Facebook oversight board upholds Trump account's suspension

[kpete]

Source: Reuters

Facebook Inc (FB.O)'s oversight board on Wednesday upheld the company's suspension of former U.S. President Donald Trump in a much-awaited verdict that may signal how the company will treat rule-breaking world leaders in the future.

Facebook indefinitely blocked Trump's access to his Facebook and Instagram accounts over concerns of further violent unrest following the Jan. 6 storming of the U.S. Capitol by supporters of the former president.

...........

The binding verdict marks a major decision for the board, which rules on a small slice of challenging content decisions and which Facebook created as an independent body as a response to criticism over how it handles problematic material. Facebook has also asked the board to provide recommendations on how it should handle political leaders' accounts.

Read more: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/facebook-oversight-board-rule-trumps-return-facebook-2021-05-05/

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https://oversightboard.com/news/
https://oversightboard.com/decision/FB-691QAMHJ/

[msfiddlestix]

1. Good to read.

[JohnSJ]

2. It is misleading, they are still deciding whether to reinstate trump or not, to re-evaluate

after six months

[kpete]

4. Yes, complicated...

Oversight Board upholds Facebook decision to restrict Trump, but says “it was not appropriate for Facebook to impose the indeterminate and standardless penalty of indefinite suspension."

Link to tweet

?s=20

[Jon King]

24. It will still be a permanent ban.

This just says that within 6 months Facebook must review and determine that it was proportionate to other punishments which it was. In fact Trump got more chances than others so the ban will be upheld.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

33. Yes. Like they are parsing words

[SKKY]

3. While I'm not a huge fan of censorship, of any type, this is a wise decision....

....he broke their rules, period. This isn't a 1st Amendment issue because he's free to come up with his own platform, blog, etc. In no way, shape, or form does this infringe on his 1st Amendment rights.

[JohnSJ]

5. It isn't a first amendment issue because it is a private company, not a government enterprise to

which the first amendment applies

[SKKY]

7. Oh yea, I agree, but I have heard Republicans make that argument...

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...so I am just making the argument on their grounds. Not in reality. We know they don't live there with the rest of us.

[JohnSJ]

8. no surprise that republicans would be misleading and outright dishonest about it

[SmartVoter22]

9. The rest of us...

Trump goes in one ear, and gains speed out the other side.
Six months of peace & quiet.

[JohnSJ]

14. I will take anything to prevent that machiavellian scum from propagating lies and encouraging

more insurrections

[brush]

18. Six months of a further muzzled trump is good. The less visidble...

he is the better. He has no twitter either so in six months he'll be even less relevant and relatively silent in the public discourse. The cowardly GOP will continue to kiss his ass but de-platformed trump helps Joe Biden and the rest of us Dems.

The nation can move on and find out it doesn't need the constant vitriol.

[Hekate]

65. In the 19 years I've been at DU I've had that argument many times, as it is a *very* common error

... on the left, not just the right, that the First Amendment allows us to yell “Fire!” in a crowded stadium (or the equivalent).

Stick to reality, as you say. .

[rurallib]

13. Exactly!

[TNNurse]

17. yes, let the whining and false free speech complaints begin.

[Marthe48]

6. Happy Wednesday!

Made my day to read this

[mahatmakanejeeves]

10. Adding a link:

Facebook’s ban of Trump upheld by Oversight Board

The company banned Donald Trump indefinitely following the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol, citing posts that it said encouraged violence. The company referred the decision to its largely independent Oversight Board, which is Facebook-funded, to rule on a final decision.

By Elizabeth Dwoskin and Cat Zakrzewski • 5 minutes ago

{snip}

[JohnSJ]

11. I suspect their reasoning is that trump isn't an ordinary citizen, and the fact that he is

still perpetuating the lie that he used to incite the insurrection was a major factor for revisiting this in six months, because at this time they view his actions as a real threat to incite violence against the government based on lies and disinformation.

[dweller]

12. 😎

✌🏻

[Midnight Writer]

15. At least no one is claiming "I think he learned a lesson"

Everyone seems to concede that if he comes back he will spew the same (and worse) crap he got suspended for in the first place.

Not even his supporters are claiming that he will act responsibly and within Facebook terms of service.

[mdbl]

62. Susan Collins is concerned

she thought he learned his lesson after the 1st impeachment.

[lark]

16. Good, next make it permanent.

Keep his unrelenting right wing lies away from us, we don't want him infecting us every worse.

[Blue Owl]

19. FACT: Donald T***p is unlikeable

[Qutzupalotl]

20. Psych!

[bluestarone]

21. I'm thinking the ONLY way to even think about QRUMPS reinstatement should take place ONLY AFTER

QRUMPS apology, plus he should state the fact that there was NO stealing of the 2020 election!! If not then BAN continues!

[orangecrush]

26. No apology

Except a prison sentence is adequate.

[Jon King]

22. This is about the future of the free world.

Trump is a threat to our democracy, the democracies of the world, the climate, everything. The entire planet must throw everything they have to bring this POS to his knees. Lets hope the NY examination of his tax documents yields some indictments.

[LittleGirl]

31. Ding ding ding, exactly. I like the way you think. nt

[orangecrush]

23. Today is a good day.

[Paladin]

25. Outstanding! (nt)

[Jon King]

27. Don't sweat the 6 month review stuff.

The board just said Facebook must review and make sure his punishment was proportionate to others which it was. Facebook will never let him back on because they are in a fight for the best employees to continue to grow. If they let him back on, they will lose plenty of talent to other tech firms.

He is never coming back on Facebook or Twitter.

[48656c6c6f20]

28. My bans have never been allowed a review board.

Why does fuck face Mcfuck Face get special consideration?

[GoneOffShore]

29. This makes my psychotic raccoon spirit animal very happy.

[mdbl]

39. Mine too

LOL

[highplainsdem]

30. Great news!

[LittleGirl]

32. Best news I've had all week! eom

[mnhtnbb]

34. Finally appropriate consequences for the lies

he tells and the violence he promotes.

[twodogsbarking]

35. It wasn't an ethical decision,

it was financial.

[Jon King]

36. The board said Facebook must either delete his account or put a time limit on ban.

The board said Facebook's own rules called for either a time limit on the ban or if the violations bad enough, an account deletion.

They will just delete the account and be done with it. Like others said, a financial decision because his followers will still use Facebook for various means and the loss of high level tech talent that hates Trump would have crippled their growth.

[C Moon]

37. Maybe he can start doing 30-second dancing videos on TicTok.

[orleans]

38. people can still repost his shit on facebook & twitter

"On Tuesday, Trump launched a new web page to share messages that readers can then re-post to their Facebook or Twitter accounts."

(from reuters link)

[Bayard]

40. As usual, trying to cheat

If they ban trump, they must ban these people too for spreading his promotion of violence and sedition through the backdoor.

[orleans]

42. i'm wondering if they end up on fb how long will those posts be allowed to stand

before the fb guard deletes them.

[ancianita]

44. I read yesterday that Twitter is already removing them (saw examples), so there's that.

[DesertRat]

41. He can't run ads or raise money on the platform

Or spew his hateful lies. Outstanding!

[Deminpenn]

43. This is as much about future lawsuits as it is about

anything else. Now that we've all seen what Trump cultists can and will do, think about the next person who is physically or mentally injured as a result of something Trump posts. Facebook/Zuckerberg have a lot of $s. There'll be plenty of lawyers lining up to take the case.

[ancianita]

45. To Facebook's Oversight Board

[dchill]

46. "Rule-breaking world leaders" for $200, Alex.

It's a category.

[onecaliberal]

47. Now if we can just get people to stop posting what comes out of his vile criminal mouth.

[usaf-vet]

48. Excellent!! All elected officials should be either band from or HELD to high standards on....

..... all Social Media.

Never mind the Free Speech argument.

Try yelling FIRE in a packed theater. Or threatening death or bodily harm to a sitting President, VP, Congress members, and other elected officials.

You will quickly find that there are limits to FREE SPEECH!

[Dream Girl]

64. This!

Ban them all!

[usaf-vet]

69. This!

I would be totally with you on that. Ban them all. With one simple benchmark... lie and you are done. PERIOD!!

You know like Jewish lasers starting wildfires or ingesting bleach to cure Covid.

When I was growing up in the 50 and 60s the common meme was these are OUR airwaves.

[Pepsidog]

49. Surprising and good news. Now of FB can create a time machine that erases Trump existence

the world would be a better place. In fact, have the rime machine bring us back to 2000 so we can elect Al Gore and I can invest in some tech stocks then we can forgive FB. Just imagine Presidents Gore, Obama, and Clinton. How much different the world and country would look.

[Rocknation]

50. If Trump WEREN'T a policitican, it wouldn't even have become a subject of discussion

That's why I think banning him is the right move on all levels. He's rich and powerful enough to start a social media network of his own.


Rocknation

[usaf-vet]

51. NOW IF THE MSM would stop giving platforms to public "leaders" who use the airways to spread LIES...

..... we will IMO finally get some thoughtful progress instead of organized rebellions bolstered by MSM outlets.

FOX News of course is the worst!

[634-5789]

52. Not good enough.

Grow a set, Zuck.

[Polybius]

59. What else do you want Zuck to do?

Trump's banned for good, unless he gets reinstated from a future decision (unlikely).

[634-5789]

68. I don't trust Zuckerberg, I don't trust his people.

I'll believe trump is done when I see it.

[dlk]

53. FB is considering whether or not Democratic regulation is just around the corner

Opportunists to the core, neither right and wrong, nor the good of the country are part of their equation. Otherwise, the former guy would have been permanently banned ages ago for consistently violating their “terms of service.”

[PortTack]

54. Yes, would luv a permanent ban..I'll take the 6 months..anything!

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

55. Neener neener Trumpolini

[BobTheSubgenius]

56. Well, that is sure something.

I'm not fully convinced that FB has become the even-handed arbiter of behaviour, but this is far better than the inverse.

[sarge43]

57. That will generate an unnatural excitement in the criminal class. n/t

[BlueWavePsych]

58. Hah!

[iluvtennis]

60. It's a happy day - yes!!! n/t

[SWBTATTReg]

61. It is pathetic that our own government won't step in and prosecute rump to the fullest extent of the

law and nail him for tax evasion, fraud, incitement of violence among his cult, and more. Our own government...witness how long things seem to be taking w/ all of the lawsuits put on hold simply because he was PINO. Where are all of the lawsuits and everything that was suspended? Why the delays? I suspect that the thug BARR was involved in some manner to illegally throw out these lawsuits, or worse, and even made fake judgments on disposing of cases, etc.

It is time to quit prancing around and avoid the issue(s) and start nailing trump to the wall.

[not fooled]

63. Hahahahahahahahaha

And on Cinco de Mayo, no less. More mariachis and less red don--it's a good thing.

[Historic NY]

66. Greast News...we don't need him

[SunSeeker]

67. Good. Facebook should just delete his account now. nt

[Cha]

70. lol.. All Psycho's "Billions"

can't buy him a twitter, FB, Or Instagram account.