Biden calls mass killing of Armenians a 'genocide' in break with previous presidents
Source: Washington Post
President Biden recognized the massacre of Armenians by the Ottoman Empire in 1915 as a genocide Saturday, a designation that U.S. presidents long avoided for fear of damaging the U.S.-Turkey relationship. The decision follows a lengthy lobbying campaign by members of Congress and Armenian American groups eager to see the White House use a term embraced by many scholars of early 20th century history.
Historians estimate that 1.5 million Armenians were killed in a campaign of forced marches and mass killings born out of Ottoman concerns that the Christian Armenian population would align with Russia during World War I, abetting an arch-nemesis of the Ottoman Turks. Turkey has acknowledged that many Armenians were killed in fighting with Ottoman forces in 1915 but disputes the larger casualty counts, denies that the events constituted genocide and considers such claims a slander against its founder, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk.
The move comes amid worsening relations between the United States and Turkish President Recep Tayyip over Turkeys purchases of Russian military equipment, human rights abuses and interventions in Syria and Libya. Biden called Erdogan on Friday, but a White House readout of the conversation did not mention the 1915 massacres. Biden conveyed his interest in a constructive bilateral relationship with expanded areas of cooperation and effective management of disagreements, the statement said.
The Turkish readout of the call said Erdogan raised his objections about U.S. support for Kurdish forces in Syria, whom Turkey considers terrorists, and the case of Fethullah Gulen, a religious leader who lives in exile in the United States. It also did not mention the massacre of Armenians. Bidens recognition comes on April 24, the date Ottomans seized Armenian dignitaries in Istanbul in 1915 in what many scholars view as the opening phase of the first genocide of the 20th century. Armenian American groups hailed the long sought move.
Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/armenia-genocide-biden-turkey/2021/04/24/b0f2394a-a46a-11eb-8a6d-f1b55f463112_story.html
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,440 posts)of the "Middle Passage" and "Trail of Tears" (and other atrocities barely taught in history) as being "genocide" in the U.S. But I digress.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)DBoon
(22,397 posts)no assistance for the ongoing poisoning caused by agent orange
Aristus
(66,460 posts)But Vietnam seems to be doing all right. A classmate of mine from PA School married a Vietnamese national, and lives there six months out of the year.
He loves it. He says Vietnam is so beautiful, you can't quite believe your eyes. The people are warm, friendly, and kind, and the cost of living is almost absurdly low.
BumRushDaShow
(129,440 posts)was pass legislation to allow immigration from Vietnam to the U.S. after the war, where with several generations, there are over 1 million here now.
There is also this (recently updated) - https://www.state.gov/u-s-relations-with-vietnam/
Bilateral Relations Fact Sheet
Bureau of East Asian and Pacific Affairs
April 9, 2021
Vietnam remains heavily contaminated by explosive remnants of war, primarily in the form of unexploded ordnance (UXO) including extensive contamination by cluster munitions dating from the war with the United States. The United States is the largest single donor to UXO/mine action in Vietnam, contributing more than $140 million since 1994, and the two countries signed a memorandum of understanding on continued unexploded ordnance cooperation in December 2013. U.S. efforts to address legacy issues such as UXO/demining, MIA accounting, and remediation of Agent Orange provided the foundations for the U.S.-Vietnam defense relationship. The United States and Vietnam are committed to strengthening defense cooperation between the two countries as outlined in the Memorandum of Understanding on Advancing Bilateral Defense Cooperation in 2011 and the U.S.-Vietnam Joint Vision Statement on Defense Relations signed in 2015, giving priority to humanitarian cooperation, war legacy issues, maritime security, peacekeeping, and humanitarian assistance and disaster relief.
Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for my 40 acres and a mule.
DURHAM D
(32,611 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,440 posts)since this is just breaking.
DURHAM D
(32,611 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,440 posts)LiberalLovinLug
(14,176 posts)My gawd he might cause some kind of sanctions by Turkey affecting their business! Much bigger market in Turkey than the dispossessed repressed smaller community of their fellow Armenians.
I kept waiting for them to use their (undeserved) insta-wealth and social influence to help the cause of their persecuted fellow ethnic countrypeople. To raise awareness whenever their plight came up in the news. But no.
oldsoftie
(12,597 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)spike jones
(1,686 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)JI7
(89,264 posts)TheProle
(2,198 posts)A courageous and principled stand.
seta1950
(933 posts)I am very happy our President did this for us
George II
(67,782 posts)APRIL 24, 2021 STATEMENTS AND RELEASES
Each year on this day, we remember the lives of all those who died in the Ottoman-era Armenian genocide and recommit ourselves to preventing such an atrocity from ever again occurring. Beginning on April 24, 1915, with the arrest of Armenian intellectuals and community leaders in Constantinople by Ottoman authorities, one and a half million Armenians were deported, massacred, or marched to their deaths in a campaign of extermination. We honor the victims of the Meds Yeghern so that the horrors of what happened are never lost to history. And we remember so that we remain ever-vigilant against the corrosive influence of hate in all its forms.
Of those who survived, most were forced to find new homes and new lives around the world, including in the United States. With strength and resilience, the Armenian people survived and rebuilt their community. Over the decades Armenian immigrants have enriched the United States in countless ways, but they have never forgotten the tragic history that brought so many of their ancestors to our shores. We honor their story. We see that pain. We affirm the history. We do this not to cast blame but to ensure that what happened is never repeated.
Today, as we mourn what was lost, let us also turn our eyes to the futuretoward the world that we wish to build for our children. A world unstained by the daily evils of bigotry and intolerance, where human rights are respected, and where all people are able to pursue their lives in dignity and security. Let us renew our shared resolve to prevent future atrocities from occurring anywhere in the world. And let us pursue healing and reconciliation for all the people of the world.
The American people honor all those Armenians who perished in the genocide that began 106 years ago today.
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bdamomma
(63,922 posts)for posting. Thank you President Biden.
Mosby
(16,350 posts)TygrBright
(20,763 posts)Let's see, that's...
America...
Britain...
Germany...
ummm....
Maybe let's rethink it?
ironically,
Bright
Mosby
(16,350 posts)Erdogan is no different than his mentor, Putin.
He needs to be marginalized on the international stage.
DBoon
(22,397 posts)christx30
(6,241 posts)with regards to Tibet and the Uyghurs.
oldsoftie
(12,597 posts)Since they're supposed to be so "woke' here in the US.
Mosby
(16,350 posts)BE careful for what you wish for.
oldsoftie
(12,597 posts)Now THAT would be interesting.
I'm just tired of these huge corporations acting like they care about rights all while ignoring one of the WORST abusers of them. AND doing business with them.
TheProle
(2,198 posts)TygrBright
(20,763 posts)America has its own history of genocide. (Not to mention current efforts to revive same...)
Britain has its own history of genocide.
Germany has its own history of genocide - and they have done more than many nations to acknowledge, atone, and try to prevent recurrence.
Ask central African nations about Belgium's history of genocide.
Ask north African nations about France.
I don't think Turkey's rigorous efforts at denial of its own genocidal past are all that difficult to understand.
It's time for all the nations who have wielded power and Imperialism to acknowledge that history, accept the cost accounting, and begin working to atone and prevent recurrence.
sadly,
Bright
Mad Kirrua
(46 posts)Genocides must always be condemned! In Armenia, Palestine, America, and all other countries!
bdamomma
(63,922 posts)and those countries whose leaders commit GENOCIDE must be held accountable.
thucythucy
(8,086 posts)"And who, after all, remembers the Armenians?"
Without acknowledging the past we will never be able to prevent such atrocities in the present or the future.
BeyondThePale
(903 posts)Such an important proclamation. A few words, but an enormous accomplishment. Love to all or Armenian friends and family.
Mysterian
(4,591 posts)If the truth offends, the problem belongs to those who are offended.
oldsoftie
(12,597 posts)Because its a truth people dont like.
I've gotten posts removed that were entirely factual but unpopular!
Carlitos Brigante
(26,505 posts)in our own fucking streets, to beat up peaceful protesters. Maybe send out the Secret Service with some baseball bats.......
Although something tells me he ain't gonna try that shit again.... Until the next 'Puke "administration" that is.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,564 posts)Turkey can call it Fuzzy Bunnies if it wants to, but that doesn't make it so.
SmartVoter22
(639 posts)Last edited Sat Apr 24, 2021, 04:14 PM - Edit history (1)
The reasons the USA has not called this genocide is anyone's guess.
But, this is a human massacre of great proportions, led by a tyrants against it's own citizens.
If genocide needs a century, to define itself. We are all worse off for that fact.
If we can call genocide, exactly what it is...right away. It's called pressure. We can put on great pressure.
We are better humans, better citizens and standing for justice.
Turkey has always been a political mess, since WWI when some jerks, sitting at desks in London, decided arbitrarily where a nation starts and stops (draw some boundary lines).
Turkey's own cultural diversity was destroyed by these colonialist jerks and the Armenian Genocide is what happens when others try to mandate an entire nation's future.
Let's not go through this again.
mathematic
(1,439 posts)Turkey's cultural diversity was destroyed by british colonialists?
No.
The cultural diversity of Thrace and Anatolia was destroyed by Turks. Turks are not from Turkey. They conquered, colonized, ethnically cleansed and genocided the people that were living there for thousands of years before they arrived.
Why on earth are you twisting the history of this region?
Faygo Kid
(21,478 posts)I was a counselor at a summer camp for Armenian-American children, northern lower Michigan, 1970-73 (Camp Ararat). Learned a tremendous amount about Armenian music (Hinkala), food (yum), and the warmth and achievements of the Armenian people (undeniable). And of course their history.
Not one kid didn't lose relatives in the genocide, and their stories remain with me still, passed down from their parents, their church (St. John's in Southfield, MI) and others. Grandparents, great uncles and aunts, and more - all gone in the genocide. Thank you, President Biden, for speaking the truth about a history that must be acknowledged.
My heritage is a long way from Armenia (Scandinavian), but I am proud to be an honorary Armenian, especially as an American who is proud of and accepts our nation's history as my history. As it should be. And as for the kids back then? I'm assuming they are now grandparents themselves and sharing their family histories. As it should be.
We lost dozens
catsudon
(855 posts)now do china
pansypoo53219
(20,995 posts)discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,482 posts)flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)"Honey badger doesn't GAF" was a meme several years ago. Honey badgers are fearless bad-asses (think bees stinging them while they get that honey--but they don't even seem to notice).
I believe the intent was to imply that Biden's actions here show that he is also a bad-ass. He does what needs to be done, not minding the stings of the irrelevant "bees" trying to stop him.
Here's the video that started the meme:
pansypoo53219
(20,995 posts)discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,482 posts)Love the honey badger. Reminds me of Biden. Maybe more Dr Jill than Joe but definitely both of them.
pansypoo53219
(20,995 posts)discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,482 posts)bdamomma
(63,922 posts)Armenian this acknowledgement from President Biden, is something that Armenians wanted to hear for a very long time. Truth, facts and history wins out right. Thank you President Biden.
srobertss
(261 posts)Im half Armenian and tried to view US presidents unwillingness to call it a genocide as practical. But when I read about Bidens plans to call it a genocide I found myself weeping. The silence around this has been distressing. I recognize that the US has its own genocidal history to acknowledge, but still this is an important step.
Maybe it will help Turkey to look at this history (probably not, but maybe.) The barrier in talking about this with Turkish people is so frustrating, because they feel like estranged cousins. Turkish was my grandparents second language, the food is very similar, and many Turkish people rescued Armenians. One of my great aunts was locked in a church with her Armenian neighbors, and it was subsequently set on fire. It was their Turkish neighbors who rescued them. So the Turkish heroes get no recognition either.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,482 posts)The pogram 20 years earlier was a sign of things to come. When Abdul Hamid II was overthrown in 1908, many Armenians had hope for better treatment. Mistake.
How hard is it to accept that people in your history, maybe famous important people, did awful things? Terrible things happen everyday. I know one reason leaders fail to admit past wrongs is the fear that reparations will destabilize their governments.
What Rambo said about war and genocide:
...we're like animals! It's in the blood! It's natural! Peace? That's an accident! It's what is! When you're pushed, killing's as easy as breathing. When the killing stops in one place, it starts in another, but that's okay... 'cause you're killing for your country. But it ain't your country who asks you, it's a few men up top who want it. Old men start it, young men fight it, nobody wins, everybody in the middle dies... AND NOBODY TELLS THE TRUTH!
Passenger
(217 posts)Bravo Joe!