'Unthinkable' discovery in Canada as remains of 215 children found buried near residential school
Source: CNN
By Paula Newton,
(CNN)The gruesome discovery took decades and for some survivors of the Kamloops Indian Residential School in Canada, the confirmation that children as young as 3 were buried on school grounds crystallizes the sorrow they have carried all their lives.
"I lost my heart, it was so much hurt and pain to finally hear, for the outside world, to finally hear what we assumed was happening there," said Harvey McLeod, who attended the school for two years in the late 1960s, in a telephone interview with CNN Friday.
"The story is so unreal, that yesterday it became real for a lot of us in this community," he said.
The Tk'emlúps te Secwépemc community in the southern interior of British Columbia, where the school was located, released a statement late Thursday saying an "unthinkable loss that was spoken about but never documented" was confirmed.
The former Kamloops Indian Residential School on Thursday, May 27, in Kamloops, British Columbia, Canada. The remains of 215 children have been found buried on school's grounds, which closed in 1978.
Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/28/world/children-remains-discovered-canada-kamloops-school/index.html
Mysterian
(4,589 posts)It seems to me the Catholic Church is a criminal organization that should be prosecuted and shut down.
Demovictory9
(32,467 posts)COL Mustard
(5,912 posts)Where "fallen" women learned anything but Christian charity.
Demovictory9
(32,467 posts)Botany
(70,539 posts)In 2015 Canada's Truth and Reconciliation Commission released a report detailing the damaging legacy of the country's residential school system. Thousands of mostly indigenous children were separated from their families and forced to attend residential schools.
The report detailed decades of physical, sexual and emotional abuse suffered by children in government and church run institutions.
AllyCat
(16,197 posts)Mr. Steve
(114 posts)Yes, yes and yes again
Pacifist Patriot
(24,653 posts)Warpy
(111,300 posts)I think you'll find the same story at most of them, kids crowded together, far from home, language barrier, and epidemics of diseases to which Indian children had no resistance. Oh, the schools had a loftier purpose, to educate them for a better life than sitting in tents or other "primitive" housing in the mud, plus the darker purpose of educating the Indian out of them, but until vaccinations came out, the overcrowding did the job that the wars hadn't.
The hard part of this one is that likely families weren't notified. If they had been, they'd have wanted to bury their own children, but people of such lofty purposes never consider the human feelings of their human projects.
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And the three year old. Who snatches three year olds to put them into boarding school? Must've been a bounty offered to heartless bastards.
shrike3
(3,687 posts)It's my understanding it was also the official position of the Canadian government.
"Boarding schools" also existed in the United States.
https://www.grunge.com/328173/the-messed-up-history-of-native-american-boarding-schools/
Richard Henry Pratt founded the Carlisle Indian School in 1879 in an abandoned military barracks in Carlisle, Penn. According to the University of Washington, Pratt's reigning philosophy at the school was "kill the Indian, save the man."
Although Pratt wanted to recruit children from Indigenous groups that he had experience with, such as the Cheyennes, Comanches, and Arapahoes, the U.S. government insisted that Pratt should convince the Sioux instead.
While some families allowed their children to go to Carlisle, when Siŋté Gleká (Spotted Tail), a Brulé Lakota chief, went to visit during their first year, he immediately brought his own children back home because he "did not approve of the erased Native American culture or the fact that Pratt was, in his view, turning the students into soldiers with all the drilling."
Like the POW camp, the Carlisle school was run like a military camp. Strict schedules and uniforms were enforced, genders were separated, and corporal punishment was practiced. And following Pratt's model, several other off-reservation boarding schools were soon established across the country.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)in 1978. It appears, based on the interview with Mr. McCloud, who entered the school then, that the abuse continued while a Federal institution.
BlueWavePsych
(2,635 posts)weissmam
(905 posts)a force for good , never was never will be
ratchiweenie
(7,754 posts)knightmaar
(748 posts)Sir John A McDonald was our first Prime Minister.
https://www.ictinc.ca/blog/10-quotes-john-a.-macdonald-made-about-first-nations
When the school is on the reserve, the child lives with its parents, who are savages, and though he may learn to read and write, his habits and training mode of thought are Indian. He is simply a savage who can read and write. It has been strongly impressed upon myself, as head of the Department, that Indian children should be withdrawn as much as possible from the parental influence, and the only way to do that would be to put them in central training industrial schools where they will acquire the habits and modes of thought of white men." 1879
Ferrets are Cool
(21,108 posts)llmart
(15,545 posts)What a horrible person to have that sort of thought process.
shrike3
(3,687 posts)Very sad.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)uriel1972
(4,261 posts)In its own peculiar wau is still operating. Look up "Stolen Generations."
Faux pas
(14,686 posts)Evolve Dammit
(16,750 posts)fill in the blank. Always the same. Power to control, extort, "re-educate" and steal any asset "they" have.
narnian60
(3,510 posts)Well said.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,643 posts)And provide reparations to the survivors.
The history of residential schools is taught in public schools.
The recent reboot of Anne of Green Gables, Anne with an E had a storyline about residential schools.
shrike3
(3,687 posts)Evolve Dammit
(16,750 posts)PatSeg
(47,547 posts)And this is very recent history. Many of these children would have been alive today if they hadn't been torn from their families and abused. Absolutely heartbreaking.
Mira
(22,380 posts)wrote the book: "The Nickel Boys". It immediately comes to mind and so does the terror that story invoked. I look at that building and my hair stands on edge.
mjvpi
(1,388 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,020 posts)You have to go through reserve lands and for some time I think only indigenous people and few others have access.
They expected to find about 50 bodies, so it has been known for some time that the RC church inflicted some horrors on children there.
JohnnyRingo
(18,638 posts)It wasn't just a few, obviously. How could they continue to send children to what amounted to a death camp? Didn't they compare notes?
OnlinePoker
(5,724 posts)That was the worst part of the residential school system. They didn't even keep the kids in the same region they came from, mostly to destroy their roots and lessen the chance they would try to run home. Their parents often didn't even know where they had been sent to. What's weird, my white mother actually went to school at the Kamloops residential school for a year in 1940/41 because it was the nearest boarding school to her family's farm which was out in the middle of nowhere. That's all I know about it because she never really spoke about it.
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)They didn't sign up for it like some day camp. It was compulsory and violent.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,370 posts)kids.
Lonestarblue
(10,030 posts)Its about the Australians ripping aboriginal children from their families and putting them in schools to force them to learn English and forget their aboriginal languages and culture. Its well worth watching as the small heroine escapes from the school and finds her way back to her family.
The sense of white superiority ingrained in our ancestors and in many today has caused untold damage to indigenous peoples. Our treatment of Native Americans during the expansion of the country was nothing less than genocide. Even today, we still trample on their rights to build pipelines through their lands or take them to build a border wall.
pandr32
(11,595 posts)Similar story.
Andy Canuck
(283 posts)Its always been genocide and continues to be genocide. Its been genocide since Europeans landed on the Americas and became codified into law when countries were created and continues today. There were 100 million indigenous people in the Americas before European arrival and there are 3 million indigenous people now. And the genocide continues. Until we accept what we have to stop we wont be able to stop the genocide.
mjvpi
(1,388 posts)I live in Montana. While the horror in this story is so compact, seeing the ongoing life problems that exist with the reservation system continue to play out, the paradigm that made that orphanage is still in place. Its just working at a slower, grinding pace.
I/we cant change the past, but its high time that we start to live up to the ideals that our country espouses.
Aldemelod
(29 posts)It's a horrific story constantly updated. Ireland: The forgotten Angels of Tuam is another example. Almost 800 children were secretly buried in rags and forgotten in a sordid corner of the convent's estate. Unwanted because of neglected health issues, unattractiveness because of physical blemishes, or the stigma of illegitimate birth. Unwed and vulnerable mothers were forced by social ostracism to work unpaid for the enrichment of the clergy as the mothers waited to give birth. The convent turned a nice profit brokering the adoption of surviving "acceptable" children, like puppies in a puppy mill. Each mother's and child's plight and misery was the clergy's found gold or refuse This is human trafficking and slavery of women under the pious gaze and control of profiteers dressed in robes of piety. It's possible the traffickers now have an idealogical ally on the highest US court in Amy Coney Barrett to join with the religious antiabortion extremists and activists Alito and Thomas.
llmart
(15,545 posts)Sums it up nicely. Barrett was placed on that court for one reason, and one reason only and that was to revoke Roe v. Wade and make sure that women "know their place" in our country.
Bayard
(22,117 posts)That's always been the message in every country. It usually wasn't even that nice in the U.S. The government just killed the real Native Americans. Murder and theft was the name of the game.
And its still happening. There is an epidemic of Native women being stolen and killed.
"Native American women are murdered and sexually assaulted at rates as high as 10 times the average in certain counties in the United Statescrimes overwhelmingly committed by individuals outside the Native American community."
https://www.culturalsurvival.org/news/addressing-epidemic-missing-murdered-indigenous-women-and-girls
https://apnews.com/article/missing-in-indian-country-north-america-mountains-mo-state-wire-sd-state-wire-cb6efc4ec93e4e92900ec99ccbcb7e05
Jay25
(417 posts)Duppers
(28,125 posts)These horribly tragic murders are not just random murders; they are genocide.
We wonder where are the MSM broadcasts? Just because they don't have murder-on-video to play doesn't preclude any coverage.
(As in Geo. Floyd's case - THAT video was what got the nation's attention. And thank goodness it was filmed.)
There has been no coverage of Native Americans killings on programs like Vice, Frontline, 60 Minutes, etc.? Not that I'm aware of.
Bayard, I know you agree. If we keep talking, perhaps MSM will give this the needed attention and perhaps national authorities will act because we cannot count on the local racist ones.
Hekate
(90,744 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,370 posts)AZLD4Candidate
(5,705 posts)Asian, Africa, Polynesia, North and South America. . .and it's just white people, so those lurking CRT critics can relax.
Indonesians did it to the East Timorans
Ethiopians did it to the Eritreans
The Taiwanese did it to the native Formosans
The Mongolians did it to the Chinese under the Yuan Dynasty (though they weren't settling, they conquered)
The Japanese did it to the Chinese between 1932-1945 (though they weren't settling, they invaded)
The Japanese did it to the Koreans between 1898-1945 (though they weren't settling, they took it by war)
The Russians did it to the Ukrainians during Holomodor
llashram
(6,265 posts)the cruelty of adults...
Backseat Driver
(4,394 posts)K&R for discoverable truths...
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,356 posts)I hope the circumstances of these deaths are being investigated.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,020 posts)1919 flu pandemic may have increased the count somewhat, but unfortunately there were deaths spread over many years.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,020 posts)One for each body found.
Federal, Provincial, and Municipal flags across the country.
I do not recall any occasion in North America (or around the world) where I've heard of anything as long as 9 days of half-staff flag honours.