National nurse union calls for CDC to reinstate mask mandate
Source: WSOC
Right now, we know that theres about a 22% increase in COVID cases in the last two weeks, Burger said. Thats significant. That tells you that the voluntary mask-use policy is not working. We need clearer guidelines.
The union sent a letter this week to the CDC that indicated their concerns, which include rising case counts, hospitalizations and the emergence of the Delta variant.
What were concerned about is that a variant will occur that will work its way around the vaccine that we currently have, and then were back at square one again, Burger said.
The letter stated, More than 40 states have seen an increase in daily new cases over the previous two weeks, and more than 25 states have seen an increase in hospitalizations.
Read more: https://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/national-nurse-union-calls-cdc-reinstate-mask-mandate/2WWPKOWRUNBORGEXUWIVEMDQHA/
Rhiannon12866
(205,731 posts)sheilahi
(277 posts)Want to hear a classic? When I told my trumpster neighbor that she and her family should get vaccinated because the hospitals were filling up with covid cases, she actually said this: "No, the reason hospitals are filling up is because you Democrats defunded the police and all those patients are victims of gunshot wounds". Send me your thoughts and prayers for living next door to this nut job. Thank you.
Rhiannon12866
(205,731 posts)So I guess that this idiot is a fan of gun control - tell her that you sure agree with her about that! If there were fewer guns on the street, fewer people would be getting shot - though if there were actually fewer police, there would be fewer police shootings, your neighbor can't have it both ways. But I know it's not supposed to make sense, these uninformed ramblings never do.
Even here in New York, we still have plenty of them, too. I didn't see any Trump signs back in 2016, but this time there were actually banners! Including the creep right across the street - and the house across the street from my polling place!
Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)idiot that our friend here has to live next door to.
riversedge
(70,266 posts)or out in a public place.
Gore1FL
(21,134 posts)Elessar Zappa
(14,016 posts)Its going to be very hard to convince most people to put their mask back on.
pstokely
(10,530 posts)?
Kahuna
(27,311 posts)they should not have dropped the mandate until their stated herd immunity had been reached. Now you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. Those who were resistant to masks will continue to be resistant.
mpcamb
(2,871 posts)Deminpenn
(15,289 posts)Rhiannon12866
(205,731 posts)Grocery store, pharmacy, gas station, bank, everywhere. And it was enforced - even the local Walmart had a mask checker at the entrance. But starting this month, the signs have changed, masks are only required for the unvaccinated - and we know how well the honor system works. I rarely see a mask these days, about half of the employees, like at pharmacies - and me. And I was fully vaccinated at the end of March. But despite the increase in cases, there's no putting the genie back in the bottle.
twodogsbarking
(9,777 posts)All the facts were available. Extremely stupid.
pazzyanne
(6,556 posts)Kahuna
(27,311 posts)I was hopping mad when they did that because...human nature. Then that Dr. Walensky was on CNN with a "whatever" attitude. And the anchors were mask shaming people who are vaccinated who still wear masks. I'll bet they're wearing masks now in public spaces.
Paper Roses
(7,473 posts)Last edited Fri Jul 16, 2021, 01:09 PM - Edit history (1)
I volunteer at a thrift shop that is associated with a church. (I don't belong to this church but I thought it was a way to give back). Yesterday at work, about 50% were still wearing masks, as was I.
I talked to several of the mask wearers and we all came to the same conclusion. The simple act of wearing a mask will help us and those with whom we come in contact.
To this day, I cannot understand why anyone would object. They help themselves and those around them. If the Delta virus gets worse, I will have no sympathy for those who say that the mask is against their beliefs. I wonder, do they believe that catching this or any other virus is in their best interest?
A simple act like mask wearing is not bothersome, it might be lifesaving. I cannot understand the hesitancy. To make matters worse, I have a sister in Florida who will not even get a virus shot.
She is bright but has health issues. Why in heaven will she or any others not get the shot?
Oh yea, I just remembered, she is a tRump fan. I guess that is the answer. P.S. I forgot to mention she lives in Florida. What is it about certain states that convince residents to avoid the vaccine?
Rebl2
(13,535 posts)SunImp
(2,224 posts)Cousin Dupree
(1,866 posts)They will wait too long and will do it only when there is no choice. The CDC will make a significant contribution to death rates.
LisaL
(44,974 posts)It's not like they didn't know that more contagious variants were starting to spread in US.
Cousin Dupree
(1,866 posts)imavoter
(646 posts)we need masks on or the variants will keep a move on...
not to mention there is evidence now that a vaccinated person can spread the variant and not know it.
progree
(10,910 posts)actually average of 7 days ending July 15 (28,315) compared to average of 7 days ending July 1 (12,799)
That's more than a doubling, that's a 2.21 fold increase.
And all states, yes ALL states are showing an increase in the last 14 days. Every f***ing single last one of them, with zero, nil, zippo exceptions.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html
BumRushDaShow
(129,243 posts)I'm still monitoring the cases here in PA (and Philly) and they are creeping up. Not to the degree of other states yet nor when compared to last year at this time when we had a huge spike after July 4th. But the 14-day daily averages have definitely gone up.
We had reached a "steady-state low" after a small post-Memorial Day blip that was embedded in a general case decline as vaccines continued to occur and people moved outside more, but the trend reversed. We had sortof leveled off to about 24/25 cases per day but the past couple weeks that average has definitely gone up.
Locally they are down to only reporting twice a week (the totals go back to last year when the official tracking commenced).
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@PHLPublicHealth
July 15, 2021 @Philadelphia COVID-19 update:
145,726 Philadelphians diagnosed with COVID-19
3,754 Philadelphians have died from COVID-19
35 new cases per day over the last two weeks
For more information: http://ow.ly/oD5Q50F9ZpR
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1:12 PM · Jul 15, 2021
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@PHLPublicHealth
July 12, 2021 @Philadelphia COVID-19 update:
145,549 Philadelphians diagnosed with COVID-19
3,754 Philadelphians have died from COVID-19
28 new cases per day over the last two weeks
For more information: http://ow.ly/oD5Q50F9ZpR
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1:01 PM · Jul 12, 2021
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@PHLPublicHealth
July 8, 2021 @Philadelphia COVID-19 update:
145,424 Philadelphians diagnosed with COVID-19
3,746 Philadelphians have died from COVID-19
24 new cases per day over the last two weeks
For more information: http://ow.ly/oD5Q50F9ZpR
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1:01 PM · Jul 8, 2021
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@PHLPublicHealth
July 6, 2021 @Philadelphia COVID-19 update:
145,367 Philadelphians diagnosed with COVID-19
3,743 Philadelphians have died from COVID-19
23 new cases per day over the last two weeks
For more information: http://ow.ly/oD5Q50F9ZpR
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1:01 PM · Jul 6, 2021
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@PHLPublicHealth
July 1, 2021 @Philadelphia COVID-19 update:
145,266 Philadelphians diagnosed with COVID-19
3,740 Philadelphians have died from COVID-19
25 new cases per day over the last two weeks
For more information: http://ow.ly/oD5Q50F9ZpR
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1:01 PM · Jul 1, 2021
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@PHLPublicHealth
June 28, 2021 @Philadelphia COVID-19 update:
145,037 Philadelphians diagnosed with COVID-19
3,739 Philadelphians have died from COVID-19
24 new cases per day over the last two weeks
For more information: http://ow.ly/oD5Q50F9ZpR
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1:02 PM · Jun 28, 2021
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@PHLPublicHealth
June 24, 2021 @Philadelphia COVID-19 update:
144,968 Philadelphians diagnosed with COVID-19
3,736 Philadelphians have died from COVID-19
24 new cases per day over the last two weeks
For more information: http://ow.ly/oD5Q50F9ZpR
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1:15 PM · Jun 24, 2021
Neighboring NJ has shot up even more than PA.
LisaL
(44,974 posts)We stopped mask mandates, social distancing and opened everything up. Just went delta started spreading.
BumRushDaShow
(129,243 posts)Many stores and other facilities kept mask mandates here and at least the supermarkets around here also have checkers still masked, and I sure as hell still double-mask going into one.
PA waited until the end of June to lift the final mask mandates, so the increases have been "slower" (in quotes) thanks to that -
06/25/2021
Harrisburg, PA - The Pennsylvania Department of Health today announced that the order requiring universal face coverings will be lifted statewide at 12:01 a.m. on Monday, June 28.
We are continuing to make progress toward stopping the spread of COVID-19 throughout the commonwealth, as many Pennsylvanians have taken responsibility for their own health and the health of their communities by getting vaccinated, Acting Secretary of Health Alison Beam said. Even though the universal masking order will be lifted in a few days, businesses, organizations, health care providers and other entities maintain the option of requiring employees, guests or customers to wear a mask, regardless of their vaccination status.
The department continues to urge Pennsylvanians to follow CDC guidance for wearing a mask where required by law, rule, and regulations, including healthcare, local business and workplace guidance. For the protection of themselves and others, individuals who have not yet been vaccinated or are partially vaccinated are still encouraged to wear a mask when in public. The CDC requires individuals to wear a mask on planes, buses, trains, and other forms of public transportation traveling into, within, or out of the United States, and in U.S. transportation hubs, such as airports and stations. In addition, all individuals should still follow guidance at workplaces, local businesses, long-term care facilities, hospitals and other healthcare facilities, prisons, and shelters.
As we shift to wearing masks less often, it is important to remain resilient in the fight against COVID-19, just as we have done together over the last year and a half, Acting Physician General Dr. Denise Johnson said. The COVID-19 vaccines are the best tools we have to defeat COVID-19. Pennsylvanians are aware of this and have been getting vaccinated. If you have not already been vaccinated, there are plenty of options available near you. Getting as many Pennsylvanians vaccinated as possible will offer more protection against the virus for everyone and is the fastest and safest way for us to return to our normal activities.
According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) vaccine tracker, as of Friday morning, June 25, 74.9 percent of Pennsylvanians age 18 and older have received their first dose, while 59.4 percent are fully vaccinated. The commonwealth ranks 8th among all 50 states for first doses administered by percentage of population.
Additionally, individuals are reminded that public health measures such as isolation and quarantine are necessary to prevent the spread of infection. It is important for individuals who are sick to stay home unless seeking medical care or COVID-19 testing. Individuals who are identified as close contacts of a person with COVID-19 should cooperate with all public health recommendations, including quarantine, so that if they become infected, they will not spread infection to others.
The universal masking order was originally issued on April 15, 2020, updated on November 18, 2020 and again March 17, 2021.
For more information about Pennsylvanias vaccination program, click here.
MEDIA CONTACT: Mark O'Neill - ra-dhpressoffice@pa.gov
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https://www.media.pa.gov/pages/health-details.aspx?newsid=1505
PA is at about 61% of the 18+ age group fully vaccinated but it drops to around 51% if you include the 12 - 17 set.
progree
(10,910 posts)Minnesota Public Radio is eliminating its daily "Covid in MN" report beginning Saturday because:
And the Health Department has stopped reporting cases on the weekend, so I'm not real sure how to read their reports anymore.
Per New York Times Our numbers of daily new cases are still quite low (3 per 100,000 population compared to the U.S. average of 9 per 100,000), but they are increasing: +97% in the last 2 weeks (7 day average ending July 15 compared to 7 day average ending July 1), in other words almost exactly a doubling in 2 weeks.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html
BumRushDaShow
(129,243 posts)the poor Health Department staff are just "burnt out".
And as it is, PA lost it's Health Director to Biden (Rachel Levine - now in HHS) and we lost our Philly Health Director Tom Farley due to a scandal that bubbled up over the disposition of the remains of some of the deceased MOVE children... So both entities sortof went into a stasis.
I don't know how many times we have cycled through this the past year and a half. It's literally like putting out a fire and they see some smoldering debris still left in a corner somewhere but sortof wave it away assuming it will snuff itself out. Yet it doesn't and sparks from it reignite fresh new fuel to burn again.
It's not like we don't have historic data including plots of peaks (waves) and troughs (ebbs) of past pandemics. But too many are like "Well we got this, so move on". NO we ain't "got this". It got US!
LisaL
(44,974 posts)Republicans there must be so proud their efforts are paying off.
FloridaBlues
(4,008 posts)LisaL
(44,974 posts)that vaccinated people don't need masks to begin with.
And here we are-even DU developed a bunch of anti-maskers since then.
BumRushDaShow
(129,243 posts)the Philly School District just announced yesterday that they WILL require masks this fall and will have air purifiers in every classroom/shared space in the schools. Realistically, this is the ONLY way they can attempt to mitigate old, piece of junk buildings that lack proper or functional ventilation and/or are chronically plagued with mold, asbestos, and other contaminants. As long as they are maintained properly, the benefits will be amazing because they will take what are essentially "sick buildings" and finally improve the environments within them.
As much as they talk about the prevalence of asthma in juvenile black and brown communities, they always blame it on "smoking" and rarely on the buildings they are in much of their day, with non-potable water, leaking pipes and roofs, inconsistent heating, lack of cooling of any kind beyond fans, and a prevalence of mold trapped in ceiling tiles and on walls.
by Oona Goodin-Smith and Kristen A. Graham
Updated Jul 15, 2021
Equipped with air purifiers in each classroom and planning to require anyone in schools to wear a mask, the Philadelphia School District will welcome back its 120,000 students in all buildings on Aug. 31 for the return of full-time in-person learning for the first time since the onset of the coronavirus pandemic, district officials announced Thursday.
We have taken every precaution and added some precautions ... to ensure that we have appropriate mitigation strategies, Superintendent William R. Hite Jr. said during a news briefing at Juniata Park Academy. There, officials displayed the three types of air purifiers that will be placed in classrooms and throughout the districts more than 200 buildings by the end of July.
Using ActivePure Technology originally developed by NASA, the purifiers can eliminate 99% of the novel coronavirus within three minutes, said chief operating officer Reggie McNeil. They also eliminate other viruses, bacteria, mold, and fungi on both surfaces and in the air.
It started off with testing out for the space station, McNeil said. Its been tested by independent laboratories. Its been tested in schools. Its been tested without being in space. So, were pretty confident on the product. Money for the purifiers a $4.5 million investment came from federal funding, predominantly provided by the American Recovery Act, Hite said.
https://www.inquirer.com/education/philadelphia-school-district-reopening-masks-air-purifiers-2021-20210715.html
School District COO Reggie McNeil
That's a FAR cry from this, which was the original "solution".
Tarc
(10,476 posts)Not to return the rest of us to the mask days.
LisaL
(44,974 posts)So your claim isn't true. And never mind kids under 12 can't be vaccinated right now.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)Over 99% of the new hospitalizations are for the unvaccinated, a group for which I have precisely zero sympathy.
Under-12 hospitalizations have not increased since the Delta emergence, either.
Deminpenn
(15,289 posts)nt
LisaL
(44,974 posts)misinformation.
BumRushDaShow
(129,243 posts)Whether someone is "hospitalized" or not is irrelevant.
There is prevailing misinformation that vaccines are a complete shield for any infection at all.
Whether a case is "asymptomatic" or "mild" is not the point. Vaccination helps the body to fight it if infected, but it's still there in the body and can be shed - albeit with a significantly lower load level that has a lesser chance to survive if it did get shed.
COVID-19 is not like a cold or flu bug where you can just shake it off and move on generally unscathed. This thing can cause damage to certain organs that flus don't touch (like the renal system).
And this is where the problem with Delta comes into play because its viral configuration makes it more contagious.
LisaL
(44,974 posts)Vaccinated people can still be infected (as evidenced by fully vaccinated celebrities and athletes getting infected).
It's supposed to be "milder" in general, but even mild covid isn't going to be pleasant for most.
And vaccinated people can be hospitalized. Some will still die.
LisaL
(44,974 posts)And even a "mild" covid case can be very unpleasant, to say the least.
PSPS
(13,606 posts)The current vaccines have been shown only to be effective at preventing "serious side effects" from delta (i.e., hospitalizations and death.) You can still become infected, be contagious, and be susceptible to other side effects like a long-termer (brain fog, etc.)
Tarc
(10,476 posts)There is no basis in reality for your claims, Ms. Moscow.
Polybius
(15,462 posts)You keep calling others names who you disagree with.
Polybius
(15,462 posts)The only thing 99% adds up to is Covid deaths. 99% of deaths are unvaxxed. Right now, my friend's parents have it. Both got their shots in February/March. Several Yankees have it too.
Deminpenn
(15,289 posts)infected or hospitalized. That is what the evidence shows. Anecdotal evidence is not actual, scientific evidence.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)Your insipid anecdotal tales are irrelevant.
Polybius
(15,462 posts)No need to use big snarky words, however. Calling others names is for internet tough guys.
KS Toronado
(17,284 posts)Need more of them in Congress.
Yavin4
(35,445 posts)That would do more to stop the spread than masks. S. Korea and Australia both have very strict mask AND quarantine rules, yet their cases and deaths are both increasing.
Too many people think that masks are some sort of magic when they're not.
Pobeka
(4,999 posts)Each dot is one of the 50 states.
BumRushDaShow
(129,243 posts)for a 3D plot.
(the snaphots over time that you animated)
Pobeka
(4,999 posts)Third dimension is time.
BumRushDaShow
(129,243 posts)(as a former chemist who has done 3D plots)
But 3D plots are still cool looking although your plot with the animation does convey the same thing without an actual labled scale.
Pobeka
(4,999 posts)What variables would you put on the 3 axes?
BumRushDaShow
(129,243 posts)but with "curves" and show the moving data for each of the states... So if you rotate it around you can see the trend
Thinking -
X would be each state (which is basically "fixed" )
Y could maybe be a positive cases/vaccination rate ratio
Z would be time
The "over time" plot would run as little hills and valleys for each state. My brain is trying to visualize something like this -
What a ratio would look like plotted and the meaning of it, might be interesting to evaluate (at least if it verifies proportionality - and notably if there was enough data for Delta cases vs others as an overlay, which is still difficult to do at this juncture due to the cost/time associated with genetically verifying any of the variants).
CrispyQ
(36,487 posts)Hardly anyone wears a mask where I live. Even employees at the stores are maskless, facing customers all day long.
Marthe48
(16,994 posts)I glumly accepted last year that I will probably wear a mask the rest of my life. There are benefits to mask-wearing that others have mentioned. I can swear at people, I can make snide remarks, and I don't have to worry if there's anything stuck in my teeth.
I am still isolating, a little less with summer, because I'm watching the grandkids. I'm still using curbside pickup and home delivery, and shopping online. I can stay in touch with my loved ones by phone and social media. I even do an exercise class on Zoom.
Along with Covid-19, there are other hazards I'm avoiding, such as gunshot wounds.
The government is made up of humans. Medical professionals are humans. We are all on square one as we learn to deal with a deadly disease that is beside us, not behind us. My personal choice is to wear a mask, and avoid dying from traitor's plague.
IronLionZion
(45,475 posts)saying it was way too soon. Businesses and local governments would need some time and guidance to implement the change correctly instead of opening up 100% overnight. Now the variance between businesses who are still strict about masking vs those who don't care is causing conflicts with customers.
Scrivener7
(50,985 posts)LisaL
(44,974 posts)I knew it then and it's very clear now.
Pobeka
(4,999 posts)They acted on old information, rather than using other countries experiences with delta variant to get *ahead* of the problem.
Delta is more infectious because viral load is a lot higher, before people even show any symptoms.
So they start spreading it earlier, when they don't even know they are infected.
seta1950
(933 posts)Masks should not have been removed indoors at all, we have to stop whining about it.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)reasonably priced, as well.
mbmsr
(28 posts)Let them suffer the consequences and after words this country will be better off!
marble falls
(57,137 posts)mbmsr
(28 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,243 posts)It teaches the body to recognize it IF you get infected by it, which means your body can then respond with antibodies to fight it - AFTER getting infected. But it doesn't keep the virus from entering the various openings in your body that lead to your respiratory system and the rest of your major organs, which that virus can attack like your kidneys (renal system), vascular and respiratory systems, digestive tract, and nervous system.
By having the vaccine, they have said over and over that it reduces SEVERE illness but it doesn't eliminate having ANY illness at all.
mbmsr
(28 posts)I never said it was a magic shield! but I am not going to spend my life being afraid! People still have sex even when you practice safe sex it's not 100% against HIV but at some point you just have live your life!
BumRushDaShow
(129,243 posts)This will be forever!!!111!!!!!!!!
There's a difference between "fear" and "common sense", which includes "awareness/caution", because this virus is still "novel".
And since you bring up "safe sex", which might involve use of condoms to keep STDs at bay (like syphilis and gonorrhea, as well as BOTH HiV and HPV), then certainly THAT makes sense as an analogy to wearing a mask when it comes to COVID-19.
mbmsr
(28 posts)This is never going to go away until there is a near 100% vaccination rate! It's has nothing to do with common sense because the other side doesn't have any!
BumRushDaShow
(129,243 posts)Did you know that there are large numbers of healthcare workers and first responders/emergency personnel (like police, fire, EMS workers) who have refused to be vaccinated?
Many of them are insisting the reason is that the vaccines are only approved for "Emergency Use" vs what will probably happen by this fall - a full "traditional" approval.
So it's not just all "the other side". And no it will not "go away" as long as common sense is thrown out the window.
If you implement a layered strategy for reducing the ability of the virus to get established in some "host" by reducing the means for transmission between hosts, then you reduce the ability for it to mutate. I.e., any "breakthroughs" can mean that although the body might have had enough antibodies to attack and eradicate much of the viral load, you still might have some virus that manages to "survive" those antibodies, and THAT is what suggests a mutation has resulted - IF the cells with that mutation can stay viable in that new configuration and replicate. In most cases, they can't and don't. But in other cases they might, and off it goes into a spread mode.
mbmsr
(28 posts)The delta variant is a problem because of unvaccinated nothing is stopping these people from getting the vaccine. They are putting society ay risk. That's why I say if you don't get the vaccine than you don't get access to the hospital when you get sick. You can call that a knee jerk reaction but why shouldn't these people face consequences for there actions and let them hold everyone else hostage.
progree
(10,910 posts)https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/us-vaccine-demographics.html
So when people post here that the unvaccinated are disproportionately stupid or assholes, it implies that people of color are too.
NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)and it doesnt matter what color their skin is. I have no sympathy whatsoever for anyone who can get vaccinated and chooses not to.
progree
(10,910 posts)as other posters write about the unvaccinated).
I wrote a posting about some of the reasons for the lower vaccination rates of people of color that disproportionately affect them, and it's not because they are disproportionately assholes or disproportionately stupid and disproportionately deserve to have medical care withheld from them -- unless you wish to make that argument...
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215476640#post26
Here are some more perspectives on why it is more challenging for some.
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The COVID Vaccine Is Free, but Not Everyone Believes That, New York Times, 6/2/21
(unfortunately this old link is bad, but the excerpt gives the gist)
https://www.yahoo.com/news/covid-vaccine-free-not-everyone-114102581.html
When Paul Moser considers getting a coronavirus vaccine, he also thinks about his outstanding medical debt: $1,200 from a few urology visits that he has been unable to pay off.
Moser, a 52-year-old gas station cashier in New York state, has friends who were surprised by bills for coronavirus tests and worries the same could happen with the vaccine. For now, he is holding off on getting his shot.
We were told by the legislators that all the testing was supposed to be free, and then, surprise, its $150, he said. I agree its important to get vaccinated, but I dont have a sense of urgency around it.
... A recent Kaiser Family Foundation poll found that about a third of unvaccinated adults were unsure whether insurance covered the new vaccine and were concerned they might need to pay for the shot. The concern was especially pronounced among Hispanic and Black survey respondents.
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Make Vaccines More Accessible; Many Essential Workers Still Unvaccinated, Can't Get Time Off Work, 6/3/21
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016294483
People without college degrees are less likely to be vaccinated than people with college degrees, even after accounting for their political party or race. Vaccination rates also correspond to income: the more you make, the more likely you are to be vaccinated. Among people who say they are willing to get the vaccine, about three-quarters of people with household income under $25,000 have received at least one dose, compared to 93% of people with household income of $200,000 or more.
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Anti-vaccine film targeted to Black Americans spreads false information, 6/8/21
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2021/06/08/npr-anti-vaccine-film-targeted-to-black-americans-spreads-false-information
Black Americans have twice the risk of dying from COVID-19 compared to White Americans (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/investigations-discovery/hospitalization-death-by-race-ethnicity.html) . Racial disparities in vaccination uptake persist across the U.S. (https://khn.org/news/article/covid-vaccination-stark-racial-disparities-persist-state-level-cdc-data/ )
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I'm reading a book now about how African Americans have been abused by the medical system and government, it is much much more than the Tuskegee experiments. Such as involuntary sterilizations, medical experiments, the asshole gynecologist who did research without anesthetic, the list goes on and on.
NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)The facts are out there for anyone with interest to learn about. I have zero tolerance for anti-vaxxers who at best choose to remain ignorant and at worst are deliberately spreading misinformation.
Willfully ignorant or malicious asshole. Anti-vaxxers fit into one of those categories.
BumRushDaShow
(129,243 posts)whether it's due to lack of access, language barriers, or gullibility to the rampant misinformation spread on social media. And they sure as hell aren't Faux Snooze watchers. And many of them make up a big chunk of the nursing home and long term care facility personnel, who deal with patients in sometimes congested situations, yet refuse to be vaccinated even as their patients are vaccinated. These were the very types of facilities that experienced the bulk of the fatalities early on in the pandemic.
There are also places with upwards of 40% of medical personnel unvaccinated - https://www.axios.com/survey-hospital-workers-refuse-covid-vaccine-d69d801a-3b17-49d5-a7be-c844fc378fe7.html
And that includes here in my area of PA - https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2021/04/19/covid-in-pennsylvania-nearly-half-of-nursing-home-workers-in-pennsylvania-have-declined-covid-19-vaccine-report-shows/
(as of April 2021)
And the only thing helping many of them hang on as long as they have (if they haven't already been infected, and/or hospitalized, and/or have died from the disease, or left the field) is access to PPE (like N95 masks and other protective clothing) that the average person doesn't have access to.
BumRushDaShow
(129,243 posts)by trying to put it all on "one side" vs accepting the fact that "common sense" doesn't mean pointing a finger at "the other side" for what they are not doing while blindly not doing enough yourself to mitigate this problem. It's not a "single" solution problem because of the nature of the virus, its means for transmission, and the extent of the disease that it can potentially inflict.
So it's way more complex than the "just get a vaccine and you're home free" message. The vaccine is a critical part of putting this behind us, but it needs to go along with other mitigation strategies.
There was some interesting speculation just over a year ago, that presented different possible scenarios of what could happen going forward from the publication time, showing variations of the intensities of waves associated with the pandemic (publication done in May 2020, pre-vaccine) - https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/01/three-potential-futures-for-covid-19/
Scenario One: Small waves as far as the eye can see
Scenario Two: History redux
Scenario Three: The worst Groundhog Day
Well a year later, we saw what happened (data March 2020 - June 2021) -
(graph from here - https://www.valleypres.org/For-Patients/Covid-19/Facts.aspx)
Lars39
(26,110 posts)We also dont want to break our healthcare system either.
mbmsr
(28 posts)I don't want to have to wear a mask for the rest of my life! I say if you are not vaccinated you take your life in own hands and you won't be allowed in hospital!
Lars39
(26,110 posts)mbmsr
(28 posts)Nobody is stopping these people from getting vaccinated I don't feel bad at all!
Lars39
(26,110 posts)Doctors, nurses, and other essential medical people getting so burned out they quit, or commit suicide?
At this point if you are not vaccinated you shouldn't have access to the hospital you take your life in your own hands!
ShazzieB
(16,460 posts)There's a little thing called medical ethics in the way.
mbmsr
(28 posts)The maga crowd is never going to get vaccinated so why should I wear a mask to protect the stupid!
BumRushDaShow
(129,243 posts)So you have now lumped these children into your category of "the stupid", along with subsets of adults with certain medical conditions that will not allow them to get vaccinated.
That is the problem with the argument.
progree
(10,910 posts)mbmsr
(28 posts)if it's problem of getting it to people who want it and can't get it for whatever reason yes do whatever you can to get to those people. I am just tired of left always trying to be kind and understanding to be people who attempted a coup and stole our rightful supreme court seats! Screw there welfare this country be much better off without them!
YES I AM VERY ANGRY!! I see what happening to this country!!
progree
(10,910 posts)disproportionately assholes or disproportionately stupid and disproportionately deserve to have medical care withheld from them -- unless you wish to make that argument...
Number 93 in this thread - https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=2770830
marie999
(3,334 posts)Bye
Skittles
(153,170 posts)we don't think like FASCISTS
Scrivener7
(50,985 posts)argue a position that is waaayyyyyyyyy over the top and designed to elicit hateful responses?
Skittles
(153,170 posts)Withywindle
(9,988 posts)It's a piece of fabric on half your face, so what? It's not a big deal! Get some cool stylish ones and get used to it being part of your look.
Skittles
(153,170 posts)when I think of what my mum went through as a child in England during WWII, then having to listening to the whining about wearing a fucking mask during a PANDEMIC - it is sickening beyond belief
Withywindle
(9,988 posts)People in Asia have been doing it for years and years, out of courtesy to others. I remember seeing people wearing masks on the Chicago el and I thought "tourist." That was then, this is now. Wearing a mask is so easy and painless, I think we should adopt it in crowded conditions ongoing, especially since US work culture still insists on making people come to work even if they don't feel well.
Skittles
(153,170 posts)when I was growing up as a GI brat, I did not see relatives on both sides of the pond for four years at a time - people now behave like they couldn't handle distancing even with phones, texting, Skype, etc....it is pitiful
gopiscrap
(23,762 posts)Baked Potato
(7,733 posts)appalachiablue
(41,159 posts)Let me know. IF you have a chance to see this w all the posts.
marie999
(3,334 posts)twodogsbarking
(9,777 posts)Withywindle
(9,988 posts)But I don't WAAAAAANNA!
Skittles
(153,170 posts)very disappointing to see