Police Say They Shot and Killed 'Armed' 13-Year-Old Boy in Chicago

[Calista241]

Source: Law and Crime

The Chicago Police Department (CPD) confirmed that the “subject” who was shot and killed during an “armed confrontation” with officers in Little Village early Monday morning has been identified as a 13-year-old boy, several Chicago-area news sources reported on Thursday.

According to the reports, a CPD official said that Adam Toledo, 13, who lived in the South Side neighborhood, died from a gunshot wound to the chest. The teen was identified by the Cook County medical examiner’s office.

Officers on the scene were responding to a ShotSpotter tip—the city’s gunfire detection network. Shots had been heard in the area at approximately 2:35 a.m. on Monday. Police said that officers, upon arriving at the scene, spotted “two subjects in a nearby alley.”

“One subject fled on foot which resulted in an armed confrontation. One subject shot and killed. 2nd subject in custody. Gun recovered on scene,” CPD spokesman Tom Ahern said, including a photo of the firearm and evidence marker on the ground.

Read more: https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/police-say-they-shot-and-killed-armed-13-year-old-boy-in-chicago/

[Aristus]

1. Which cop brought the 'drop-gun' to plant at the scene?

[BobTheSubgenius]

2. All of them, although there is nothing definitive on this particular firearm.

My question is: Is it up to that cop to replace his throw-down, or will anyone from the group that comes across another that can be lifted from a crime scene be honour-bound to do him a solid?

[Jedi Guy]

3. Oh brother...

[spike jones]

8. A quick search of police plant gun on victim, shows how common this is.

Police "work". Lying and framing.

[greenjar_01]

17. If you think 13 year olds aren't out in the Chicago night firing guns

You need a clue.

[Progressive Jones]

23. You are correct. And the area where this happened has very heavy street gang activity. nt

[Polybius]

30. None of them

n/t

[marble falls]

4. I wasn't there, but I know about the Chicago PD.

[greenjar_01]

16. Sometimes these kids are out here shooting, though

If you deny that, I'll just assume you don't know fuck all about Chicago.

In some neighborhoods, the gun shots sound all night. People who live here have heard more shots fired in anger than some Vietnam veterans, believe me.

[marble falls]

20. I wasn't there, but I know about the Chicago PD.

https://www.theroot.com/new-video-shows-students-account-of-what-chicago-police-1834010550

New Video Shows Student's Account of What Chicago Police Did to Her Was Exactly as Bad as She Said
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Anne Branigin
4/15/19 11:00AM
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The video, obtained by the Chicago Sun-Times on April 12, shows Chicago police pushing Dnigma Howard, a student at Marshall High School, and dragging her down the school’s stairwell. Shot by a school security camera, the footage also shows the two school resource officers, Johnnie Pierre and Sherry Trip, punching and stunning Dnigma with a Taser.

The video confirms Dnigma’s claims that she was attacked unprovoked by police, who earlier reported they were acting in self defense.

In a police report detailing the Jan. 29 incident, which allegedly stemmed from Dnigma getting kicked out of class for not putting her cell phone away, officers Pierre and Trip claimed Dnigma “became irate and initiated a physical altercation with the officers.” According to the report, Dnigma’s attempts to fight officers off caused all three to fall down a flight of stairs. But Dnigma has disputed that claim since the beginning, saying that she was pushed down the stairs and grabbed an officer’s vest as she was falling.


If anything, what the video shows is even worse than what Dnigma first described, with one of the officers dragging her down the stairs by one leg. As they stomp and punch Dnigma, students can be seen looking on.

-snip-

[greenjar_01]

21. Yes, Chicago PD can be bad

Gang members also shoot each other and random others all day every day.

You can post a million articles about bad CPD and that fact won't change. If you've ever lived next door to a gang house (I have) you won't glibly deny or distract from the fact that 13 year old kids are out here shooting up the damn city, and sometimes, they shoot at cops, and sometimes, cops make good shoots on them because they're in mortal danger. Have you ever grabbed your five year old daughter and ran with her to the interior bathroom because the gangs were popping shots right outside your window? No? Then post away. Chicago shit is real.

By the way, I'd sit in my backyard and smoke cigarettes and share beers with the same guys who were shooting at night. They have good sides, too. One guy used to give me tamales that his mom would make. Saw the same guy knock his girlfriend out cold in front of 30 Latin Kings in the backyard.

Life is complicated: a lesson for moralists.

[abqtommy]

5. ...

[Hugh Bloody Bastards]

6. If only the child had been trying to destroy the U.S. Capitol

It's past time I went to bed!

[OnlinePoker]

7. Where were the parents?

13 year old on the street at 2:35 am?

[lostnfound]

10. The article quotes his mother that he often sneaks out when she goes to sleep at night

[OnlinePoker]

12. For some reason, I can't open the article. n/t

[Marcus Pullarius]

9. my next question is,

what is a 13 year old boy doing out of his bed with a 21 year old man at 2:30 in the morning? (alley and gun aside). Tragic outcome aside, what is the whole story here? The cops have executed the victim, I fear.

[greenjar_01]

18. Well, yeah, he was a gang member, so...

He was very likely up to some crime, which is why they fled when the CPD pulled into the alley. None of this is hard or surprising, honestly.

He could have grown up to be anything, and would have likely left these days behind. It's a fucking tragedy. But let's not pretend that this kid - right now - in this moment, wasn't a fucking menace and a danger to his community. That's part of the tragedy. That's what makes it a tragedy, really. bad kid, good shoot, but could have been a good adult, bad shoot. It's fucking heartbreaking.

[Progressive Jones]

24. The area of Chicago where this happened has a lot of street gang activity. To tell you the truth,

this is not shocking to me. Disgusting, but not shocking.

This kid was probably a newly minted gang member, and he was out trying to make his bones.
The young ones are used to do hits on other gangs. The older ones don't want to get locked up.

[burrowowl]

11. Fishy, very rotten fishy!

[Dial H For Hero]

13. The word "armed" should not be in quotes.

I realize the OP is required to post the exact headline; my issue is not with them, but rather the author of the article.

When I first saw the headline, I thoght perhaps the teen was armed with an airsoft "gun" or perhaps a tire iron or somesuch. When carrying a handgun, one is indeed armed. There's no need to put the word in quotes.

The possibility that the gun was planted on the scene is a separate issue.

[lostnfound]

14. If a 13 year old is holding a gun and dies, the adults have failed

At what age do the police see the child as a child that they need to save from a tragedy as compared to only thinking about how to protect themselves?

If a 5 year old is waiving a gun, does a cop shoot first and call him armed?

A 9 year old? 11? 13?

If it is a 16 year old I’d say the cop might feel justified in defending themselves.
If it’s a 5 year old, you have utterly failed in your job as “hero”.

A 13 year old is not culpable enough to be shot on sight. Even with a gun in the hands. A 13 year old on the street with a gun in their hands is a tragedy. All of the adults are obliged to try to save the child’s life, even if it means risking their own.

[GulfCoast66]

19. Oh, I'm calling BS. I grew up hunting. Still do.

By 13 I was quite capable and actually had killed large animals. So a cop is supposed to approach a person, who they don’t know are 13 at the time and let them threaten them with a firearm? And try to talk them out of it? How many shots do they let them fire before they shoot back?

Look, I agree with much of your post. Our nation, not just to adults in the kids life failed the kid. And we all know black men are killed at the drop of a hat too often. That said, I don't expect cops to put up with threats to their life without responding. As long as the threats are real.

Something that really pisses me off is after the 2nd World War we flooded Europe with billions of dollars to help them rebuild their countries. Mainly white countries, I might add. But for most of my life we respond to our wrecked neighborhoods of color by sending in more cops and allowing the rampant poverty to deepen.

Poverty creates crime. It is proven.

[lostnfound]

28. Dark alley after midnight, cop may have had no way to know

There is nothing in the article that he was firing at them. Only that outs were fired earlier.

[greenjar_01]

15. Robbery spree in Evanston over the last two days...suspects aged 13-17

Operating out of a car stolen in Chicago, responsible for 10+ street robberies in broad daylight Evanston and Rogers Park.

Just saying, kids is out here doing their thing.

[JI7]

22. Have schools opened there yet ?

[Progressive Jones]

25. Sadly, a lot of these kids don't go to school when it IS open. nt

[sir pball]

33. This x1000. My sister is a HS teacher in Aurora

Not too far from Evanston. They have two buildings on campus, one for freshman and one for grades 10/11/12.

The freshman population is just about as large as the other three classes combined.

[Progressive Jones]

34. I believe it. Much of Aurora is a tough town. Gangs; drugs. Lure of the street.

BTW, Aurora and Evanston are 50-60 miles apart. Long commute, if she lives up in Evanston.
No fast way to get there. I live 20 miles due N/NW of Aurora, and 40 miles due W of Evanston.
It takes me forever to get to Evanston.

[Progressive Jones]

26. Thanks for your comments here, greenjar. I'm Chicago too, and know about it like you do. nt

[ancianita]

29. Obviously, Lightfoot's got a real police problem on her hands. Were their body cams working?

[greenjar_01]

31. Body cams captured the whole thing

[HalfSleeves81]

35. Gang and crime

She has a huge problem which she doesn't seem as Mayor to be able to get a hold of and isn't the police. She either ignores or explains away the ever growing gun crimes and robberies that don't show to ever be going away. It's almost the new acceptable norm.

[ancianita]

36. I hear you. But

no mayor before her has, either, really. Chicago fought against Heller tooth and nail. Now, gun deaths have been exposed during the lockdown and are mostly amplified by right wing media as a 'crooked, corrupt Chicago problem,' but I don't think she's giving up, just learning. Just my opinion.

[HalfSleeves81]

37. Gang and crime

The crimes being committed isn't right wing propaganda. Ask the average Joe on the street. We have teens shooting guns off, committing armed robberies, carjacking causing death....I mean we need to start facing some difficult decisions. We can't lose the good progress we have made. We need to have reforms while keeping people feeling safe. One does not need negate the other.

[ancianita]

38. Okay.

I used to think that schools were the make-or-break issue in Chicago (lived there 45 years) but I see now that your 'gang and crime' is her add-on. Thanks.

[HalfSleeves81]

41. Well.....

I hear ya....I grew up in NYC in the 80s when cops were heavy handed with the baton and crime was high as hell. Now comparable cops in this area are soft lol. The streets run NYC these days and most cops are checked out. I want a balance. Good cops, reforms, but I also want people who want to harm others taken off the street. Its like I'm a man without a home. The all or nothing pro cops don't want me bc I believe reforms are needed, and the defund police types don't want me bc I want police and at times they need to lay down the law. I mean we grew up with rough streets we know there are bad as hell people out there....its not candyland on these streets lol.

[ancianita]

42. I'm about to read Blood Gun Money by Ioan Grillo. And since you're from NYC, it might be

interesting to you. Anyway, it's because of something that stands out to me: the clear location difference in AR-15 assault weapons and handgun manufacturing and distribution. And the strategy of "following the guns."

I've known that NH and MA are the top two handgun manufacturing states since the Revolution, but that AR-15 assault weapons proliferate in border states really hit me (and I have family down there who have felt they needed one for protection against 'cowboys for trump') yet are still manufactured by Colt, just partnering with Česká zbrojovka Group (CZG), a holding company in Prague, for just "research and development' purposes. I snicker at the thought.

And where the hell is BATF and Homeland with all this 'trade' of arms. Still, even just knowing more about ways to follow the guns, and maybe how we can hold manufacturers responsible for "free market" death dealing, are ways to beat back white supremacist 'civil war' gun humpers.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/53138231-blood-gun-money

3rd book review in today's 'Shortlist' page: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/02/books/review/we-are-bellingcat-eliot-higgins-blood-gun-money-ioan-grillo.html?

[HalfSleeves81]

32. Teens with Guns are a reality

With the gun culture here, it's a reality we have teens with guns and they use them. They use them towards each other and anyone in between. Some are younger than many of you can imagine. Those of us who grew up in areas with this can attest.

[ancianita]

39. My experience in 2013 affirms that.

Held up behind my Hyde Park house by two teens with a loaded semi-auto Glock two inches from my chest.

[HalfSleeves81]

40. Exactly

When I see people shocked by a young teen with a gun, its clear to me they grew up in Mayberry lol.