Marjorie Taylor Greene launching 'America First' caucus pushing for 'anglo-Saxon political tradition
Source: CNN
Washington (CNN)Conservative Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene is launching a new "America First" caucus, her office confirmed Friday, bringing together a group of far-right lawmakers known for their controversial rhetoric.
Punchbowl News obtained a flier promoting the new caucus, which calls for a "common respect for uniquely Anglo-Saxon political traditions" and pushes a series of conspiracy theories about election integrity. The flier also outlined a nativist argument warning that "mass immigration" poses a threat to "the long-term existential future of America as a unique country with a unique culture and a unique identity."
A spokesperson for Greene, Nick Dyer, complained about the initial draft of the flier being leaked but confirmed to CNN in a statement that plans were in the works to form the group, which will be, "announced to the public very soon."
Embattled GOP Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida, who is under federal investigation over allegations involving sex trafficking and prostitution, tweeted Friday, "I'm proud to join @mtgreenee in the #AmericaFirst Caucus. We will end wars, stop illegal immigration & promote trade that is fair to American workers. This is just a hit piece from the America Last crowd in Big Media, Big Tech & Big Government."
Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/16/politics/marjorie-taylor-greene-america-first-caucus/index.html
Just what we need.
More nazis.
bluestarone
(16,959 posts)SharonAnn
(13,776 posts)LakeArenal
(28,819 posts)Anglo-Saxon invasion of ancient Britain around 1500 years ago. After the invaders arrived, they effectively ethnically cleansed the Celts from what is now England, replacing at least half the indigenous men.
Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg17523502-700-saxon-hordes-ousted-celts/#ixzz6sFEWgpkt
Sounds about right.
Botany
(70,511 posts)Gonna drive the Celtic People from America.
EndlessWire
(6,536 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,320 posts)eg another New Scientist article from 2015, saying 10 to 40%: https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22530134-300-ancient-invaders-transformed-britain-but-not-its-dna/
Up to 38% in Eastern England, with lower figures as you go west: https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10408
'Celts' is a fuzzy concept for people too - applicable to languages, but it's now thought there wasn't a "Celtic people" who were related, though a certain amount of culture spread around those who spoke the languages. Genetically, there are similarities between the populations of the west coast of the British Isles and the west coast of Iberia, but not particularly with the areas around the Alps that were also Celtic-speaking.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celts
Mysterian
(4,587 posts)I'm sorry but that statement is grossly incorrect.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,320 posts)Obviously it's not "grossly incorrect".
Mysterian
(4,587 posts)You seem to be misinterpreting something from your deep wikipedia research.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,320 posts)No, it's mainstream. See, for instance:
https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2015-03-19-who-do-you-think-you-really-are-genetic-map-british-isles
"Although people from Cornwall have a Celtic heritage, genetically they are much, much more similar to the people elsewhere in England than they are to the Welsh for example," said Prof Donnelly.
"People in South Wales are also quite different genetically to people in north Wales, who are both different in turn to the Scots. We did not find a single genetic group corresponding to the Celtic traditions in the western fringes of Britain."
The finding is the first genetic evidence to confirm what some archaeologists have long been arguing: that Celts represent a tradition or culture rather than a genetic or racial grouping.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-31905764
Or:
But try as they might, researchers so far havent found anyone, living or dead, with a distinct Celtic genome. The ancient Celts got their name from Greeks who used Celt as a label for barbarian outsidersthe diverse Celtic-speaking tribes who, starting in the late Bronze Age, occupied territory from Portugal to Turkey. Its a hard question who the Celts are, says population geneticist Stephan Schiffels of the Max Planck Institute for the Science of Human History in Jena, Germany.
Bodmers team traced the ancestry of 2039 people whose families have lived in the same parts of Scotland, Northern Ireland, and Wales since the 19th century. These people form at least nine genetic and geographic clusters, showing that after their ancestors arrived in those regions, they put down roots and married their neighbors. But the clusters themselves are of diverse origin, with close ties to people now in Germany, Belgium, and France. Celtic is a cultural definition, Bodmer says. It has nothing to do with hordes of people coming from somewhere else and replacing people.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/05/theres-no-such-thing-pure-european-or-anyone-else
It's notable that the Greeks and Romans did not use Keltoi or Galli to refer to anyone in the British Isles - those were used for people on the continent. The Hiberni and Britanni, or Albiones, were the names for those of the islands.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=f899xH_quaMC&pg=PA846
Keltoi was the name given by the Ancient Greeks to a 'barbaric' (in their eyes) people who lived to the north of them in central Europe. While early Irish art shows some similarities of style to central European art of the Keltoi, historians have also recognized many significant differences between the two cultures.
Recent research into Irish DNA at the beginning of the twenty-first century suggests that the early inhabitants of Ireland were not directly descended from the Keltoi of central Europe. Genome sequencing performed on remains of early settlers in Ireland by researchers at Trinity University in Dublin and Queens University has revealed at least two waves of migration to the island in past millennia. Analysis of the remains of a 5,200 year-old Irish farmer suggested that the population of Ireland at that time was closely genetically related to the modern-day populations of southern Europe, especially Spain and Sardinia. Her ancestors, however, originally migrated from the Middle East, the cradle of agriculture.
Meanwhile, the research team also examined the remains of three 4,000 year-old men from the Bronze Age and revealed that another wave of migration to Ireland had taken place, this time from the edges of Eastern Europe. One third of their ancestry came from the Steppe region of Russia and Ukraine, so their ancestors must have gradually spread west across Europe. These remains, found on Rathlin Island also shared a close genetic affinity with the Scottish, Welsh, and modern Irish, unlike the earlier farmer. This suggests that many people living in Ireland today have genetic links to people who were living on the island at least 4,000 years ago.
https://owlcation.com/stem/Irish-Blood-Genetic-Identity
Mysterian
(4,587 posts)"Celts' is a fuzzy concept for people too - applicable to languages, but it's now thought there wasn't a "Celtic people" who were related, though a certain amount of culture spread around those who spoke the languages."
That is a grossly incorrect statement. You cited genetic studies involving only the British Isles. Genetics is mostly irrelevant when it comes to defining what compromises a people or society. Celtic peoples inhabited Europe and Asia Minor for centuries before they migrated from the continent. The Celts shared a language, religious beliefs, traditions and culture. The most fundamental thing that defines a specific society is a common language. Your incorrect statement seemingly writes off language as unimportant. It's unsurprising that any societal group of an island shows genetic diversity, but genetics is really not important when examining a society.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,320 posts)Well, that's the point of "there wasn't a "Celtic people" who were related", isn't it? They shared a family of languages (in the British Isles alone there were the Goedelic and Brittonic groups, even before the Romans arrived; there's a lot of difference between Welsh and Gaelic. What Pictish was like is still unclear, though it's agreed it was Brittonic, but it wasn't just Welsh, despite being on the same island). English and German are in one family of languages, but that doesn't mean speakers understand both. Celtic religious beliefs aren't that well understood, and we can't claim they all shared the same ones.
Mysterian
(4,587 posts)of the Goths, Vandals, Slavs, etc. The Celts were no more "fuzzy" or unrelated than any other Indo-European people. The history of the Celts did not begin and end in the British Isles.
secondwind
(16,903 posts)What are Anglo-Saxon characteristics?
They were strong, intelligent, tactful, courageous, and willing to sacrifice all for glory and their people. The heroic traits of the literary characters in Beowulf, "The Wanderer," "Dream of the Rood," and The 13th Warrior both define and set the standard for the Anglo-Saxon hero.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)wnylib
(21,481 posts)customs like determining guilt or innocence through duels and dunking stools instead of courts. Or punishments like pillories and stocks. Torture for confessions.
What's so "unique" about Anglo Saxon culture in the US? It's not like we're the only country in history founded by Brits.
What is unique about us is our open embracement of multiple ethnicities, races, and cultures. All societies have had ethnic, racial, and cultural mixes to some extent. But the US is founded on such mixtures. We have failed to completely live up to that principle and still do, but the principle is there to believe in, fight for, and unite us.
Division is for arithmetic classes.
rickyhall
(4,889 posts)And the top ones are some of the dumbest, what a surprise.
Demnation
(391 posts)DeSmet
(257 posts)I fear this MGT is going to be a farce to be reckoned with.
ProudMNDemocrat
(16,786 posts)And we know how batshit crazy she was.
pazzyanne
(6,556 posts)YoshidaYui
(41,831 posts)of crazy people take over and overwhelm the GRAND OLDE "Dead" party. The GOP are NOW dead inside and out.
orangecrush
(19,570 posts)And welcome to D.U..
Politicub
(12,165 posts)And, even better, she's bringing down a bunch of people with her.
I am thinking of dropping her a note of thanks for all of the content she's providing for mid-term ads; it complements the overwhelming amount of footage from the Jan. 6 insurrection.
Haggard Celine
(16,846 posts)The KKK has for at least a century talked about Anglo-Saxon heritage in their literature and their speakers used to bring it up frequently. I don't know if they still do it so much, since there are so many varieties of 'white' people who are getting involved in this alt-right movement. I've noticed, for instance, a lot of Spanish surnames mixed in with all the others in organizations like the Proud Boys. The Klan wouldn't have allowed them to join years ago, since the Klan was anti-Catholic as well as anti-Jewish, anti-black, etc. But MTG is, I believe, affiliated with the Klan. This Anglo-Saxon talk is just a dog whistle meant for them to hear.
djacq
(1,634 posts)Aristus
(66,380 posts)Which, like Anglo-Saxon, doesn't mean quite what they think it means. But they know the buzz-words and dog-whistles, and they're going to use them...
IcyPeas
(21,884 posts)Like even to England? Does she read books? I read she was being tutored on the government because she has/had no idea how it works.
bucolic_frolic
(43,173 posts)In the 70s they called them WASP White Anglo-Saxon Protestant.
Laha
(407 posts)But the last time I said it here I got in trouble.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,010 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)Stuart G
(38,428 posts)Not the smartest move by not the smartest person....
SamsDrink
(50 posts)KS Toronado
(17,249 posts)kimbutgar
(21,155 posts)She is so obviously a white supremist . No more fake talking points just state what you really are all about margarine idiot?
You are a bigot.
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)Let's see how "pure" her heritage is.
4Q2u2
(1,406 posts)All simple minded inbreeders.
Harker
(14,020 posts)Jon King
(1,910 posts)Yawn, desperately seeking attention. The clown isn't even able to serve on any committees. Completely powerless.
ProudMNDemocrat
(16,786 posts)No Catholics, PoC allowed.That means Kevin McCarthy.
speak easy
(9,259 posts)We know where this train is heading.
EarlG
(21,949 posts)alittlelark
(18,890 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,173 posts)ShazzieB
(16,412 posts)carpetbagger
(4,391 posts)Scots-Irish. I recommend Neil Oliver's documentary Who put the Klan into Ku Klux Klan.
stevil
(1,537 posts)Kuklos means circle/cycle in Greek tho....
alittlelark
(18,890 posts)N America was inhabited by 50+ million Natives before her kind came along.
Her ideology is better suited to Germany circa 1930
AZ8theist
(5,470 posts)Explains a lot.
NoMoreRepugs
(9,433 posts)Ford_Prefect
(7,901 posts)One good cult begets another?
With any luck at all that term or title has already been copyrighted.
cactusfractal
(496 posts)Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)dflprincess
(28,079 posts)and one of them kept going on & on about "Anglo Saxon this" and "Anglo Saxon that". This particular jerk had an Irish last name.
Finally, Donahue sighed, and broke it to him that the Irish weren't Anglo Saxon, but Celts (this was the theory at the time). I seem to recall the guy just staring at Donahue like his world had just shattered. Then Donahue added something like "It doesn't make me happy having to admit we're descended from the same people."
KS Toronado
(17,249 posts)reQublicans are attracted to their kind of leadership, "All Hat No Cattle"
monkeyman1
(5,109 posts)mwooldri
(10,303 posts)I want Norman... Err Normal politics. Not people who believe in the misrepresentation of King Cnut (Canute).
catchnrelease
(1,945 posts)RainCaster
(10,880 posts)Yes, that's the Douche bag Rednecks Party. Because DRP is just not enough to explain how these people function.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,563 posts)Uhhhh....yeah. FML There was a time, not so long ago, when people felt the need to mitigate their racism somehow. They are getting bolder and bolder.
Evolve Dammit
(16,736 posts)lonely bird
(1,685 posts)That came from the Greeks.
DBoon
(22,366 posts)Hwæt! We Gardena in geardagum,
þeodcyninga, þrym gefrunon,
hu ða æþelingas ellen fremedon.
Oft Scyld Scefing sceaþena þreatum,
Warpy
(111,267 posts)That's a rhetorical question, sorry.
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)Chicago1980
(1,968 posts)FakeNoose
(32,641 posts)So many rubes, so little time!
TomDaisy
(1,874 posts)Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)I scared the cat.
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mac2766
(658 posts)We need to get this woman talking in front of people as often as possible so that her crazy will be exposed. She's a wing-ding in a crowd of wing-dings.
JohnnyRingo
(18,635 posts)Red MAGA armbands, and why shouldn't they? They have no sense of shame anymore.
electric_blue68
(14,906 posts)LudwigPastorius
(9,150 posts)can kiss my ass.
raccoon
(31,111 posts)Probably had to explain it to her.
Solly Mack
(90,769 posts)"14 Words" is a reference to the most popular white supremacist slogan in the world:
"We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children."
Fortinbras Armstrong
(4,473 posts)It's an air-horn
Harker
(14,020 posts)has given her a little free time to use destructively in other ways.
Being obscenely obnoxious gets her the attention she craves.
kimbutgar
(21,155 posts)Her and all those others who spew vile stuff in the kkk caucus.
Bayard
(22,075 posts)And they're going to let Gaetz in, who is under investigation for sex trafficking. There's your values.
They have no right to use the word, America, in their title. Should be, Racists First.
SomewhereInTheMiddle
(285 posts)Does she mean a monarchy, feudal nobility, or the Witenaġemot? None of those are particularly unique (and the last one reminds me too much of Harry Potter. She's a Witch!)
Sorry. I did not see this was three months old.
Akoto
(4,266 posts)If I were to support the idea in any way, then I'd say Native Americans have first dibs on what American politics should look like. I do not, however, believe in her idea at all (per usual).
This country was originally built by people of many different ethnic backgrounds, and they have only become more diverse over two centuries and change. Rather than existing in seclusion from each other, they've blended together into one political tradition which is simply American. You can't justify any ethnicity as traditionally American, and you couldn't from the start.
llashram
(6,265 posts)treasonous seditionist, no matter her congressional cover.