Biden fires head of Social Security Administration, a Trump holdover who drew the ire of Democrats
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Source: Washington Post
President Biden on Friday fired Social Security Commissioner Andrew Saul, a holdover from the Trump administration who had alienated crucial Democratic constituencies with policies designed to clamp down benefits and an uncompromising anti-union stance. Saul was fired after refusing a request to resign, White House officials said. His deputy, David Black, who was also appointed by former president Donald Trump, resigned Friday upon request. Biden named Kilolo Kijakazi, the current deputy commissioner for retirement and disability policy, to serve as acting commissioner until a permanent nominee is selected.
But Saul said in an interview Friday afternoon that he would not leave his post, challenging the legality of the White House move to oust him. As the head of an independent agency whose leadership does not normally change with a new administration, Sauls six-year term was supposed to last until January 2025. The White House said a recent Supreme Court ruling gives the president power to replace him. Saul disputed that. I consider myself the term-protected Commissioner of Social Security, he said, adding that he plans to be back at work on Monday morning, signing in remotely from his New York home. He called his ouster a Friday Night Massacre.
This was the first I or my deputy knew this was coming, Saul said of the email he received from the White House Personnel Office Friday morning. It was a bolt of lightning no one expected. And right now its left the agency in complete turmoil. Sauls firing came after a tumultuous six-month tenure in the Biden administration during which advocates for the elderly and the disabled and Democrats on Capitol Hill pressured the White House to dismiss him. He had clashed with labor unions that represent his 60,000 employees, who said he used union-busting tactics.
Angry advocates say he dawdled while millions of disabled Americans waited for him to turn over files to the Internal Revenue Service to release their stimulus checks and accused him of an overzealous campaign to make disabled people reestablish their eligibility for benefits. Since taking office, Commissioner Saul has undermined and politicized Social Security disability benefits, terminated the agencys telework policy that was utilized by up to 25 percent of the agencys workforce, not repaired SSAs relationships with relevant Federal employee unions including in the context of COVID-19 workplace safety planning, reduced due process protections for benefits appeals hearings, and taken other actions that run contrary to the mission of the agency and the Presidents policy agenda, the White House said in a statement.
Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/andrew-saul-social-security-/2021/07/09/c18a34fa-df99-11eb-a501-0e69b5d012e5_story.html
Didn't realize this one was still there.
ETA - here is some info on what happened here and the mechanism behind it (from a piece in The Hill) -
By Thomas Hungerford, opinion contributor 01/20/21 06:00 PM EST
The views expressed by contributors are their own and not the view of The Hill
(snip)
This situation is the result of the Social Security Independence and Program Improvements Act of 1994. Before getting into needed changes regarding the terms of the top two positions at SSA, let me provide a bit of background. Before 1994, SSA was part of the Department of Health and Human Services and the commissioner was a political appointee who reported to the HHS secretary.
In the 20 years prior to the introduction of bills that would change that structure, Congress noted an increasing backlog of disability claims, frequent turnover of agency personnel including 12 commissioners, six of whom served as acting commissioners and increasing political intervention in the administration of Social Security. Both the House and Senate version of the bill separated SSA from HHS to establish an independent agency in the executive branch of government. That is, SSA would become independent of HHS but not of the executive branch. The House and Senate versions differed, among other things, on who would run the newly independent agency.
The House version would have created a three-member board appointed by the president subject to Senate confirmation who would serve staggered six-year terms. The board would appoint an executive director to run the agency and would serve a four-year term. The executive director would appoint a deputy director who would serve at their pleasure. The Senate version would have created the office of the commissioner with a commissioner appointed by the president subject to Senate confirmation to serve a four-year term coincident with the presidents term of office. A deputy commissioner would also be appointed by the president subject to Senate confirmation to serve a coincident four-year term.
After the conference to reconcile the differences between the House and Senate versions, the enacted legislation created an independent SSA as part of the executive branch and a commissioner and deputy commissioner appointed by the president subject to Senate confirmation to serve six-year terms. The commissioner does not serve at the pleasure of the president; he or she may be removed from office only pursuant to a finding by the president of neglect of duty or malfeasance in office. The act is silent on the midterm removal of the deputy commissioner; presumably they can be fired at-will by the president.
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/535001-social-security-commissioners-must-be-tied-to-the-president
So I expect all the ducks are in a row regarding malfeasance to do a "for cause" removal.
rickyhall
(4,889 posts)PortTack
(32,782 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,218 posts)ProudMNDemocrat
(16,786 posts)Save the USPS.
brush
(53,797 posts)sakabatou
(42,163 posts)brush
(53,797 posts)pecosbob
(7,542 posts)Anyway, an objective title should have been 'Biden fires head of Social Security Administration, a blatantly partisan Trump holdover who drew the ire of Democrats', but then our press is seldom objective.
leftieNanner
(15,135 posts)The paychecks will end.
And all you have to do to "lock him out" is change his passwords and delete his online account.
Backseat Driver
(4,394 posts)AnnetteChaffee
(1,979 posts)and the telecom department manages all access. We have something called a PIV card that has a chip in it that we have to insert into our computers via our laptops or keyboard in the case of a PC - one click from a network administrator to disable that chip and I would not be able to get past the Windows screen. And further - this is government equipment - we have layers upon layers of security. It's a pain in the butt to have to constantly change our passwords, but its the nature of the beast when you work for the government.
I would not be a bit surprised if they were not tracking his actions since January, especially if they had reason to believe he was acting in a manner that was suspicious or illegal (he was appointed by TFG, so that is pretty much a given). Believe me - he can scream and throw as big a tantrum as he wants, its all for show - he knows he is GONE. He's not logging into ANYTHING on Monday, but its good that he let them know he would be home so they can come and pick up the government owned equipment he has. They have probably already remotely wiped his computer anyway
GET RID OF THE BUMS!
Annette
AnnetteChaffee
(1,979 posts)just disable his network access, remove him from the staff, terminate his email, disable any telecommunications devices he has (phone, etc.) and send police to his home to pick up his government owned equipment before he can get someone to hack into it or sell it to the Russians.
I am 100% positive that they would not have fired him if it were not absolutely legal - and if he has been doing anything stupid since he was asked to resign, such as downloading or printing information - the Telecom department has the capability to see each and every keystroke from his account. They will be able to tell what he may have accessed, printed, saved onto an external hard drive (that shouldn't be possible anyway).
I've worked in telecommunications and currently work for the government - let him try anything funny,, they will catch him very quickly! they can literally watch and track everything you do if they want to.
Get rid of the bums!
Annette
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)TexasTowelie
(112,297 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,090 posts)All they have to do is deactivate his work account. He has access to nothing!
He thinks he's staying but Monday morning he signs into nowhere.
Geez, my last day before retirement, a guy in IT called me and asked when I was going home, so he could deactivate my account right when I didn't need it!
I told him noon, since I knew I was leaving at 10:30. What were they going to do? Fire me?
aggiesal
(8,920 posts)He can work from home, but he wouldn't let the SSA workers work from home during the pandemic.
About 25% were working from home when he stopped it.
MyOwnPeace
(16,929 posts)is going after the F**k the People that TFG put in positions of power!
Post Office next?
elleng
(131,008 posts)gab13by13
(21,371 posts)in intelligence and military agencies. They need weeded out. Someone needs to make DeJoy's life a living hell, he needs to go.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)the GOP is ...
BigmanPigman
(51,613 posts)Another fucking moron, obviously. When you purposely fuck up SS and are anti-union, what do you think a Dem POTUS will do? Duh!
ProfessorGAC
(65,090 posts)If one has been asked to resign, I'd think one would know their time is very limited.
BigmanPigman
(51,613 posts)or else he thinks the rest of us are fucking morons for believing his story.
Maraya1969
(22,486 posts)Trump always uses the "everyone" and "no one" bull lines.
He was asked to resign and he didn't expect to be fired when he refused.
BigmanPigman
(51,613 posts)"Many, many people have said" was a favorite one. I would love these guys to produce all "the people" that "have told him things" over the last 4 years.
wolfie001
(2,261 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,072 posts)wolfie001
(2,261 posts)rurallib
(62,431 posts)Now kick DeJoy's ass out and roll back his changes.
CousinIT
(9,251 posts)...as I had been doing for months. Glad he finally ousted them. Like DeJoy, Saul and Black were appointed to destroy the agencies they presided over.
Evolve Dammit
(16,747 posts)Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Cetacea This message was self-deleted by its author.
hadEnuf
(2,199 posts)What you tried to do to so many of the SS staff was just done to YOU. Maybe you should go to the union and file a complaint.
Tough shit asshole. Get out and stay out or you will be escorted out by security.
Joe Bacon
(5,165 posts)Sick of the "Do More With Less" mantra endlessly repeated by Saul and his anti-Union policies.
JohnnyRingo
(18,637 posts)I hope he can remember the new password. hahaha
ProfessorGAC
(65,090 posts)Would take an IT person 30 seconds to deactivate & archive an account.
Passwords no longer matter!
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,586 posts)If he wants to challenge his dismissal, he can do it on his own time, using his own money to pay for the lawyers, and using his personal computer and internet connection. If he tries to log back on, arrest his ass. If the equipment he's using at home is government issued and he refuses to surrender it, arrest his ass.
ProfessorGAC
(65,090 posts)I gave back my laptop, cellphone, security badge (for 3 US sites & corporate), the morning of my last day.
My account was, because I ok'd it, deactivated at noon of my last day before I retired. (I left at 10:30)
I'm sure this is standard for all big workplaces, private or governmental.
MichMan
(11,943 posts)Last summer, the State of Michigan fired a contract Unemployment Dept. employee when they discovered her fraudulently approving claims to dozens of friends who kicked back some of the proceeds to her.
Inexplicably, after firing her, the State failed to seize her computer or cancel her password access to the system, so she continued to do it from home for another month after being fired. When arrested, she had $200k in cash in her house and a lot of luxury items she purchased. Complete incompetence of Michigan state government.
She was just found guilty of stealing $3.8 million from taxpayers and is awaiting sentencing.
mountain grammy
(26,631 posts)AllaN01Bear
(18,289 posts)and bush appointees , please tender your resignaton. pronto.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)charliea
(260 posts)Will he call and complain to the IT folk that his logon isn't working? Is he so delusional that he thinks his access will continue after he's shown the door (fired)?
That is some super presumed privilege...
droidamus2
(1,699 posts)Since the article says he was given the opportunity to resign how can he say the firing came out of the blue. Sure you get fired and you say I am coming to work anyway I want to see how that works out.
Backseat Driver
(4,394 posts)Been there; done that! DH tried to hang on to a DEM appointed county IT job we desperately needed, once upon a time in a galaxy far away. I always thought there were lots of complicating issues surrounding his loss of employment and only gradually I came to realize it was just as this post's title says - HAH! - or perhaps it really WAS one or more of those issues...
leftieNanner
(15,135 posts)He was the one who refused to turn over TFGs tax returns after he received a lawful request for them from Ways and Means.
I think he's still there. He should be canned as well.
DFW
(54,415 posts)And gets arrested for trespassing.
kacekwl
(7,017 posts)I serve at the pleasure of the president. Adios pal.
BumRushDaShow
(129,197 posts)I just added some info in the OP about this particular position.
Liberty Belle
(9,535 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,197 posts)taking it out from under HHS and making it independent, also created a stipulation that removals had to basically be "for cause" - I just added that to the OP. Biden was in the Senate when that legislation was enacted. And it would have required getting all the justifications together.
I am retired from an HHS agency and remember when they did all that reorg stuff but wasn't sure of all the details for SSA. Most times, a President leaves and those heads that are "quasi" go on and submit their resignations.
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,197 posts)it has to be "for cause" and just from the OP info regarding the mess this appointee has done, including messing with the Stimulus checks (which were mandated by law), then the firing is legit.
I.e., this part (from the OP), which was part of the WH statement, is probably part of their justification for "malfeasance" to justify the firing -
thenelm1
(854 posts)twodogsbarking
(9,770 posts)As an employer I am certain he hated paying. Guess that is part of the case against his organization, eh.
mdbl
(4,973 posts)maybe he'll get the hint then. As a matter of fact, I hope this administration is doing everything it can to limit access by weirdo repugs who wish to do harm to our democracy. None of them should have access to anything.
Silver Swan
(1,110 posts)I worked under many different commissioners. Regardless of party they seemed to support the mission of the agency. I am happy to get rid of one who didn't!
Stuart G
(38,436 posts)Joe is on our side. Joe has the backing of some former Presidents of the U.S.A. and wonderful people
who have run for that office. Joe Biden being President of the U.S.A. at this time is a great
gift...And most important of all: Joe is one of us, has our feelings and our values.. ....
.....That last sentence must never be forgotten: ...Joe is one of us!!!!
BumRushDaShow
(129,197 posts)when they reorganized SSA to be out from HHS.
It's a similar issue to what was done with FEMA more recently (which was independent, then thrown under DHS by Shrub, and then taken out again by Obama after the DHS Skeletor situation failed).
BradAllison
(1,879 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,197 posts)There's no "at the pleasure of the President" or "for cause" removal for the Postmaster General position unfortunately because that person is actually selected by the Board. But getting the proper people on the Board means they could immediately start a search for a new Postmaster General (as recommended/approved by the President) and can then send FUCKING DEJOY on his way. Ahem... sorry.
Corgigal
(9,291 posts)would never want an appointed person from TFG to have access to the weakest among us. Also add the amount of funding sitting there. Wouldnt trust him with a ten foot poll.
Hekate
(90,737 posts)Trueblue1968
(17,230 posts)ailsagirl
(22,897 posts)The Unmitigated Gall
(3,821 posts)Move along...
Ford_Prefect
(7,905 posts)turbinetree
(24,709 posts)Last edited Sat Jul 10, 2021, 09:40 AM - Edit history (1)
At-Will Defined
At-will means that an employer can terminate an employee at any time for any reason, except an illegal one, or for no reason without incurring legal liability. Likewise, an employee is free to leave a job at any time for any or no reason with no adverse legal consequences.
At-will also means that an employer can change the terms of the employment relationship with no notice and no consequences. For example, an employer can alter wages, terminate benefits, or reduce paid time off. In its unadulterated form, the U.S. at-will rule leaves employees vulnerable to arbitrary and sudden dismissal, a limited or on-call work schedule depending on the employers needs, and unannounced cuts in pay and benefits.
Maybe a federal agents should escort you out of the building....that can be done also....after you clean out your desk.....
LudwigPastorius
(9,156 posts)orangecrush
(19,581 posts)Go full Gordon on them, Joe!!! 🤣
Maraya1969
(22,486 posts)their eligibility for benefits."
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I have a mental illness that caused me to go on SSD in my late 20's. This was after I literally worked my way down from a great job on Wall Street to working in the backroom of a hardware store; I finally admitted defeat and applied for SSD. I got a lawyer right away and had a good doctor and both told me to NOT TALK TO ANYONE AT SOCIAL SECURITY, except when I had to.
But over the years they would call and I could tell they were trying to get me kicked off. I felt like they would make a bonus or something for every person who they got kicked off SSD. I got very little money from them because I couldn't keep a damn job and they used my earnings to decide my benefit but I stayed on because I needed the health insurance.
My point is that being on disability is humiliating enough and to have people call you and say things like, "Well you can just take your medications if you have panic attacks" is fucking infuriating. I'm glad I never engaged with them because I had good people who were on my side, (my doctor and my lawyer) who told me not to.
Even so I do remember a number of times having to fill out forms about my illness or work or something. I remember my mother telling me that I should fill out everything very neatly blah blah blah. But by that time I had already learned the game and would often fill the fucking things out with crayons.
Some things just make you jaded a bit.
XanaDUer2
(10,696 posts)I just sent in my secondary paperwork about my activities of daily living. Good to know I shouldn't talk to anyone from SS. I already have a lawyer lined up for my denial.
It is infuriating. I'm thrilled with this firing.
Maraya1969
(22,486 posts)if they still do that. I knew a woman who was very well spoken but fruity as a bat. Still she went in there and tried to impress the doctor with what she knew and she was denied. I just didn't say much. Maybe my vague answers looked like I was confused (?)
I certainly did not fake the damn mental illness but I was not going to go in and try to impress their doctor with my education or anything.
I guess my advise is, "Keep your eye on the ball"
Good luck to you!
XanaDUer2
(10,696 posts)then the paperwork. Get this-some woman from SSA called me and the person helping me and left messages telling us to hurry up and do the paperwork for activities of daily living and mail it asap! That shocked us. We'd basically just gotten it.
So there's an in-person interview? I guess that makes sense. My lawyer told me to contact him as soon as I get my denial. Which I'll do.
No, I have no interest in impressing anyone. Sometimes, maybe, people feel ashamed and want to prove how smart they are? It's not a job interview.
Maraya1969
(22,486 posts)that the lawyers want you to apply first. The thing I don't like about that is if they want their cut from the very beginning when they weren't involved. (You give them a % of your settlement once your are accepted which includes all the money from when you first applied)
So I guess it is good to get it in as fast as possible because that is when the clock starts. But I would call the lawyer and ask anyway just to be sure. They will get paid so they shouldn't care to answer your questions.
XanaDUer2
(10,696 posts)they work together for patients getting on ssdi. I had a lengthy consultation with him, and I got a good feeling from him. Good to know that's when the clock starts.
I'm a little nervous because it's unknown to me.