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brooklynite

(94,713 posts)
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 10:17 PM Jun 2021

Biden Justice Department defends Trump in suit over rape denial

Source: Politico

The Biden administration is pressing on with a controversial Justice Department defense of President Donald Trump in a defamation lawsuit brought by a writer who accused him of raping her at a New York City department store in the 1990s.

The brief filed on Monday night with a federal appeals court is an illustration of how administrations of sharply different political outlooks often flock to the same legal positions in court, even if it means seeming to excuse or immunize alleged bad conduct by their predecessors.

In the filing with the New York-based 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, the Justice Department insisted that it was not endorsing Trump’s conduct toward the writer, E. Jean Carroll, even as it argued that a law governing suits against federal officials justified the government’s move to take over the former president’s defense in the case.

“In making and defending a Westfall Act certification … the Department of Justice is not endorsing the allegedly tortious conduct or representing that it actually furthered the interests of the United States. Nor is a reviewing court making any such determinations in upholding the Department’s certification,” the acting head of the Justice Department’s Civil Division, Brian Boynton, wrote in the new submission.


Read more: https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/07/biden-justice-department-defends-trump-in-suit-over-rape-denial-492088
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Biden Justice Department defends Trump in suit over rape denial (Original Post) brooklynite Jun 2021 OP
The government can always be counted on to defend the interests of government al bupp Jun 2021 #1
To my understanding . . .. Lovie777 Jun 2021 #2
Another one of those headlines that doesn't accurately describe the article ... marble falls Jun 2021 #3
No it has to do with DOJ gab13by13 Jun 2021 #4
+++ JohnSJ Jun 2021 #7
++++++++++ orangecrush Jun 2021 #19
Yes, it's very frustrating LymphocyteLover Jun 2021 #23
The DOJ will never completely flip its position on an issue of defending its own power, privilege, RockRaven Jun 2021 #5
Do you agree? gab13by13 Jun 2021 #6
This is the 3rd time garland has done trump's bidding. PSPS Jun 2021 #8
3D Chess some would say Cetacea Jun 2021 #9
Then they're idiots. Elessar Zappa Jun 2021 #17
I highly doubt that... most people don't care about this enought to change their voting LymphocyteLover Jun 2021 #21
The Chief Executive cannot be subjected to a paralyzing series of private lawsuits bucolic_frolic Jun 2021 #10
A federal judge already ruled gab13by13 Jun 2021 #12
I wonder how many people actually read the article to see what this is about. The 3rd and 4th.... George II Jun 2021 #11
Paragraphs 3 and 4 are not based on any law set in stone. gab13by13 Jun 2021 #15
DOJ continues appeal on behalf of Trump in defamation case brought by sexual assault accuser mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2021 #13
I cannot understand how it is the responsibility of the DOJ to defend Trump for a personal act. Lonestarblue Jun 2021 #14
I agree. I am not a patient person. gab13by13 Jun 2021 #16
So you're not going to vote? Elessar Zappa Jun 2021 #18
I think they are saying their vote won't count anyway because repub. legislation will Jay25 Jun 2021 #28
because like it or not, the statements the shitbeast made were part of his official duties LymphocyteLover Jun 2021 #22
This is bullshit orangecrush Jun 2021 #20
What would the "streets" protest be against? Polybius Jun 2021 #25
What is the b.s.? rpannier Jun 2021 #27
Hopefully, the DOJ already knows that they can't win. nt Roisin Ni Fiachra Jun 2021 #24
I don't have a problem with the DoJ in this rpannier Jun 2021 #26

al bupp

(2,182 posts)
1. The government can always be counted on to defend the interests of government
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 10:27 PM
Jun 2021

This is why we need a strong and free press, as well as open and fair elections, unhindered by restrictive voting laws and ballot access.

Lovie777

(12,321 posts)
2. To my understanding . . ..
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 10:32 PM
Jun 2021

President Biden was not involved nor aware of the decision of certain DOJ's to pursue this effed up matter.

marble falls

(57,172 posts)
3. Another one of those headlines that doesn't accurately describe the article ...
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 10:34 PM
Jun 2021

... Politico's headlines have become click bait.

This has nothing to with the DoJ specifically defending Trump from rape.

gab13by13

(21,385 posts)
4. No it has to do with DOJ
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 10:44 PM
Jun 2021

defending him from defamation, correct?

Meanwhile the SOS of Arizona has gone on TV dozens of times stating that federal election laws are being violated in Arizona by the cyber ninjas yet our DOJ chooses not to intervene there.

RockRaven

(14,990 posts)
5. The DOJ will never completely flip its position on an issue of defending its own power, privilege,
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 10:52 PM
Jun 2021

rights, etc., no matter how corrupt the initial decision was. The DOJ never concedes that they have behaved inappropriately when it comes to executive branch powers/privileges. And their appetite for executive authority is never satiated.

gab13by13

(21,385 posts)
6. Do you agree?
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 11:06 PM
Jun 2021

I don't agree especially since there is no law set in stone that a sitting president can't be indicted.

PSPS

(13,614 posts)
8. This is the 3rd time garland has done trump's bidding.
Tue Jun 8, 2021, 03:02 AM
Jun 2021

This kind of behavior will cost the democrats both the congress and the white house if it hasn't already. Many democrats will just go back to not voting.

Elessar Zappa

(14,033 posts)
17. Then they're idiots.
Tue Jun 8, 2021, 07:12 AM
Jun 2021

If Democrats throw a temper tantrum and don’t vote then we deserve everything coming to us. Adults understand that no party is perfect and that the Republicans are far, far more dangerous than the Democrats.

LymphocyteLover

(5,652 posts)
21. I highly doubt that... most people don't care about this enought to change their voting
Tue Jun 8, 2021, 08:17 AM
Jun 2021

given all sorts of other issues that affect voting more strongly.

The law is complicated.

bucolic_frolic

(43,258 posts)
10. The Chief Executive cannot be subjected to a paralyzing series of private lawsuits
Tue Jun 8, 2021, 06:38 AM
Jun 2021

It's not to say this suit is without merit or the subject of egregious conduct. I think there is no mechanism for sorting the severity of lawsuits, so they're defending the institution.

gab13by13

(21,385 posts)
12. A federal judge already ruled
Tue Jun 8, 2021, 06:45 AM
Jun 2021

the DOJ should not get involved.

So does this mean that the DOJ will defend Trump against the paralyzing civil law suit being brought against him by NY's Letitia James?

George II

(67,782 posts)
11. I wonder how many people actually read the article to see what this is about. The 3rd and 4th....
Tue Jun 8, 2021, 06:42 AM
Jun 2021

....paragraphs sum up the position of the "Biden Administration" (i.e., the Justice Department) in this case.

gab13by13

(21,385 posts)
15. Paragraphs 3 and 4 are not based on any law set in stone.
Tue Jun 8, 2021, 06:52 AM
Jun 2021

Many scholars feel that a sitting president can be indicted. I feel that a sitting president can be indicted, do you?

Remember now a federal judge already ruled the DOJ should not get involved. Maybe if Trump saves some money on lawyer fees he can do more rallies where he can preach against the rule of law.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,586 posts)
13. DOJ continues appeal on behalf of Trump in defamation case brought by sexual assault accuser
Tue Jun 8, 2021, 06:46 AM
Jun 2021
National Security

Justice Dept. continues appeal on behalf of Trump in defamation case brought by sexual assault accuser

By Shayna Jacobs
June 7, 2021 at 10:06 p.m. EDT

NEW YORK — The Justice Department's Civil Division under President Biden is continuing the Trump-era push to represent the former president in a defamation lawsuit brought by author E. Jean Carroll, according to a Monday night appellate court filing.

The lawsuit brought by Carroll — who accused Donald Trump two years ago of sexually assaulting her in the 1990s — has been stalled in litigation over whether the Justice Department had standing to represent him on the grounds that his denials in response to her claim were made while performing his presidential duties.

The legal maneuver would have required a judge to find that a federal tort law that protects government employees from civil liability applies to a sitting president.

Last year, a federal judge in Manhattan rejected the Justice Department’s effort to enter the case on the grounds that both elements were missing from the equation.

{snip}

By Shayna Jacobs
Shayna Jacobs is a federal courts and law enforcement reporter on the national security team at The Washington Post, where she covers the Southern and Eastern districts of New York. Twitter https://twitter.com/shaynajacobs

Lonestarblue

(10,053 posts)
14. I cannot understand how it is the responsibility of the DOJ to defend Trump for a personal act.
Tue Jun 8, 2021, 06:50 AM
Jun 2021

His defamation was not an official act done in the performance of his duty as president. So far, I’m fairly disappointed in the DOJ. This continued support of Trump seems totally unwarranted. And I hope that they are investigating his role and Roger Stone’s role in the January 6 attack since no one else is, but I’m losing faith that anyone part of planning and paying for that insurrection will be held accountable.

And the fact that they’re doing nothing about the violation of federal laws in the Arizona fraud audit is is particularly concerning. A mild warning is not enough. And now that Pennsylvania plans to do the same thing, how about a preemptive strike by ordering those ballots stay in the hands of state officials as required.

gab13by13

(21,385 posts)
16. I agree. I am not a patient person.
Tue Jun 8, 2021, 07:01 AM
Jun 2021

The insurrection did not end on 1/6 but it is getting stronger. People in high places need to go to jail or this insurrection will continue with impunity.

Then Chief of Staff Mark Meadows is allowed to go to DOJ and demand that they investigate bogus election fraud and nothing can be done to him for interfering with DOJ because there is no written law. Well there is no written law that says a sitting president can't be indicted either.

"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything." Explain to me why I should vote in the future if my state has a law where the person who gets the most votes, if he/she is a Democrat, may not be the winner? Where is our DOJ in Arizona?

Jay25

(417 posts)
28. I think they are saying their vote won't count anyway because repub. legislation will
Tue Jun 8, 2021, 03:33 PM
Jun 2021

allow them to toss out the votes that they don't like. The DOJ should be addressing repub voter suppression, instead they are defending Trump.

LymphocyteLover

(5,652 posts)
22. because like it or not, the statements the shitbeast made were part of his official duties
Tue Jun 8, 2021, 08:19 AM
Jun 2021

and fall under government jurisdiction, as nauseating as the whole thing is.

orangecrush

(19,611 posts)
20. This is bullshit
Tue Jun 8, 2021, 08:04 AM
Jun 2021

And had better stop.

The next remedy is the streets

Think about those optics.

And spare me the bullshit rationalizations.

Polybius

(15,470 posts)
25. What would the "streets" protest be against?
Tue Jun 8, 2021, 11:24 AM
Jun 2021

The Biden Justice Department? That would be a bad idea for our hopes in 2022.

rpannier

(24,336 posts)
27. What is the b.s.?
Tue Jun 8, 2021, 02:31 PM
Jun 2021

They're defending the Federal Employees Liability Reform and Tort Compensation Act of 1988, not trump directly
There are issues regarding the President and the protections the office does/does not hold

rpannier

(24,336 posts)
26. I don't have a problem with the DoJ in this
Tue Jun 8, 2021, 02:29 PM
Jun 2021

What the DoJ is doing is defending Federal Employees Liability Reform and Tort Compensation Act of 1988 (aka the Westfall Act)
The Act protects federal employees for "negligent or wrongful act[s] or omission[s]...while acting within the scope of [their] office or employment", the employees are considered immune and the U.S. government becomes the defendant and the case is moved to federal court
Is the President a federal employee? Was he acting within the scope of his office?
This is one of those issues that should be settled by the Courts

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