Evidence grows stronger for Covid vaccine link to heart issue, CDC says
Source: NBC News
A higher-than-usual number of cases of a type of heart inflammation has been reported following Covid-19 vaccination, especially among young men following their second dose of an mRNA vaccine, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Thursday.
Overall, 226 cases of myocarditis or pericarditis after vaccination in people younger than age 30 have been confirmed, Dr. Tom Shimabukuro, deputy director of the CDC's Immunization Safety Office, said during a presentation to a Food and Drug Administration advisory group. Further investigation is needed, however, to confirm whether the vaccination was the cause of the heart problem. Normally, fewer than 100 cases would be expected for this age group.
Teenagers and people in their early 20s accounted for more than half of the myocarditis cases reported to the CDC's safety monitoring systems following Covid-19 vaccination, despite representing a fraction of people who have received the shots.
"We clearly have an imbalance there," Shimabukuro said.
Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/evidence-grows-stronger-covid-vaccine-link-heart-issue-cdc-says-n1270339
Botany
(70,516 posts)n/t
COL Mustard
(5,906 posts)226 out of over 175 million vaccines? Can they show a causal connection, or is this just more ammunition for the anti-vaxxers, especially now that many of us are magnetized?
Botany
(70,516 posts)226/175,000,000 = .0000013 or .00013% chance vs getting a potentially deadly disease that
killed more Americans in one year vs all of WW II.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,913 posts)the statistics you are using are distorted. There are many examples of potential negative side effects of a treatment being mostly confined to a specific demographic among the population at large. This may be one of them. The primary focus here is on males under 30. With the J&J vaccine, for example, the slightly enhanced risk of rare blood clots was mostly to women of child bearing age. There have not been 175,000,000 shots administered to males under 30.
Botany
(70,516 posts)I don't know the # of males < 30 who have got the vaccines. It is still a pretty small risk factor.
But that reality will not stop the anti vaccine idiots from trying to use this information to push their
agenda.
FBaggins
(26,748 posts)But that has to be balanced against the also pretty small risk factor of COVID to an otherwise healthy male under 30.
There are plenty of vaccines that are indicated for specific age ranges but not others.
You don't have to be anti-vax in general (or anti-COVID-vax in particular) in order to be open to the possibility that certain people should not get this jab. Particularly if overall infection rates in the population continue to decline (reducing the risk of community spread caused by some people being unvaccinated).
AllyCat
(16,189 posts)Rest and antibiotics are usually all one needs if we watch for symptoms and catch it early.
Then, again, this is the US where no one can really afford to go to the hospital, even with insurance.
COL Mustard
(5,906 posts)And I know the base of 176 million is too large since it encompasses the entire population. But no matter what the "right" number is, there will be anti-vaxxers who will seize on the side effects of any of the vaccines. That said, I'd much rather have gotten the vaccine, even with the potential side effects, than to have gotten COVID.
Now, since I'm magnetized (I still can't believe that one) can somebody help me get this skillet off my hands????
Jedi Guy
(3,193 posts)COL Mustard
(5,906 posts)madville
(7,412 posts)So the number may be more like 226 cases out of 10,000,000. Not 175 million. Still not a big amount, just double the normal rate.
Botany
(70,516 posts)n/t
Sancho
(9,070 posts)...non-random sample! In other words, the 226 are a sample from an UNKNOWN population, so no one really knows what the expected number of cases should occur.
jaxexpat
(6,833 posts)Botany
(70,516 posts)" ....COVID cases have fallen by 90% since January."
Team Biden
Biden Harris email this AM (June 8th)
Last week, President Biden announced a National Month of Action to make sure we can administer at least one COVID-19 vaccine to 70% of U.S. adults by July 4.
Already, over 63% of U.S. adults have received at least one vaccine dose, and thats had a huge impact on beating back this virus -- COVID cases have fallen by 90% since January.
But its going to take all of us organizing in our communities, having conversations with our friends and loved ones, and spreading the word on social media to hit President Bidens vaccination goal by July 4.
Getting as many people vaccinated as possible is key to building back better, Botany. Weve already seen what this grassroots team can accomplish together, and getting folks vaccinated is the next step.
piddyprints
(14,643 posts)But myocarditis can happen with an actual Covid infection. I'd still take my chance with the vaccine.
AllyCat
(16,189 posts)if one gets Covid. Looking at the odds, I took the chances and got both my male teenagers vaxxed. We are watching for symptoms of this serious condition, but the likelihood is small. One has already been quarantined and they both got exposed at school within two weeks of going back.
madville
(7,412 posts)So say 226 cases out of maybe 10,000,000 recipients.
cstanleytech
(26,294 posts)I suspect that its going to be an extremely small number.
LiberalArkie
(15,719 posts)madville
(7,412 posts)Cases are more than double the normal rate in the same age range with no vaccine.
LiberalArkie
(15,719 posts)I had pericarditis when I was about 30. I thought I had pulled a chest muscle. Eventually I went to the hospital and they thought I was having a heart attack and eventually diagnosed as pericarditis. 3 days of IV antibiotics and I was fine.
The cause of pericarditis often remains unknown but is believed to be most often due to a viral infection.
bucolic_frolic
(43,182 posts)with vaccines or any medication or procedure, though that's small consolation to those afflicted.
oldsoftie
(12,555 posts)1/2 the ad is taken up listing the possible side effects
Sancho
(9,070 posts)how many times does this have to be said before news folks get it?
Maybe the kind of people who chose to be vaccinated are more likely to get myocarditis. Maybe the people who get the vaccine have doctors and insurance, so they are more likely to be diagnosed. There are a pile of rival hypotheses besides a vaccine cause...and there is no way to experimentally "cause" kids to get myocarditis in order to prove a mechanism...so it will take years of post hoc reviews and animal studies, etc. to show causality.
Chances are that kids who get myocarditis also prefer blue shirts or don't like chocolate! If you correlate many variables, there are always random (and usually very small) relationships that are usually meaningless. Real causes are usually difficult to find in all the noise.
Any investigation triggers the news people into illogical frenzies no matter how many times some doctor or scientist tries to put out the fire - and meanwhile the anti-vaccine people have more reason to get stirred up.
I blame the news people for premature newsjaculataion...
jaxexpat
(6,833 posts)Also rumored to cause blindness and impaired judgement.
Crowman2009
(2,497 posts)More young people have been having heart problems nowadays due to poor diet, overconsumption of energy drinks, no exercise, etc.
Lucky Luciano
(11,257 posts)They estimate that the normal number of cases would have been 100, but there were 226 in this sample.
Sancho
(9,070 posts)Other than demographics, there is no way to know right now if the kind of person who chooses to get vaccinated is different than the same person who chooses not to get the vaccine.
The comparison of with the number of cases expected in a population is based on the number of cases of carditis reported over years of time in some database, but that database has no subset of "those who chose to get a vaccine". In other words, it would be easy to make a false conclusion - especially with such a small sample and so many confounding variables.
Lucky Luciano
(11,257 posts)It is also my assumption that a properly run scientific analysis includes the control group that has not gotten vaccinated.
NewEnglandAutumn
(184 posts)Too many questions are left unasked
-cases per___ in non vaccinated population group vs. cases per__in vaccinated population.
-how many of those in each population had actual Covid at some point
-what about females in each population group
The report fails to note correlation v causation. In fact I believe that the press is doing a TERRIBLE job helping people understand what correlation v causation is and what it means. They just have been tossing raw data out for public consumption in an attempt to generate headlines. I also believe that the vast majority of reports in the media about Covid data/trends (particularly concerning vaccine safety) has failed to help people to understand what the data/trends actually means and that because of this the media is doing more harm than good.
-->The whole 'pause' re. J&J vaccine probably happened because of poor reporting & it caused a huge increase in vaccine hesitancy & waste of a LOT of vaccine doses.
All bad reporting does is legitimize the disinformation campaigns in the minds of more people.
**sorry if this post is poorly written I'm seriously sleep deprived at the moment
NH Ethylene
(30,813 posts)Concealing something like this would be far worse.
LifeLongDemocratic
(131 posts)It is also possible that these 226 cases were caused by them getting COVID and not realizing it which caused the myocarditis. They then got the vaccine and myocarditis symptoms appeared which was caused by COVID and not the vaccine.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)^^^
flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)Welcome to DU!
Botany
(70,516 posts)IronLionZion
(45,455 posts)Any sort of ER or hospital care these days requires a COVID test. Unless they had COVID a while ago. Maybe the vaccine immune response was a sort of tipping point if they had a weakened heart from asymptomatic infection before.
speak easy
(9,259 posts)- that is the point of the vaccines after all.
IronLionZion
(45,455 posts)that's what's used in ER/Hospitals.
LittleGirl
(8,287 posts)Exactly! Maybe we should be checking antibodies before vaccinating?
gopiscrap
(23,761 posts)I had two heart attacks (minor) and the doc said it was probably because of having COVID
JCMach1
(27,559 posts)Previous issues were reactivated
NH Ethylene
(30,813 posts)to the risk of serious Covid.
Tommymac
(7,263 posts)I'll not comment - i'll get a warning if so Nuff said.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,034 posts)The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has said it is going to hold a meeting to discuss rare reports of heart inflammation, or myocarditis/pericarditis, in COVID vaccine patients.
The news follows a meeting of the Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee on Thursday, in which data showed that as of May 31, there have been a total of 216 reports of the condition after the first dose of either Pfizer or Moderna vaccines. There were 573 reports after the second dose.
The CDC notes that at least 81 percent of discharged patients aged 30 and under made a full recovery, according to limited outcome data.
It should also be noted that these few heart inflammation cases have arisen out of more than 165 million people who had received at least one dose of a COVID vaccine at the time the data was collected, highlighting their rarity.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/heart-inflammation-rate-after-second-covid-vaccine-is-16-in-a-million-cdc/ar-AAKWrpT z
Sgent
(5,857 posts)but realize that the Big 10 physicians were finding real incidence rates of myocarditis in college athletes after Covid infection (early on).
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2780548
salin
(48,955 posts)Thanks for the reminder.