at all. Doreen Feb 2021 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author Doreen Feb 2021 #14
The LGBTQ community needs to come up with a discrimination list to non-LGBTQ people Escurumbele Feb 2021 #15
My friend has a great gaydar and claims safeinOhio Feb 2021 #56
sorry, no christo-fascist exceptions for any of these fucking fakes, period. bringthePaine Feb 2021 #16
This just in: Mitt Romney still a religious dickweed Miguelito Loveless Feb 2021 #17
Can the rest of us discriminate against Christians? Vinca Feb 2021 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Feb 2021 #19
And Romney continues to be who he really is.... HUAJIAO Feb 2021 #20
Mitt Rmoney is not a good guy. Just a reminder. BradAllison Feb 2021 #21
Mitt happens. CaptYossarian Feb 2021 #22
So can we pass legislation to block the Mormon Church from their tax exempt stands there Mittens turbinetree Feb 2021 #23
The enemy of my enemy BlueIdaho Feb 2021 #24
the usa , never has and never will be a christian nation. AllaN01Bear Feb 2021 #25
Not until we have a Jubilee Year and safeinOhio Feb 2021 #55
Just when I thought Mitt was exhibiting traits of a normal person, Chili Pepper Feb 2021 #26
Anyone surprised? No? Behind the Aegis Feb 2021 #27
st peter is showing the new arrival around heaven. it's all alleyways between high walls. keithbvadu2 Feb 2021 #30
sadly it likely won't matter dsc Feb 2021 #31
It never ends with these people and their demands for preferential treatment !!! Progressive Jones Feb 2021 #32
Nowhere does that article, nor the source from THAT article, state WHY he is opposed. LiberalLovinLug Feb 2021 #34
Religious Libertyright to hate and discriminate AllyCat Feb 2021 #35
Mitt is about as re-gressive as it gets. Vulture capitalist (Bain Holding Co.) and golden underwear. Evolve Dammit Feb 2021 #37
Mitt is being absurb iluvtennis Feb 2021 #38
He needs to show where in the Bible Jesus said it was OK to discriminate. Jay25 Feb 2021 #39
Oh that is fake news raising2moredems Feb 2021 #51
Covid ravaging the planet Jetheels Feb 2021 #40
People need to be equal. EndlessWire Feb 2021 #41
What's up with Senema? FreeState Feb 2021 #42
I spelled her name wrong EndlessWire Feb 2021 #48
You can have equality as long as I can discriminate against you in the name of some god! Solly Mack Feb 2021 #43
I didn't know Mormons were Christian burrowowl Feb 2021 #44
Actually none of that is true FreeState Feb 2021 #49
I'm going to oppose this anti-theft bill unless I get a religious exemption to steal. royable Feb 2021 #46
Where does it end? slightlv Feb 2021 #50
So would others have the right to legally discriminate against christians olddad65 Feb 2021 #53
Just when you thought Mitt might be decent, he reminds you he's a Republican. SunSeeker Feb 2021 #54
If that gay person, standing next to you, is the safeinOhio Feb 2021 #57

LuvNewcastle

(16,846 posts)
2. So GLBT can't be given equal rights unless
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 02:30 PM
Feb 2021

some people are allowed to violate those rights. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

still_one

(92,213 posts)
3. This is from the guy who said he "wept when church ended discrimination"
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 02:32 PM
Feb 2021

"Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney said on NBC’s “Meet the Press” today that he wept with relief when the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, the Mormon church, announced a 1978 revelation that the priesthood would no longer be denied to persons of African descent."

https://www.politico.com/story/2007/12/mitt-wept-when-church-ended-discrimination-007415

One has to wonder if they realize how foolish they look



cojoel

(957 posts)
4. But will they allow Christians to discriminate against Mormons?
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 02:33 PM
Feb 2021

There are plenty of Christians (self-identifying ones, as opposed to followers of Christ) who don't like Mormons any more than LGBTQ, Blacks, Hispanics, Jews, Muslims, Asians, and just about anybody else. There are some that don't even like Catholics...

LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
8. This is true
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 03:06 PM
Feb 2021

I grew up in an evangelical house. Everyone else was wrong and we were right. But humble about that fact (yeah right).

Jews, Catholics, and other evangelical churches too, like Baptists who allowed smoking!, or those crazy Pentecostals speaking in tongues. They didn't overtly put Mormons down, but once in awhile if the topic came up, they were sure to educate us how they were more like a cult, and not REAL Christians..........like us!

keithbvadu2

(36,817 posts)
28. Many Protestants/Catholics consider the other to be NOT Christians.
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 05:37 PM
Feb 2021

Many Protestants/Catholics consider the other to be NOT Christians.

But you have to be the right kind of Christian.....

Start at about 2:00 on the timeline.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
29. when I was in middle school my pastor was horrified I would be spending a week
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 05:43 PM
Feb 2021

with my Mormon aunt and uncle and their children. They were considered cultists by him.

bucolic_frolic

(43,173 posts)
11. The Christian justification for discrimination is ..............?
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 03:14 PM
Feb 2021

Will they be banning Nazis and insurrectionists too?

Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Escurumbele

(3,395 posts)
15. The LGBTQ community needs to come up with a discrimination list to non-LGBTQ people
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 03:31 PM
Feb 2021

It should work both ways right? Ok, you discriminate against me, I can also discriminate against you.

Lets see, you are a Catholic? Well yes, I am a Christian but not a Catholic, so get out of my bank, we cannot give you the loan you so desperately need.

How about schools? Hmm, you are and Evangelist? Sorry, we only accept Baptists...

The battle of discrimination...that will unite the country!

I know its childish, what I wrote, but it is also childish from Romney to come up with stupidity like that, and they do it just to get points with their voters.

Response to DonViejo (Original post)

CaptYossarian

(6,448 posts)
22. Mitt happens.
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 04:27 PM
Feb 2021

I guess he's staying in the GOP. This is the same demented side of his brain that picked Paul Ryan.

He needs to know a couple of things though: His beliefs won't make other orientations magically disappear. (and) Odds are that one of his five sons will remain in the closet and will never have an honest relationship with him.

turbinetree

(24,703 posts)
23. So can we pass legislation to block the Mormon Church from their tax exempt stands there Mittens
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 04:33 PM
Feb 2021

I mean really you really are showing your true colors yet again.........

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
24. The enemy of my enemy
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 04:56 PM
Feb 2021

Is not my friend. Nothing surprising here, he is never going to evolve beyond his strict Mormon upbringing.

safeinOhio

(32,687 posts)
55. Not until we have a Jubilee Year and
Thu Feb 18, 2021, 05:45 AM
Feb 2021

all debts are forgiven. Whether you think it should be every 7 years or every 49 years, we are past due.

Chili Pepper

(102 posts)
26. Just when I thought Mitt was exhibiting traits of a normal person,
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 05:01 PM
Feb 2021

he reminds us that he's really not.

Republican values

keithbvadu2

(36,817 posts)
30. st peter is showing the new arrival around heaven. it's all alleyways between high walls.
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 05:44 PM
Feb 2021

st peter is showing the new arrival around heaven. it's all alleyways between high walls.
'what are all these walls?' the new guy asks.
st peter says:
behind this wall are the catholics.
behind this wall are the baptists.
behind this wall are the jehovah's witnesses.
behind this wall are the protestants.
behind this wall are the seventh day adventists
....................................on and on and on.
they all think they're the only ones here.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
31. sadly it likely won't matter
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 05:48 PM
Feb 2021

since even if we pass that law, the Supreme Court will create a but Jesus exception to it. The case Fulton V Philadelphia was heard in Nov and from oral arguments it is quite clear they are going to carve out a massive exception to anti discrimination laws that protect LGBT people. This case Catholic charities who are paid by Phily to screen foster parents refuse to do so for LGBT parents, Phily said then we won't use you, the court will wind up saying Phily has to.

Progressive Jones

(6,011 posts)
32. It never ends with these people and their demands for preferential treatment !!!
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 06:51 PM
Feb 2021

One's religion does not make them special.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
34. Nowhere does that article, nor the source from THAT article, state WHY he is opposed.
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 07:01 PM
Feb 2021

Nor what he wants it to include.
I get it, he wants a law to include the right to refuse service to anyone that shop owners hear God above telling them not to serve. Actually, its his own closed community of circle jerking bigots.

But I don't likle how he gets away with being against the rights of some Americans, and we are all just supposed to assume what he means. If he has the courage to block it from moral grounds, then at least articulate in detail why.

AllyCat

(16,189 posts)
35. Religious Libertyright to hate and discriminate
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 07:26 PM
Feb 2021

It's that simple. No one is telling them they have to be LGBTQ. They are not violating any tenet of their religion. They just want to keep others from having rights because they don't like it.

 

Jetheels

(991 posts)
40. Covid ravaging the planet
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 08:00 PM
Feb 2021

West coast burning up Texas in once in a century freeze but yeah, lets take a moment and attack gay rights. That said there’s no info on what religious protections he wants.

EndlessWire

(6,536 posts)
41. People need to be equal.
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 08:04 PM
Feb 2021

And there should be separation of church and state.

What's up with Senema?

It makes no sense for Mitt Romney to make such a stupid requirement for his support. Why bother passing it at all? "We are all equal but some of us are more equal than the rest."

Oh! He wants to claim when he runs for Pres that he voted for some equal rights bill. He thinks that gay people are stupid. And he wants to claim for his base that he saved them from the awful gay tide that was about to wash over them.

Get real, Mitt. This is asinine.

FreeState

(10,572 posts)
42. What's up with Senema?
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 08:26 PM
Feb 2021

Im not 100% sure why, but sometimes people come out and are not supportive of the whole community or the communities basic civil rights. This happens a lot with former LDS LGBT persons. I have seen it time and time again. They come out, are still Republican and then gradually do a 180. A certain percentage never fully leave their belief system. While she has been out of the Church for 25 years she is also catering to the AZ population as a whole.

She came out in 2005 as bisexual. I dont know how involved she has been with the local community or if she has ever been in a relationship with a woman (one does not need to, however people that do tend to have their ideas changed and challenged on a more personal level).

EndlessWire

(6,536 posts)
48. I spelled her name wrong
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 10:13 PM
Feb 2021

It's Sinema.

I wonder why she joined the Democrats? I dunno. Nothing about her suggests that she is antigay rights. So, it's puzzling. This will backfire on her.

I was surprised to read that she has a Phd in Justice Studies. She is highly educated at least.

Plus, she voted to convict Trump both times.

I'm not a fan, but with a mixed review. I don't like it when anybody's human rights are constrained. Straight rights do not mean that gay rights should be diminished.

burrowowl

(17,641 posts)
44. I didn't know Mormons were Christian
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 08:37 PM
Feb 2021

since their allegiance is to Joseph Smith and their bible is the Book of Mormons.

FreeState

(10,572 posts)
49. Actually none of that is true
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 10:19 PM
Feb 2021

Mormons believe in and use the Bible (they also use the Book of Mormon and two other fan fiction books Joseph Smith authored as scripture). Joseph Smith is revered but not worshiped like Jesus is.

They are very much still a cult though.

royable

(1,264 posts)
46. I'm going to oppose this anti-theft bill unless I get a religious exemption to steal.
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 08:45 PM
Feb 2021

I have a deeply-held religious belief that I have to steal in order to obtain divine salvation.

I'm going to oppose this anti-murder bill unless I get a religious exemption to assassinate all public officials.

I have a deeply-held religious belief that I must murder them indiscriminately in order to achieve eternal life.

I have a deeply-held religious belief that I must not ever divulge my deeply held religious beliefs.

Where does it end?

slightlv

(2,818 posts)
50. Where does it end?
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 10:25 PM
Feb 2021

It doesn't. It's not a bug, it's a feature for them. They have to have someone to "other"... and despite what their bibles say, they are the exact opposite of welcoming to the stranger. I gave up on Xtianity decades ago, and almost all religions, period. I sing "Imagine" and wonder what a wonderful world it could be if everybody could just keep their nose in their own business, and out of everybody else's. But I'm Pagan... what do I know, eh? Grrrrr

olddad65

(599 posts)
53. So would others have the right to legally discriminate against christians
Thu Feb 18, 2021, 02:04 AM
Feb 2021

Would that be okay with Mitt?

safeinOhio

(32,687 posts)
57. If that gay person, standing next to you, is the
Thu Feb 18, 2021, 05:52 AM
Feb 2021

least among us, how will you treat him or her?


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