U.S. Capitol Police to Be Sued for $10 Million for Killing Unarmed Rioter
Source: Newsweek
The family of Ashli Babbittthe only person shot during the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitolplans to sue the U.S. Capitol Police department, and the officer who shot her, for at least $10 million, their attorney said.
The civil suit will follow a decision by federal prosecutors not to seek criminal charges against a plainclothes police lieutenant whose single shot killed Babbitt, who was unarmed.
Babbitt, a decorated U.S. Air Force Gulf War veteran, was struck in the shoulder while attempting to illegally enter the Speaker's Lobby, an area near to the House floor, through a smashed window beside a barricaded door. It is unclear whether she heard shouted warnings over the crowd around her before she climbed within view of the lieutenant, who drew his gun and fired. Smartphone video shows Babbitt being struck in the shoulder and falling back onto a patterned marble floor, bleeding. Police quickly summoned medical help and evacuated her on a stretcher. She was pronounced dead at Washington Hospital Center, leaving behind a husband, Aaron, and four younger brothers.
The police lieutenant who shot Babbitt has yet to publicly provide his side of the fatal encounter, and law enforcement officials have not released his name. Terry Roberts, the Babbitt family's lawyer, said he knows the shooter's name and is aware of some of his police service record.
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Generic Other
(28,979 posts)on that slow boat to hell. I'm pretty sure the law allows cops to use lethal force to prevent an insurrectionist from attacking members of Congress.
multigraincracker
(32,733 posts)elleng
(131,181 posts)JohnSJ
(92,439 posts)former9thward
(32,096 posts)Almost everyone where a family has received a settlement as a result of of police killing has committed some illegal act to begin with.
JohnSJ
(92,439 posts)toward our congress people, and our government
That isnt going to fly, especially since she ignored multiple warnings, and they already cleared the officer and determined that there was insufficient evidence to prove Babbitts civil rights were violated, and that it was reasonable for the officer to believe he was firing in self-defense or in defense of members of Congress and aides who were fleeing the House chamber. Prosecutors did not identify the officer. Washington Post
In addition, through social media she had tweets threatening violence against the capital
She was an active participant of an insurrection in our capital
former9thward
(32,096 posts)In most cases where there has been a settlement the officer had been "cleared". We will see how it works out.
JohnSJ
(92,439 posts)in the mob who were injured won a settlement?
It is called self-defense. There was a reasonable belief that the person was going to attack violently, with calls to hang the VP and do bodily harm to members of Congress
former9thward
(32,096 posts)As far as I know she was one of the few who were even injured. How can I give specifics on Capitol settlements when the suit was just filed? I don't think you know how courts look at these type of cases.
JohnSJ
(92,439 posts)"In most cases where there has been a settlement the officer had been "cleared""
That statement was NOT related to the January 6th insurrection, and I asked for specific examples outside of the January 6th insurrection where your statement: "In most cases where there has been a settlement the officer had been "cleared". Give me some examples of that please, and if you use George Floyd or those type of examples, then you are not recognizing that those cases were aggressive moves by the police against people who were not presenting a risk to anybody.
You want me to list those names, because that is pretty easy to do
and if you do not see the difference between what happen to George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, etc.
then I don't think you are viewing things very clearly
former9thward
(32,096 posts)They won't meet your "standards". Of course the courts and juries may have a different view.
JohnSJ
(92,439 posts)Last edited Fri Apr 30, 2021, 07:40 PM - Edit history (1)
MaKhia Bryant's family as an example, will not win a civil suit, because she used a knife to attack two people
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Even a non-cop could legitimately claim self-defense if somebody crashes through a window to attack them.
They couldn't know for sure that she was unarmed. Also, she was leading a pack of baying hyenas, many of whom were clearly armed. It was life or death for the cops. It's an open and shut case for dismissal.
JohnSJ
(92,439 posts)about to be perpetrated by someone who broke through the window to attack members of congress
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,650 posts)This terrorist refused to follow directions and was attacking or trying to attack members of Congress
Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)Babbitt has left the building.
Tndem615
(77 posts)Glad they cleared that officer, even though she wasnt armed.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,047 posts)Submariner
(12,511 posts)treasonous veteran.
quakerboy
(13,921 posts)But has anyone been charged with terrorism yet?
Dr. Shepper
(3,014 posts)Is amazing. She was a terrorist trying to violently overthrow our democratically elected government. Was the officer just supposed to let her through to do whatever the hell she wanted? I hope this is thrown out of court.
USAFRetired_Liberal
(4,167 posts)These are the same idiots who will defend the cops for killing unarmed black people and say shit like the should have complied, but then want to hold this domestic terrorist up as a martyr...
intheflow
(28,505 posts)Complete tell from the Thin Blue Line/Blue Lives Matter crowd. More like them whistling Dixie out their asses.
NYC Liberal
(20,137 posts)rickyhall
(4,889 posts)rainin
(3,011 posts)Jon King
(1,910 posts)This one will be an easy defense. The security heard a rabid crowd shouting about hanging and killing and looking for the VP and Congress. They saw massive violence or their fellow officers told them via walkie talkie about the massive violence.
Once they broke the last window between security and their targets, and one of the violent mob seeking to kill people actually tried to come through the window, he had zero other options.
Common sense, which is the civil standard, would tell any jury that he actually saved lives by shooting the first one through.
BootinUp
(47,200 posts)oldsoftie
(12,628 posts)Start a riot, attack people, pay the price
Tndem615
(77 posts)Is going to need to have mass re-education facilities
intheflow
(28,505 posts)They were major humanitarian disaster, the result of policy failures which resulted in devastating loss of precious lives and cultures, and centuries of trauma.
What we need are mass conversations about how to accept and respect differences in a pluralistic society, and what is and isn't a reliable source in this digital infomedia age.
But if you mean "mass education" as in bringing back civics classes and school librarians to the current public education standards, I'm here for that.
TheProle
(2,202 posts)Lawbreakers should be prosecuted.
But mass re-education facilities is antithetical to democracy. Very much hoping that you are invoking the phrase without knowing what youre really saying, because your comment is reprehensible.
oldsoftie
(12,628 posts)RandiFan1290
(6,256 posts)oldsoftie
(12,628 posts)RandiFan1290
(6,256 posts)but you are not fooling me
quakerboy
(13,921 posts)Too many officers seemed to think that the terrorists were friendlies for my comfort
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)This was far inside the Capitol and leading to the room where lawmakers were hiding.
If that hoard had broken through, the plan was mass murder and hostage taking with the stipulation being they would broadcast executions at regular intervals until the demand of trumpety being made a dictator was met.
oldsoftie
(12,628 posts)But your point shows that it probably would've worked downstairs at the main entrance as well.
rpannier
(24,341 posts)Usually not how that works
FailureToCommunicate
(14,026 posts)Mysterian
(4,597 posts)LOL
keithbvadu2
(36,949 posts)She may not have had guns but she had weapons.
She was using force to break in.
brush
(53,922 posts)the Speaker and other Reps. No, she got what she deserved.
orangecrush
(19,640 posts)There was a line, and she crossed it.
The rest of them turned tail.
RayStar
(417 posts)She should have stayed in CA.
IbogaProject
(2,845 posts)The officer had no way to assume she was neither armed nor dangerous. His shot broke the invader's momentum. I hope that draws penalties for frivolous lawsuit.
MichMan
(11,994 posts)and thought they were dangerous,, that justifies them shooting and killing them.
Thought people here were against police using that kind of logic. Guess not.
radical noodle
(8,013 posts)that she was wearing a backpack. The cop might have thought she had a bomb in it.
czarjak
(11,298 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,047 posts)The Mouth
(3,165 posts)There isn't even really a right to "Protest".
There *IS* a right to *PEACEFULLY* assemble to petition for the redress of grievences.
As soon as you damage property or threaten others, the full force and fury of the state should descend upon you.
There is nothing anyone is ever going to be upset about that is worth damaging my property or threatening my life or that of my family.
MichMan
(11,994 posts)Is that what you are suggesting?
SunSeeker
(51,744 posts)And she and her co-conspirators ignored repeated warnings from Capital police to stay back.
Do you equate breaking into the Capitol to overturn an election to mere vandalism like graffiti on a highway overpass?
MichMan
(11,994 posts)"As soon as you damage property or threaten others, the full force and fury of the state should descend upon you."
Vandalism is damaging property is it not?
SunSeeker
(51,744 posts)And I don't think run of the mill vandalism/property damage is what the poster was referring to, since the reference was to what this insurrectionist did. Do you think what this insurrectionist did was mere vandalism?
The Mouth
(3,165 posts)Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)MichMan
(11,994 posts)"As soon as you damage property or threaten others, the full force and fury of the state should descend upon you."
Vandalism involves damaging property, doesn't it?
Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)And he didn't actually say they should be shot. The full force of the state could simply mean being arrested and prosecuted.
In this case Ashli Babit, in addition to participating in a mob that had already grievously injured police officers (and killed one, but since they've ruled it natural causes for some reason, I'll just leave it at grievously injured), threatened members of congress, and attempted to subvert a democratic election. Oh yeah, and destroyed property. She was violently breaking into an area where members of congress were being protected. She ignored warnings to stop. At that point she is a clear and present danger and shooting her was an act of both self-defense and the defense of the lives of elected representatives.
She was not shot for vandalism. She was shot for threatening lives and subverting democracy.
MichMan
(11,994 posts)Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)Does not automatically equal being shot. Full force of the state can mean be arrested and prosecuted. You are the one implying it can only mean being shot. It does not automatically mean that.
But okay. Let me break it down for you.
Vandalism=not enough to warrant being shot. Arrested yes, but not shot. Being arrested qualifies as full force of the state.
Threatening others= more of a grey area, but generally in and of itself not enough to warrant being shot unless there is a clear and present danger to human life at that moment.
Vandalism, threatening others, rioting in a mob that has assaulted and injured peace officers, sedition against the United States government, violently breaking into a secured area where legally elected representatives are being protected and ignoring warnings to stop=warrants being shot.
Hope that clears it up.
The Mouth
(3,165 posts)You said it better than I could.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,346 posts)Breaking into a highly sensitive area that has locked doors, men pointing guns while barking warnings, AND furniture piled up against the doors... is a death wish.
What killed her is her own hubris and stupidity. The same hubris and stupidity that has left hundreds of protesters dumbfounded why they are being prosecuted for the crimes they themselves filmed and bragged about on social media.
She was warned
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Grokenstein
(5,727 posts)Isn't that the standard BS from rightwankers?
She played the stupid game, it would have been unfair to not give her the stupid prize.
I presume the suit rises from the sort of rancid revisionist dogshit like this, seen a couple of weeks ago:
Link to tweet
Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,346 posts)But I get your point.
IronLionZion
(45,558 posts)Insurrection Karen
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PortTack
(32,803 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,346 posts)Alien Life Form
(370 posts)I was saddened that anyone lost their lives for believing in the LIES of Donald Trump and the GOP.. but in the end she was a danger and a threat ..and so I have no sympathy for her or her family..
ColinC
(8,338 posts)policy. It was determined that this officer did not violate any policies, and was reinstated to his job following an investigation.
ZonkerHarris
(24,262 posts)Rabrrrrrr
(58,354 posts)for killing their sons. "oh, my, we're so sorry, Mrs. Beauregard, you are so right - we totally violated your son's rights by shooting him for nothing more than sedition. Even though he rejected our laws, you're right, we should be the better people and treat him as though he were still a citizen. Here's $10 million and an apology and I'm going to go blow Jefferson Davis now because I feel so bad for the evil we did against the confederate soldier patriots."
Insurrection/sedition/treason should never come with any kind of penalty, because PATRIOTISM!! FREEDUM!!!!
Fuck her. IMO, the capitol police should have opened fire and left a river of blood flowing out of the building. The fact that the insurrectionists were white is the only reason we didn't have a bloodbath on Jan 6.
I say fuck 'em. I don't know the law well enough to speak as to whether the family has a case or not, but I hope that there is a law that says if you are killed with actively trying to overthrow the government, you lose all rights granted by that government. That seems only fair - "You don't like the government? You want to overthrow it? Okay, you are now no longer protected by it or beholden to any of its rules. Welcome to your ultra libertarian childish theocracy." and then fill 'em with lead.
Martin68
(22,902 posts)them to death, smashing through barricaded doors to invade the Congressional sanctum sanctorum and derail the democratic process in a presidential election, and then jumping though a broken window in a door in spite of warnings that a guard is defending the space with a drawn gun. Actions have consequences. especially those that threaten ur democratic process and the lives of those to whom we have entrusted that process. I have seldom been a clearer case of justifies homicide. The insurrectionists are lucky that more guards did not perform their duty.
SunSeeker
(51,744 posts)Gore1FL
(21,156 posts)Fuck her. fuck her family. No quarter for traitors.
Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)Not even joking.
NewHendoLib
(60,024 posts)Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)Swede
(33,295 posts)I've heard that said about listening to the fuzz.
cstanleytech
(26,332 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(145,650 posts)Kablooie
(18,641 posts)He was protecting them.
If he hadn't shot her others would have followed and we might have a different ending to the invasion.
BigmanPigman
(51,638 posts)The terrorist clearly broke the law. Her family appears to be as idiotic as the terrorist. The nut doesn't fall far from that tree.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,221 posts)that would take it on a contingency. That says something. They're probably hoping the Feds will throw them a bone and pay them $1 to 2Million. I hope they don't.
Besides, bleeding out from a single wound to the shoulder is kind of a freak accident. He must have hit the axillary artery.
BigmanPigman
(51,638 posts)TexasBushwhacker
(20,221 posts)Now it may have been the part of her shoulder closest to her neck rather than to her arm, but still, there are some major blood vessels there - the subclavian and the axillary arteries.
We had a case here in Texas where some idiot was shooting up into the air on New Year's Eve. His little girl was outside with. What goes up must come down and at terminal velocity, a falling bullet is still traveling fast enough penetrate soft tissue. The bullet hit her in the shoulder, close to her neck, and severed an artery. She bled to death in her father's arms.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,650 posts)I wanted to read the petition in this lawsuit and see who the attorney was. Guess what, the family of the terrorist cannot file this bogus lawsuit for six months https://www.newsweek.com/us-capitol-police-sued-10-million-killing-unarmed-rioter-1587449
I was looking forward to reading this garbage lawsuit and now have to wait
BleedsBlue
(113 posts)trumps the one who sent her in there. He's was the leader of the insurrection. If I was one of the Capitol Police Officers who were hurt or a family member of one who died I would be filing lawsuits against trump.
Pas-de-Calais
(9,911 posts)She was ex military
Knew her place
Her vows to this country
Knew the illegality if what she was doing
Still
Did
It
aeromanKC
(3,328 posts)Say, how about restitution for the damage she contributed too!! Her estate (ya, like she has one) owes the taxpayers money!!
pfitz59
(10,400 posts)First time in nearly 200 years the Capitol was attacked.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,650 posts)cstanleytech
(26,332 posts)the law.
Now, do I like that she was shot and killed committing a crime? Of course not but the facts are still the facts and she was committing a crime.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,047 posts)Withywindle
(9,988 posts)These weren't just angry people breaking store windows.
Everyone who busted into the Capitol was a potential assassination threat. Lives of elected officials were on the line, and at risk.
MrModerate
(9,753 posts)DFW
(54,447 posts)There I was, minding my own business, breaking into the US Capitol building, trying to catch members of Congress to harm or kill them, when out of nowhere, some trigger-happy cop defending them decides to use force against our superior numbers trying to break down a door inside the building. The nerve of them!
msfiddlestix
(7,286 posts)that smashed window. At least that was what I believe I remembered when that happened.
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)Coming onto Capitol grounds with a gun was a mandatory sentence and they were advised of this.
msfiddlestix
(7,286 posts)Vinca
(50,318 posts)of Congress and the Vice President. Good luck with that law suit.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,650 posts)Link to tweet
Authorities had suggested the possibility of bringing felony murder charges against rioters if Babbitts death was a foreseeable consequence of felony conduct by others, according to a person familiar with the matter. But they have since ruled out that possibility, given case law that allows such charges only in instances when an accomplice is responsible for a victims death, not a law enforcement officer.
D.C. police are required by law to identify officers involved in serious uses of force within five business days of an incident. They are also required to release video from body cameras of the officers directly involved. The law only applies to D.C. police. Capitol Police are not equipped with body cameras.
agincourt
(1,996 posts)will be just on top of making her a revolutionary martyr.
blogslug
(38,019 posts)groan
Happy Hoosier
(7,415 posts)EndlessWire
(6,573 posts)He incited the insurrection. He should have been held accountable. Can't her family follow cause and effect? Or, has their attorney promised them they'll get a settlement one way or another?