Police: 8 dead in shooting at FedEx facility in Indianapolis

[Archae]

Source: WBAY, ABC affiliate in Green Bay

INDIANAPOLIS (AP) — A gunman killed eight people and wounded several others before apparently killing himself in a late-night shooting at a FedEx facility near the Indianapolis airport, police said, in the latest in a spate of mass shootings after a relative lull during the pandemic.

Five people were hospitalized after the Thursday night shooting, according to police. One of them had critical injuries, police spokesperson Genae Cook said. Another two people were treated and released at the scene. FedEx said people who worked for the company were among the dead.

Read more: https://www.wbay.com/2021/04/16/police-gunman-dead-multiple-shot-at-fedex-facility/

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Just shaking my head...

[jmbar2]

1. I wish they'd just kill themselves first

and leave everyone else out of it.

[berniesandersmittens]

11. ✔

[BobTheSubgenius]

38. I've long thought that that would be a good trial run.

Check it out, see if it's for you.

FJC So now "Going FedEx" is a thing? F'ing hell.

[heckles65]

2. That's not how it works.

[Archae]

3. That's not how what works?

What do you mean?

[PatrickforB]

4. More guns keeping us all safe. nt

[Hassin Bin Sober]

39. An armed society is a polite society.

- just in case

[AngryOldDem]

5. Live in Indy area

This happened around 11 last night and families are still at a nearby Holiday Inn waiting for word. One woman interviewed on local news said phone numbers given out by FedEx have been unhelpful.

This is the bottom line. If we — as a country and a society — and our lawmakers have decided that our “right” to bear arms is so all-powerful and untouchable, then this is the tradeoff we have to accept. So just stop with the thoughts and prayers, shock, hand-wringing, and tears. This is who we are. Our best chance at gun reform died with the kids at Sandy Hook. Just this week two Indiana State senators introduced a resolution reaffirming the second amendment as an inviolate right, and I’m sure another one will be coming mourning the deaths of these workers. This is bullshit.

That said...employees there cannot bring their cellphones on the floor. Policy. Another outrage. No way to call 911 when something happens, or to let loved ones know later that they’re okay. Innocent people are unarmed on every damn level.

This is fucked up on so many levels, but this country only has itself to blame.

[Evolve Dammit]

9. Good post. I agree. This is who we are now. Is facism far behind? Almost lost democracy Jan.6 IMHO.

[LittleGirl]

16. Used to live in NE Indy.

One of the first things I had to do was drop off hubby at the new airport that wasn’t on our navigation system. I got lost trying to find it.

I hear you.

[Loge23]

27. The popular definition of insanity

We all know the saying - and it's past time to acknowledge that the country has gone insane.
Gun violence is a daily fact of life and a career criminal fraud/conman was President of the country - and is still influential to some!

We're hopelessly lost. Joe is great, but the insanity is just too widespread in this country.

[Harker]

48. I feel as though some of us definitely have others to blame.

I'm not entirely sure that we live in the same country as they do.

[AllyCat]

6. The well-regulated militia strikes again

[twodogsbarking]

7. Slaughtering first graders didn't change things.

What will?

[SoCalDavidS]

8. Nothing Will

On to the next one.....

[AngryOldDem]

10. When even horse sense policies...

...like background checks, gun show regulations, waiting periods, assault weapon laws, etc.. are legislated and gun-lobbied out of existence, the short answer is:

Nothing.

[Warpy]

20. Guns make powerless people feel powerful

That's really the bottom line here.

Power has been taken away from the people and lavished on the rich and the corporate. Their hired goons in Congress govern against our will, Their hired goons in the street treat us like enemy insurgents.

No wonder people are buying semi auto killing machines with hazy ideas of taking their power back. No, those little popguns won't do a damned thing against drone missiles and tanks, it's all an illusion. That illusion is what too many are clinging to right now.

We can't get rid of the guns without getting rid of the 2A and we can't get rid of that without taking our power back from oligarchy.

So get used to it, people, because that's where we're at right now.

[joetheman]

55. a Senate with 75 progressives under the age of 60. That will change things.

[twodogsbarking]

60. Well played.

I applaud.

[Blues Heron]

12. time to use some correction fluid on the ole parchement o rules AKA expunge the 2a

this experiment in 2a freedom has been - wait for it - a total fucking failure. Time to fix it and move on.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

13. There is a tool available to expunge the 2A in the Constitution,

First you have to get 2/3rds of the Congress to even convene a Constitutional Convention, then you have to get 2/3rds of the Congress to pass any change to the Constitution/BoR and 3/4ths of the States to ratify the change, which, in essence means that 13 states can end any change to the Constitution/BoR.

Just where do you see 2/3rds of the Congress and 3/4ths of the States voting to abolish the 2A?

[Blues Heron]

14. when the people wake up what you laid out could easily happen

things aren't always going to be the way they are now politically. Might take a while though I'll give you that...

[MarineCombatEngineer]

15. A while as in not going to happen, at least not in my, or my children's children's

lifetime either I suspect.

Things need to change, no doubt about that, but trying to abolish the 2A is, IMHO, the wrong way to go.

I'm not a fan of firearms, after a career in the Armed Forces, I just don't want them around me or in my home/truck, but, that being said, I have no truck with lawful citizens owning firearms.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

61. Chances are the guy who just shot up the FedEx facility was a lawful gun owner. Until he wasn't.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

63. Everyone is lawful, until they ain't. nt

[IbogaProject]

28. Actually four ways to change The Constitution

Actually there are four ways to change The Constitution.
There were almost enough state legislatures to call a convention.
No clear copyable tax. It is basically two ways to initiate and two ways to ratify.
2/3 of both Senate & Congress or 2/3 of state Legislatures, which was perioulously close against us before 2018. And then either 3/4 state legislatures or 3/4 state conventions.
So yes very tough.

[Calista241]

46. A Constitutional Convention would be by far the most risky way to do things.

Can you imagine if a balanced budget was a Constitutional requirement? They could also declare English as our official language, or Christianity as our official religion.

No other body, no courts, no nothing would have any oversight of the convention either. Whatever they decided would be the law of the land. The last time we had a convention, in 1787, they met for the express purpose of revising the Articles of Confederation. What came out of that meeting was the Constitution we have today. They vastly exceeded their mandate.

Given the current political makeup of the states, and the convention's ability to write its own rules, they could almost do whatever they wanted and the rest of us would just have to go along.

[IronLionZion]

26. Or have courts enforce "a well regulated militia"

instead of being stuck on "shall not be infringed".

[hack89]

37. Too late. Heller makes that argument moot. Nt

[hack89]

40. The 2A allows strict gun control

Read Heller. AWBs, registration, limits on magazine size, storage and training requirements are all perfectly constitutional. The problem is not legal it is political and cultural.

[Blues Heron]

42. I think it's a numbers issue i.e we're awash in guns

some things are fine in small numbers, but as the actual numbers of people and guns ramp up, bad things start to happen more frequently until one day you start seeing massacres on a daily basis and wonder - how the fuck did the 2a get us to this shitty bullet infested reality we're in. No other country would put up with this for a minute, and neither should we.

[gab13by13]

17. I remember back in the day,

when a person couldn't own an assault rifle. The main reason was to protect law enforcement from bad guys having better weapons than they had. I remember only being allowed to own a shotgun that was limited to 3 shells. I remember that it wasn't easy to get a concealed carry permit, you had to have a good reason. I remember when certain types of bullets were banned because they were so deadly. I remember when I hunted I had 2 deer rifles and 2 22's and 1 shotgun. When I quit hunting I got rid of my guns. I remember when people didn't feel the need to take a rifle grocery shopping.
I had a blogger tell me that he keeps loaded guns throughout his house. I asked him why he was so afraid. His answer was that he wasn't afraid because he had loaded guns all over. Hmm.

How did people ever survive back then? I have a theory that back then our mommies let us keep our binkies longer than today's mommies allow.

[PatSeg]

29. And it doesn't feel like that long ago either

I knew very few people who owned guns aside from those for hunting. Owning handguns meant a lot of red tape and paperwork and was quite rare. I never thought I'd see the day where people could go into a store carrying military style weapons or even a state legislature. It seems to have changed very quickly, I suppose after the assault weapons ban expired?

It really feels like we are living in some bizarre alternate reality.

[Dial H For Hero]

36. I remember the the day differently than you do.

when a person couldn't own an assault rifle

I'm not going to be pedantic, I presume you mean a semiautomatic rifle with a large magazine. The AR-15 has been on the market since 1964. You could get an M1 Carbine with a 30 round magazine in the 1950's, and you could order a fully automatic Thompson submachinegun through the mail in 1934, The Winchester 1907 rifle (which debuted in, not surprisingly, 1907) coulc be had with 10, 15, and 20 round magazines.

i remember only being allowed to own a shotgun that was limited to 3 shells.

That rule only applies to the use of shotguns for hunting migratory wildfowl. Most shotguns back in the day actually held 5 shells in the magazine. One head to insert a "plug" into the magazine when hunting such animals to be legal, but there has never been a law restricting magazines to 3 shells.

I remember that it wasn't easy to get a concealed carry permit, you had to have a good reason.

You're quite correct on this one. 40 years ago, few few states make it east to get a permit. Now, only a handful states have such restrictions....and in 19 states, one doesn't even need a permit!

I remember when certain types of bullets were banned because they were so deadly.

I'm not sure what you're speaking of here. There are a couple of states that restridt hollow poiont ammunition, and armor piercing ammuntion has some federal limitations (it's legal to own, I have a bunch myself) but licesnsed dealers normally can't sell it, making it scarce.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

41. Very informative.

After a career in the Armed Forces, I have no desire to own any firearms, but I have no problem with lawful citizens having firearms.
I do oppose open carry except in certain circumstances, hunting, hiking, etc,. it causes too much angst, especially in our current environment, if one wants to carry a firearm, then get a CWP, out of sight, out of mind.

[Dial H For Hero]

58. I'm against open carry except in the cirfcumstances you mention as well. Just carry concealed.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

18. Isn't it nice to see life getting back to normal?

I mean, for a year we heard of hardly any mass shootings, and now they're back to a couple of times a week or more.

I hope I don't need the sarcasm thingy here.

[niyad]

21. Actually, we are at our average of 3 every two days. We just don't hear about many of them.

ONEHUNDRED FIFTY mass shootings, 188 dead, 529 wounded.(mass shooting defined as four or mor wounded or killed, including shooter). It is the 106 day of the year.

[SheltieLover]

31. Right!

Quite a regular occurrence in Memphs region.

[PatSeg]

30. And I was actually getting used to living

in a world where there weren't mass shootings in the news almost daily. Guess I should have known it couldn't last.

[Traildogbob]

47. This morning

On CNN a map was shown pinpointing 40+ mass shootings in the last 30 days. We don’t even hear about 85+ percent of the shooting with
in a one month period.
No outrage from prolifers on this or the fact 45 percent of them refuse vaccine or adhere to safety precautions from virus. Like Auntie Maxine says so eloquently, “Shut your mouth” prolife idiots, and gun humpers.

[IbogaProject]

19. Well regulated militia

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

The phrase begins with Well Regulated. And lets go originalist (which I lothe) bullets didn't exist until almost the middle of the nineteenth century. The 2nd amendment only envisions muskets & front loaded cannons.

I say all gun owners have to get insurance and for them to be required part of a militia that has some collective skin in the game.

[AngryOldDem]

22. True intent behind "militia."

Revolutionary-era leaders did not want a standing army — they favored citizen mlitias that could be raised as circumstances dictated.

This amendment has been so misunderstood and taken out of context that I wish it could be radically amended, if not outrightly repealed. That’s not possible. But it is more of a blight than an expression of a right or freedom to a society centuries removed from the 1790s.

[AndyS]

25. More of a blight than a right. I'm stealing that, thank you.nt

[Crowman2009]

34. They tried using militias while fighting native americans in what is now the great lakes.

...states. The militias got their asses handed to them, hence why the US Army was started up again in the late 1790's.

[HighFired49]

43. Exactly!!

Since being a new country in the 1790s, the states/Feds. didn't have the money to arm militias, and when they needed them, the members were required to bring their own weapons. In some towns, where the Indians were a constant threat, the men were even required to own muskets to protect their inhabitants. Now that we have a standing military and various police forces, militias are no longer required, and are in fact illegal in all 50 states. I think that the only way to rid ourselves of this blight is to use the "well regulated militia" part of the 2nd Amend. to justify getting rid of it entirely.

Maybe we could look closely at other countries' gun laws to see how we might fix ours. I know that the most salient difference is our 2nd Amendment, but maybe we could base new laws on the "regulated militia" portion of the amendment. I don't know what the answer is to this tragic mess, but we desperately need to fix it.

[Paladin]

23. I switched channels when the mayor came on.

Same old "what a horrible thing/we'll get through this because we're a strong community/thanks to the heroic first responders" bullshit.

I intend on doing the same channel-switching for the upcoming 30 or 40 mass shootings. Then, when 2022 rolls around, maybe I'll change my routine. But I doubt it.

[MarcA]

51. Would like to see an official say we are a weak community/nation

after one of these events and then just walk off.

[Paladin]

54. "We are a weak, radicalized, gun-clustered nation...

...and this shit is just going to keep happening, over and over and over again. Advance, meaningless, half-hearted expressions of sympathy to the families of the dead in future shootings. I've got a bottle of scotch that needs my attention."

Now that sort of public statement from a government official would meet with my approval.

[Bayard]

24. Our founding fathers would be appalled at this carnage

Its not what they had in mind.

Funny how the Constitution is sacred for some things, and not others--like that life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness thingy.

[Snackshack]

32. "after a relative lull during the pandemic."

I remember talking with a peer at work right around the end of Feb beginning of March about how there had not been any of these lately...

8 people dead...GFD. These people were just living their lives. They got up yesterday, went to go work the night shift at the airport FedEx, sorting packages or loading pods or planes or doing maintenance or facilities work...who knows...just doing what they do to survive...and some a@@hole who’s pissed/frustrated or whatever the fuck their problem is has to take their lives. Why can’t these phuckers just take out their 💩 on themselves and let others be...WTF.

[MyMission]

33. I've got a few thoughts and things to say about this topic

I note that we've seen a significant increase of mass shootings in recent months, since the insurrection and the vaccine rollout. Families, places of business, not schools yet

Part of me has wondered if the crazies are being encouraged to act up, display their rage and frustration, like sleeper cells being activated.

Another part of me understands that many crazies are already filled with rage and frustration, and many don't need encouragement to express it with their guns.

Then there's the rhetoric surrounding this issue. We do need better gun control in this country.

But the "right" has been defending their rights by focusing on mental health, which is actually a big part of this problem. Lots of crazies with guns (lots without them too) means we need to find the crazy needles in the haystacks before they cause damage. And we need to take action.

Many actions need to be taken. Many guns need to be withheld or removed from dangerous crazy people. How do we identify them when our health system and mental health services are not cohesive or barely functional? What do we do when we identify them?

I feel we need many facets and facilities to address and handle this, including more mental institutions. The raygun conservatives aren't in power any more, the ones who let the crazies loose on society and enabled them. If the current ones are blaming gun violence on mental health, we (and they) certainly need to address this issue. Treatment, or lock them up! If they're locked away they won't have access to guns. Maybe they will move in this direction.

Maybe the conservatives that are blaming mental illness for the mass shootings will realize there are a lot of people who have serious mental health issues and something major needs to be done. They'd never admit they were fomenting anger and rage or desperation, which too often leads to gun violence. They'd never agree to increased funding for mental health screenings and treatment, but they're not in charge at the moment. The majority would need to agree on how and when to remove guns from the crazies and how to prevent the crazies from acquiring them.

Again, I believe we need serious gun control legislation, like registering, inspecting, and insuring cars and drivers. Drivers need eye exams, but don't need mental health screenings (yet) even though motor vehicles are lethal weapons, and we've seen cars plowed into crowds in recent years. We don't have or use mental health screenings, which is the direction the rethugs arguments are taking us.

Whenever these acts of gun violence happen, which is far too often, these thoughts go through and around my head. There are a lot of disturbed people out there, and even more after a year of dealing with covid. Lots of people are hitting their breaking points.

I now fear that as we reopen this summer we will see more gun violence in public venues, which concerns and troubles me. It's fear of gun violence that will keep me away from concerts and theatres and malls, not fear of covid.

This is a huge problem that will not magically disappear. It needs a multi pronged solution.
Gun legislation and mental health services are at the core of the problem and solution.

[bdamomma]

45. I certainly

agree with your last comment. Both are failing and Americans are being killed from it. Mental Health issues and the continuous lack of gun legislation needs to come to urgent resolution to stop this onslaught of Americans being killed or it's going to continue.

It is maddening.

[Marthe48]

35. 8 more dead in a mass shooting

But I'm losing count of individuals killed by cops.

[bdamomma]

44. Cops killing unarmed black American men

and people who are in some dire need of settling their scores have to kill numerous people with their precious AR's are mentally unstable. We are a mess in this country.

[MarcA]

49. Supposedly federal and local law enforcement had been aware

of this dangerous person. His family had even reported him as dangerous
and not just before the shooting. Yet, Nothing Was Done! We either start
investigating and where necessary banishing such people from society Or
this will increase.

[boycott_gun_sellers]

50. If you don't like this...

then stop shopping at retailers that sell guns. That helps keep guns widespread.

[AZLD4Candidate]

52. Where was the good guy with the gun the NRA claims we need?

Maybe they don't exists because this it's a John Wayne, Die Hard, Death Wish. or Dirty Harry movie. This is real life.

[Crunchy Frog]

62. He got shot. At least according to what I saw.

[AZLD4Candidate]

64. You mean real life isn't a cowboy movie or an action movie where writers can make the "hero"

into superman, like Die Hard? You're kidding. Well, I'm shocked.

[calimary]

53. Had enough, yet, America?

And btw, HOW MANY mass shootings is this - just in the last few weeks? Just in this month? And hey, all you gunners-with-grievances out there, April's only halfway over, 'eh?

[ExTex]

56. After they come for your guns they will come for your flamethrower...

Also legal (with some restrictions) in all 50 states.

God, what a country.

[Dial H For Hero]

57. And legel with considerably less paperwork than an ordinry firearm, I might add.

[Devil Child]

59. Another fucking incel domestic terrorist n/t