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pstokely

(10,530 posts)
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 05:48 AM Jul 2021

National nurse union calls for CDC to reinstate mask mandate

Source: WSOC

“Right now, we know that there’s about a 22% increase in COVID cases in the last two weeks,” Burger said. “That’s significant. That tells you that the voluntary mask-use policy is not working. We need clearer guidelines.”

The union sent a letter this week to the CDC that indicated their concerns, which include rising case counts, hospitalizations and the emergence of the Delta variant.

“What we’re concerned about is that a variant will occur that will work its way around the vaccine that we currently have, and then we’re back at square one again,” Burger said.

The letter stated, “More than 40 states have seen an increase in daily new cases over the previous two weeks, and more than 25 states have seen an increase in hospitalizations.”

Read more: https://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/national-nurse-union-calls-cdc-reinstate-mask-mandate/2WWPKOWRUNBORGEXUWIVEMDQHA/

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National nurse union calls for CDC to reinstate mask mandate (Original Post) pstokely Jul 2021 OP
The CDC needs to listen to these front line workers, they are the ones who know Rhiannon12866 Jul 2021 #1
Speechless sheilahi Jul 2021 #21
Good Grief! Rhiannon12866 Jul 2021 #28
Great catch! Thank you for thinking of the perfect response to this blithering trump supporting Eliot Rosewater Jul 2021 #56
Your neighbor is a classic example of why I still mask up when I have to go to store riversedge Jul 2021 #89
It might be fun to suggest the need for gun control, then. nt Gore1FL Jul 2021 #98
I think that ship has already sailed. Elessar Zappa Jul 2021 #2
even in LA? pstokely Jul 2021 #3
I agree. Taking human nature into consideration, which they apparently did not... Kahuna Jul 2021 #10
So maybe valid vaccination cards should be used like passports... mpcamb Jul 2021 #15
+1 Deminpenn Jul 2021 #22
That's the thing. Here in New York, masks were required to enter any business Rhiannon12866 Jul 2021 #30
The mask mandate should not have been lifted. twodogsbarking Jul 2021 #4
+ 1000 nt pazzyanne Jul 2021 #7
+1,000,000 Kahuna Jul 2021 #12
Agree 100%! How difficult is it to wear a mask? Not at all. Paper Roses Jul 2021 #36
Agree completely Rebl2 Jul 2021 #42
The Cons and other assholes are going to enjoy using this against us SunImp Jul 2021 #92
The CDC doesn't have the cojones to do what will be very unpopular. Cousin Dupree Jul 2021 #5
They shouldn't have declared masks aren't needed (for vaccinated) to begin with. LisaL Jul 2021 #11
I agree. I think they're very political. Cousin Dupree Jul 2021 #44
yes....I always thought this was stupid imavoter Jul 2021 #88
Their numbers are old. U.S. daily new cases are up 121% in the last 2 weeks progree Jul 2021 #6
Yup. BumRushDaShow Jul 2021 #14
Conditions for covid spread are excellent: LisaL Jul 2021 #17
Yup - the prevailing thought was - "it's summer and people are 'outside' so it won't matter" BumRushDaShow Jul 2021 #25
Sounds a lot like Minnesota. They seem to think it is all over... progree Jul 2021 #26
It feels like here in PA and Philly BumRushDaShow Jul 2021 #31
Looks like TN is leading the pack (highest % increase over 2 weeks). LisaL Jul 2021 #16
At this point many states won't comply they barely did the first time FloridaBlues Jul 2021 #8
I have no clue what possessed cdc to declare LisaL Jul 2021 #9
Cases are creeping up here in Philly and... BumRushDaShow Jul 2021 #13
The increase is coming from the unvaccinated. The solution for them is to...get vaccinated. Tarc Jul 2021 #18
Delta is breaking through the vaccines. LisaL Jul 2021 #19
"Delta is breaking through the vaccines" is a lie, for starters Tarc Jul 2021 #20
Thanks for pointing out misinformation Deminpenn Jul 2021 #24
You should figure out what information is before accusing somebody of spreading LisaL Jul 2021 #39
"Over 99% of the new hospitalizations are for the unvaccinated" BumRushDaShow Jul 2021 #29
Exactly. LisaL Jul 2021 #40
Hospitalizations are not the same as infections. LisaL Jul 2021 #38
No, it's not "a lie." PSPS Jul 2021 #51
Yes, it is, you are deliberately spreading disinfo Tarc Jul 2021 #86
Ms. Moscow? Polybius Jul 2021 #91
It's not even close 99% anymore Polybius Jul 2021 #54
Fully vaccinated people simply are not getting seriously Deminpenn Jul 2021 #58
It most certainly is 99% Tarc Jul 2021 #87
I misread, I thought you had meant 99% of new Covid cases Polybius Jul 2021 #90
Appears that women (nurses) again are leading the country in the right direction. KS Toronado Jul 2021 #23
Maybe they should be calling for mandatory vaccinations instead. Yavin4 Jul 2021 #27
Here's a visual I worked up the other day. Just updated it. Pobeka Jul 2021 #32
This is where a 3rd axis on the plot could be handy BumRushDaShow Jul 2021 #43
This technically is a 3D plot. Pobeka Jul 2021 #45
Yup I know BumRushDaShow Jul 2021 #46
Just curious, how would you do this as 3D plot? Pobeka Jul 2021 #48
You could probably do it the same way BumRushDaShow Jul 2021 #50
Good luck getting people masked up again. CrispyQ Jul 2021 #33
I didn't stop wearing my mask Marthe48 Jul 2021 #34
Plenty of qualified CDC experts disagreed with Walensky on lifting it IronLionZion Jul 2021 #35
Gosh. The CDC gave us bad advice. Again. How shocking. Scrivener7 Jul 2021 #37
Sure did. LisaL Jul 2021 #41
Yup. It's infuriating. Pobeka Jul 2021 #47
Yep. LisaL Jul 2021 #97
CDC made a huge mistake seta1950 Jul 2021 #49
I still wear mine, this thing is FAR from over. Time to buy more masks while they are Eliot Rosewater Jul 2021 #57
Why should I have to wear a mask again because of brain dead maga crowd! mbmsr Jul 2021 #52
Wear your mask. There is no rational way to justfy not wearing one. marble falls Jul 2021 #53
The rational reason is I am vaccinated mbmsr Jul 2021 #59
Vaccination is not a magic shield that blocks SARS CoV-2 BumRushDaShow Jul 2021 #66
Lets just be afraid forever! mbmsr Jul 2021 #67
That seems to be the typical knee-jerk reaction BumRushDaShow Jul 2021 #68
It's not our side that's not using common sense!! mbmsr Jul 2021 #69
What? BumRushDaShow Jul 2021 #70
one last time! mbmsr Jul 2021 #71
People of color are disproportionately among the unvaccinated. progree Jul 2021 #78
People who refuse to get vaccinated are assholes of the highest order NYC Liberal Jul 2021 #79
Well, I disagree vehemently that people of color are disproportionately assholes (or stupid progree Jul 2021 #93
Anti-vax isn't stupidity. It is willful ignorance. NYC Liberal Jul 2021 #95
That's definitely yet another impacted demographic BumRushDaShow Jul 2021 #80
You are still missing the point BumRushDaShow Jul 2021 #74
Because you can get it, pass it on, and help mutations. Lars39 Jul 2021 #55
It's going to keep mutating ! mbmsr Jul 2021 #60
It needs hosts....just don't be one. Lars39 Jul 2021 #61
Why? Less maga voter's don't see the down side mbmsr Jul 2021 #62
You're fine with our healthcare system being overwhelmed? Lars39 Jul 2021 #64
No! mbmsr Jul 2021 #65
Cute idea, but that's not going to happen! ShazzieB Jul 2021 #72
You know what else is never going to happen! mbmsr Jul 2021 #73
You do realize that the U.S. has somewhere around BumRushDaShow Jul 2021 #76
People of color are disproportionately among the unvaccinated. progree Jul 2021 #77
I don't care what race they are if your not getting the vaccine by choice it's on them! mbmsr Jul 2021 #81
Some reasons people of color are disproportionately unvaccinated, and it's not because they are progree Jul 2021 #94
How about to protect children? marie999 Jul 2021 #84
this is a DEMOCRATIC board Skittles Jul 2021 #83
Skittles, is it me, or is this another one whose first act upon getting here is to Scrivener7 Jul 2021 #99
omg, masking.....such a SACRIFCE Skittles Jul 2021 #82
I'm really tired of the whining, tbh Withywindle Jul 2021 #101
the whining from so-called progressives is especially annoying Skittles Jul 2021 #103
Right? Wearing a mask is literally nothing compared to that Withywindle Jul 2021 #104
I get the feeling a lot of people never had "sacrifice" anything Skittles Jul 2021 #106
welcome to DU gopiscrap Jul 2021 #100
We just ordered some new masks. Nice not getting sick from whatever. Nt Baked Potato Jul 2021 #63
I'd like to cross-post this OP to HEALTH if OK. appalachiablue Jul 2021 #75
I can not believe the amount of DU people who now refuse to wear a mask. marie999 Jul 2021 #85
Stupidity knows no bounds. twodogsbarking Jul 2021 #96
It just sounds childish to me Withywindle Jul 2021 #102
selfishness: it ain't just for repukes Skittles Jul 2021 #105

sheilahi

(277 posts)
21. Speechless
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 08:44 AM
Jul 2021

Want to hear a classic? When I told my trumpster neighbor that she and her family should get vaccinated because the hospitals were filling up with covid cases, she actually said this: "No, the reason hospitals are filling up is because you Democrats defunded the police and all those patients are victims of gunshot wounds". Send me your thoughts and prayers for living next door to this nut job. Thank you.

Rhiannon12866

(205,731 posts)
28. Good Grief!
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 09:03 AM
Jul 2021

So I guess that this idiot is a fan of gun control - tell her that you sure agree with her about that! If there were fewer guns on the street, fewer people would be getting shot - though if there were actually fewer police, there would be fewer police shootings, your neighbor can't have it both ways. But I know it's not supposed to make sense, these uninformed ramblings never do.

Even here in New York, we still have plenty of them, too. I didn't see any Trump signs back in 2016, but this time there were actually banners! Including the creep right across the street - and the house across the street from my polling place!

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
56. Great catch! Thank you for thinking of the perfect response to this blithering trump supporting
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 01:25 PM
Jul 2021

idiot that our friend here has to live next door to.

riversedge

(70,266 posts)
89. Your neighbor is a classic example of why I still mask up when I have to go to store
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 12:30 AM
Jul 2021

or out in a public place.

Elessar Zappa

(14,016 posts)
2. I think that ship has already sailed.
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 06:27 AM
Jul 2021

It’s going to be very hard to convince most people to put their mask back on.

Kahuna

(27,311 posts)
10. I agree. Taking human nature into consideration, which they apparently did not...
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 07:39 AM
Jul 2021

they should not have dropped the mandate until their stated herd immunity had been reached. Now you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. Those who were resistant to masks will continue to be resistant.

Rhiannon12866

(205,731 posts)
30. That's the thing. Here in New York, masks were required to enter any business
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 09:11 AM
Jul 2021

Grocery store, pharmacy, gas station, bank, everywhere. And it was enforced - even the local Walmart had a mask checker at the entrance. But starting this month, the signs have changed, masks are only required for the unvaccinated - and we know how well the honor system works. I rarely see a mask these days, about half of the employees, like at pharmacies - and me. And I was fully vaccinated at the end of March. But despite the increase in cases, there's no putting the genie back in the bottle.

Kahuna

(27,311 posts)
12. +1,000,000
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 07:43 AM
Jul 2021

I was hopping mad when they did that because...human nature. Then that Dr. Walensky was on CNN with a "whatever" attitude. And the anchors were mask shaming people who are vaccinated who still wear masks. I'll bet they're wearing masks now in public spaces.

Paper Roses

(7,473 posts)
36. Agree 100%! How difficult is it to wear a mask? Not at all.
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 09:47 AM
Jul 2021

Last edited Fri Jul 16, 2021, 01:09 PM - Edit history (1)

I volunteer at a thrift shop that is associated with a church. (I don't belong to this church but I thought it was a way to give back). Yesterday at work, about 50% were still wearing masks, as was I.

I talked to several of the mask wearers and we all came to the same conclusion. The simple act of wearing a mask will help us and those with whom we come in contact.

To this day, I cannot understand why anyone would object. They help themselves and those around them. If the Delta virus gets worse, I will have no sympathy for those who say that the mask is against their beliefs. I wonder, do they believe that catching this or any other virus is in their best interest?

A simple act like mask wearing is not bothersome, it might be lifesaving. I cannot understand the hesitancy. To make matters worse, I have a sister in Florida who will not even get a virus shot.
She is bright but has health issues. Why in heaven will she or any others not get the shot?

Oh yea, I just remembered, she is a tRump fan. I guess that is the answer. P.S. I forgot to mention she lives in Florida. What is it about certain states that convince residents to avoid the vaccine?

Cousin Dupree

(1,866 posts)
5. The CDC doesn't have the cojones to do what will be very unpopular.
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 06:41 AM
Jul 2021

They will wait too long and will do it only when there is no choice. The CDC will make a significant contribution to death rates.

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
11. They shouldn't have declared masks aren't needed (for vaccinated) to begin with.
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 07:39 AM
Jul 2021

It's not like they didn't know that more contagious variants were starting to spread in US.

imavoter

(646 posts)
88. yes....I always thought this was stupid
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 11:42 PM
Jul 2021

we need masks on or the variants will keep a move on...

not to mention there is evidence now that a vaccinated person can spread the variant and not know it.

progree

(10,910 posts)
6. Their numbers are old. U.S. daily new cases are up 121% in the last 2 weeks
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 06:50 AM
Jul 2021

actually average of 7 days ending July 15 (28,315) compared to average of 7 days ending July 1 (12,799)
That's more than a doubling, that's a 2.21 fold increase.

And all states, yes ALL states are showing an increase in the last 14 days. Every f***ing single last one of them, with zero, nil, zippo exceptions.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html

BumRushDaShow

(129,243 posts)
14. Yup.
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 08:15 AM
Jul 2021

I'm still monitoring the cases here in PA (and Philly) and they are creeping up. Not to the degree of other states yet nor when compared to last year at this time when we had a huge spike after July 4th. But the 14-day daily averages have definitely gone up.

We had reached a "steady-state low" after a small post-Memorial Day blip that was embedded in a general case decline as vaccines continued to occur and people moved outside more, but the trend reversed. We had sortof leveled off to about 24/25 cases per day but the past couple weeks that average has definitely gone up.

Locally they are down to only reporting twice a week (the totals go back to last year when the official tracking commenced).




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Philadelphia Public Health
@PHLPublicHealth
July 15, 2021 @Philadelphia COVID-19 update:

145,726 Philadelphians diagnosed with COVID-19
3,754 Philadelphians have died from COVID-19
35 new cases per day over the last two weeks

For more information: http://ow.ly/oD5Q50F9ZpR
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1:12 PM · Jul 15, 2021





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Philadelphia Public Health
@PHLPublicHealth
July 12, 2021 @Philadelphia COVID-19 update:

145,549 Philadelphians diagnosed with COVID-19
3,754 Philadelphians have died from COVID-19
28 new cases per day over the last two weeks

For more information: http://ow.ly/oD5Q50F9ZpR
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1:01 PM · Jul 12, 2021





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Philadelphia Public Health
@PHLPublicHealth
July 8, 2021 @Philadelphia COVID-19 update:

145,424 Philadelphians diagnosed with COVID-19
3,746 Philadelphians have died from COVID-19
24 new cases per day over the last two weeks

For more information: http://ow.ly/oD5Q50F9ZpR
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1:01 PM · Jul 8, 2021





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Philadelphia Public Health
@PHLPublicHealth
July 6, 2021 @Philadelphia COVID-19 update:

145,367 Philadelphians diagnosed with COVID-19
3,743 Philadelphians have died from COVID-19
23 new cases per day over the last two weeks

For more information: http://ow.ly/oD5Q50F9ZpR
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1:01 PM · Jul 6, 2021





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Philadelphia Public Health
@PHLPublicHealth
July 1, 2021 @Philadelphia COVID-19 update:

145,266 Philadelphians diagnosed with COVID-19
3,740 Philadelphians have died from COVID-19
25 new cases per day over the last two weeks

For more information: http://ow.ly/oD5Q50F9ZpR
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1:01 PM · Jul 1, 2021





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Philadelphia Public Health
@PHLPublicHealth
June 28, 2021 @Philadelphia COVID-19 update:

145,037 Philadelphians diagnosed with COVID-19
3,739 Philadelphians have died from COVID-19
24 new cases per day over the last two weeks

For more information: http://ow.ly/oD5Q50F9ZpR
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Philadelphia Public Health
@PHLPublicHealth
June 24, 2021 @Philadelphia COVID-19 update:

144,968 Philadelphians diagnosed with COVID-19
3,736 Philadelphians have died from COVID-19
24 new cases per day over the last two weeks

For more information: http://ow.ly/oD5Q50F9ZpR
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1:15 PM · Jun 24, 2021


Neighboring NJ has shot up even more than PA.

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
17. Conditions for covid spread are excellent:
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 08:22 AM
Jul 2021

We stopped mask mandates, social distancing and opened everything up. Just went delta started spreading.

BumRushDaShow

(129,243 posts)
25. Yup - the prevailing thought was - "it's summer and people are 'outside' so it won't matter"
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 08:52 AM
Jul 2021

Many stores and other facilities kept mask mandates here and at least the supermarkets around here also have checkers still masked, and I sure as hell still double-mask going into one.

PA waited until the end of June to lift the final mask mandates, so the increases have been "slower" (in quotes) thanks to that -

Department of Health Lifting Universal Masking Order on June 28, Urging Pennsylvanians to Follow Mask-Wearing Guidance Where Required

06/25/2021

Harrisburg, PA - The Pennsylvania Department of Health today announced that the order requiring universal face coverings will be lifted statewide at 12:01 a.m. on Monday, June 28.  

“We are continuing to make progress toward stopping the spread of COVID-19 throughout the commonwealth, as many Pennsylvanians have taken responsibility for their own health and the health of their communities by getting vaccinated,” Acting Secretary of Health Alison Beam said. “Even though the universal masking order will be lifted in a few days, businesses, organizations, health care providers and other entities maintain the option of requiring employees, guests or customers to wear a mask, regardless of their vaccination status.” 

The department continues to urge Pennsylvanians to follow CDC guidance for wearing a mask where required by law, rule, and regulations, including healthcare, local business and workplace guidance. For the protection of themselves and others, individuals who have not yet been vaccinated or are partially vaccinated are still encouraged to wear a mask when in public. The CDC requires individuals to wear a mask on planes, buses, trains, and other forms of public transportation traveling into, within, or out of the United States, and in U.S. transportation hubs, such as airports and stations. In addition, all individuals should still follow guidance at workplaces, local businesses, long-term care facilities, hospitals and other healthcare facilities, prisons, and shelters. 

“As we shift to wearing masks less often, it is important to remain resilient in the fight against COVID-19, just as we have done together over the last year and a half,” Acting Physician General Dr. Denise Johnson said. “The COVID-19 vaccines are the best tools we have to defeat COVID-19. Pennsylvanians are aware of this and have been getting vaccinated. If you have not already been vaccinated, there are plenty of options available near you. Getting as many Pennsylvanians vaccinated as possible will offer more protection against the virus for everyone and is the fastest and safest way for us to return to our normal activities.”  

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) vaccine tracker, as of Friday morning, June 25, 74.9 percent of Pennsylvanians age 18 and older have received their first dose, while 59.4 percent are fully vaccinated. The commonwealth ranks 8th among all 50 states for first doses administered by percentage of population.  

Additionally, individuals are reminded that public health measures such as isolation and quarantine are necessary to prevent the spread of infection. It is important for individuals who are sick to stay home unless seeking medical care or COVID-19 testing. Individuals who are identified as close contacts of a person with COVID-19 should cooperate with all public health recommendations, including quarantine, so that if they become infected, they will not spread infection to others.   

The universal masking order was originally issued on April 15, 2020, updated on November 18, 2020 and again March 17, 2021.  

For more information about Pennsylvania’s vaccination program, click here. 

MEDIA CONTACT: Mark O'Neill - ra-dhpressoffice@pa.gov

# # #

https://www.media.pa.gov/pages/health-details.aspx?newsid=1505


PA is at about 61% of the 18+ age group fully vaccinated but it drops to around 51% if you include the 12 - 17 set.

progree

(10,910 posts)
26. Sounds a lot like Minnesota. They seem to think it is all over...
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 08:57 AM
Jul 2021

Minnesota Public Radio is eliminating its daily "Covid in MN" report beginning Saturday because:

With the pandemic largely in check, we’ll be ending our daily "Latest on COVID-19 in MN" story as of Saturday. In its place, we'll write a weekly summary story that we'll post on Fridays. You'll still be able to find updated graphics and data on our COVID-19 story collection page. And you can count on us to continue covering the pandemic. https://www.mprnews.org/health/covid-19


And the Health Department has stopped reporting cases on the weekend, so I'm not real sure how to read their reports anymore.

Per New York Times Our numbers of daily new cases are still quite low (3 per 100,000 population compared to the U.S. average of 9 per 100,000), but they are increasing: +97% in the last 2 weeks (7 day average ending July 15 compared to 7 day average ending July 1), in other words almost exactly a doubling in 2 weeks.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html

BumRushDaShow

(129,243 posts)
31. It feels like here in PA and Philly
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 09:20 AM
Jul 2021

the poor Health Department staff are just "burnt out".

And as it is, PA lost it's Health Director to Biden (Rachel Levine - now in HHS) and we lost our Philly Health Director Tom Farley due to a scandal that bubbled up over the disposition of the remains of some of the deceased MOVE children... So both entities sortof went into a stasis.

I don't know how many times we have cycled through this the past year and a half. It's literally like putting out a fire and they see some smoldering debris still left in a corner somewhere but sortof wave it away assuming it will snuff itself out. Yet it doesn't and sparks from it reignite fresh new fuel to burn again.

It's not like we don't have historic data including plots of peaks (waves) and troughs (ebbs) of past pandemics. But too many are like "Well we got this, so move on". NO we ain't "got this". It got US!

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
16. Looks like TN is leading the pack (highest % increase over 2 weeks).
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 08:20 AM
Jul 2021

Republicans there must be so proud their efforts are paying off.

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
9. I have no clue what possessed cdc to declare
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 07:38 AM
Jul 2021

that vaccinated people don't need masks to begin with.
And here we are-even DU developed a bunch of anti-maskers since then.

BumRushDaShow

(129,243 posts)
13. Cases are creeping up here in Philly and...
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 08:09 AM
Jul 2021

the Philly School District just announced yesterday that they WILL require masks this fall and will have air purifiers in every classroom/shared space in the schools. Realistically, this is the ONLY way they can attempt to mitigate old, piece of junk buildings that lack proper or functional ventilation and/or are chronically plagued with mold, asbestos, and other contaminants. As long as they are maintained properly, the benefits will be amazing because they will take what are essentially "sick buildings" and finally improve the environments within them.

As much as they talk about the prevalence of asthma in juvenile black and brown communities, they always blame it on "smoking" and rarely on the buildings they are in much of their day, with non-potable water, leaking pipes and roofs, inconsistent heating, lack of cooling of any kind beyond fans, and a prevalence of mold trapped in ceiling tiles and on walls.

Philly schools to install air purifiers in every classroom and plan to require masks for in-person learning this fall

by Oona Goodin-Smith and Kristen A. Graham
Updated Jul 15, 2021

Equipped with air purifiers in each classroom and planning to require anyone in schools to wear a mask, the Philadelphia School District will welcome back its 120,000 students in all buildings on Aug. 31 for the return of full-time in-person learning for the first time since the onset of the coronavirus pandemic, district officials announced Thursday.

“We have taken every precaution and added some precautions ... to ensure that we have appropriate mitigation strategies,” Superintendent William R. Hite Jr. said during a news briefing at Juniata Park Academy. There, officials displayed the three types of air purifiers that will be placed in classrooms and throughout the district’s more than 200 buildings by the end of July.

Using ActivePure Technology originally developed by NASA, the purifiers can eliminate 99% of the novel coronavirus within three minutes, said chief operating officer Reggie McNeil. They also eliminate other viruses, bacteria, mold, and fungi on both surfaces and in the air.

“It started off with testing out for the space station,” McNeil said. “It’s been tested by independent laboratories. It’s been tested in schools. It’s been tested without being in space. So, we’re pretty confident on the product.” Money for the purifiers — a $4.5 million investment — came from federal funding, predominantly provided by the American Recovery Act, Hite said.

https://www.inquirer.com/education/philadelphia-school-district-reopening-masks-air-purifiers-2021-20210715.html


School District COO Reggie McNeil




That's a FAR cry from this, which was the original "solution".

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
18. The increase is coming from the unvaccinated. The solution for them is to...get vaccinated.
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 08:26 AM
Jul 2021

Not to return the rest of us to the mask days.

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
19. Delta is breaking through the vaccines.
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 08:34 AM
Jul 2021

So your claim isn't true. And never mind kids under 12 can't be vaccinated right now.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
20. "Delta is breaking through the vaccines" is a lie, for starters
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 08:40 AM
Jul 2021

Over 99% of the new hospitalizations are for the unvaccinated, a group for which I have precisely zero sympathy.

Under-12 hospitalizations have not increased since the Delta emergence, either.

BumRushDaShow

(129,243 posts)
29. "Over 99% of the new hospitalizations are for the unvaccinated"
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 09:04 AM
Jul 2021

Whether someone is "hospitalized" or not is irrelevant.

There is prevailing misinformation that vaccines are a complete shield for any infection at all.

Whether a case is "asymptomatic" or "mild" is not the point. Vaccination helps the body to fight it if infected, but it's still there in the body and can be shed - albeit with a significantly lower load level that has a lesser chance to survive if it did get shed.

COVID-19 is not like a cold or flu bug where you can just shake it off and move on generally unscathed. This thing can cause damage to certain organs that flus don't touch (like the renal system).

And this is where the problem with Delta comes into play because its viral configuration makes it more contagious.

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
40. Exactly.
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 09:51 AM
Jul 2021

Vaccinated people can still be infected (as evidenced by fully vaccinated celebrities and athletes getting infected).
It's supposed to be "milder" in general, but even mild covid isn't going to be pleasant for most.
And vaccinated people can be hospitalized. Some will still die.

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
38. Hospitalizations are not the same as infections.
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 09:49 AM
Jul 2021

And even a "mild" covid case can be very unpleasant, to say the least.

PSPS

(13,606 posts)
51. No, it's not "a lie."
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 11:43 AM
Jul 2021

The current vaccines have been shown only to be effective at preventing "serious side effects" from delta (i.e., hospitalizations and death.) You can still become infected, be contagious, and be susceptible to other side effects like a long-termer (brain fog, etc.)

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
86. Yes, it is, you are deliberately spreading disinfo
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 11:10 PM
Jul 2021

There is no basis in reality for your claims, Ms. Moscow.

Polybius

(15,462 posts)
54. It's not even close 99% anymore
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 01:15 PM
Jul 2021

The only thing 99% adds up to is Covid deaths. 99% of deaths are unvaxxed. Right now, my friend's parents have it. Both got their shots in February/March. Several Yankees have it too.

Deminpenn

(15,289 posts)
58. Fully vaccinated people simply are not getting seriously
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 01:55 PM
Jul 2021

infected or hospitalized. That is what the evidence shows. Anecdotal evidence is not actual, scientific evidence.

Polybius

(15,462 posts)
90. I misread, I thought you had meant 99% of new Covid cases
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 01:25 AM
Jul 2021

No need to use big snarky words, however. Calling others names is for internet tough guys.

KS Toronado

(17,284 posts)
23. Appears that women (nurses) again are leading the country in the right direction.
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 08:50 AM
Jul 2021

Need more of them in Congress.

Yavin4

(35,445 posts)
27. Maybe they should be calling for mandatory vaccinations instead.
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 08:59 AM
Jul 2021

That would do more to stop the spread than masks. S. Korea and Australia both have very strict mask AND quarantine rules, yet their cases and deaths are both increasing.

Too many people think that masks are some sort of magic when they're not.

BumRushDaShow

(129,243 posts)
43. This is where a 3rd axis on the plot could be handy
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 11:01 AM
Jul 2021

for a 3D plot.

(the snaphots over time that you animated)

BumRushDaShow

(129,243 posts)
46. Yup I know
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 11:08 AM
Jul 2021

(as a former chemist who has done 3D plots)

But 3D plots are still cool looking although your plot with the animation does convey the same thing without an actual labled scale.

BumRushDaShow

(129,243 posts)
50. You could probably do it the same way
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 11:41 AM
Jul 2021

but with "curves" and show the moving data for each of the states... So if you rotate it around you can see the trend

Thinking -

X would be each state (which is basically "fixed" )
Y could maybe be a positive cases/vaccination rate ratio
Z would be time

The "over time" plot would run as little hills and valleys for each state. My brain is trying to visualize something like this -



What a ratio would look like plotted and the meaning of it, might be interesting to evaluate (at least if it verifies proportionality - and notably if there was enough data for Delta cases vs others as an overlay, which is still difficult to do at this juncture due to the cost/time associated with genetically verifying any of the variants).

CrispyQ

(36,487 posts)
33. Good luck getting people masked up again.
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 09:29 AM
Jul 2021

Hardly anyone wears a mask where I live. Even employees at the stores are maskless, facing customers all day long.

Marthe48

(16,994 posts)
34. I didn't stop wearing my mask
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 09:44 AM
Jul 2021

I glumly accepted last year that I will probably wear a mask the rest of my life. There are benefits to mask-wearing that others have mentioned. I can swear at people, I can make snide remarks, and I don't have to worry if there's anything stuck in my teeth.

I am still isolating, a little less with summer, because I'm watching the grandkids. I'm still using curbside pickup and home delivery, and shopping online. I can stay in touch with my loved ones by phone and social media. I even do an exercise class on Zoom.

Along with Covid-19, there are other hazards I'm avoiding, such as gunshot wounds.

The government is made up of humans. Medical professionals are humans. We are all on square one as we learn to deal with a deadly disease that is beside us, not behind us. My personal choice is to wear a mask, and avoid dying from traitor's plague.

IronLionZion

(45,475 posts)
35. Plenty of qualified CDC experts disagreed with Walensky on lifting it
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 09:46 AM
Jul 2021

saying it was way too soon. Businesses and local governments would need some time and guidance to implement the change correctly instead of opening up 100% overnight. Now the variance between businesses who are still strict about masking vs those who don't care is causing conflicts with customers.

Pobeka

(4,999 posts)
47. Yup. It's infuriating.
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 11:11 AM
Jul 2021

They acted on old information, rather than using other countries experiences with delta variant to get *ahead* of the problem.

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
97. Yep.
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 08:18 AM
Jul 2021

Delta is more infectious because viral load is a lot higher, before people even show any symptoms.
So they start spreading it earlier, when they don't even know they are infected.

seta1950

(933 posts)
49. CDC made a huge mistake
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 11:19 AM
Jul 2021

Masks should not have been removed indoors at all, we have to stop whining about it.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
57. I still wear mine, this thing is FAR from over. Time to buy more masks while they are
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 01:26 PM
Jul 2021

reasonably priced, as well.

 

mbmsr

(28 posts)
52. Why should I have to wear a mask again because of brain dead maga crowd!
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 12:12 PM
Jul 2021

Let them suffer the consequences and after words this country will be better off!

BumRushDaShow

(129,243 posts)
66. Vaccination is not a magic shield that blocks SARS CoV-2
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 02:55 PM
Jul 2021


It teaches the body to recognize it IF you get infected by it, which means your body can then respond with antibodies to fight it - AFTER getting infected. But it doesn't keep the virus from entering the various openings in your body that lead to your respiratory system and the rest of your major organs, which that virus can attack like your kidneys (renal system), vascular and respiratory systems, digestive tract, and nervous system.

By having the vaccine, they have said over and over that it reduces SEVERE illness but it doesn't eliminate having ANY illness at all.
 

mbmsr

(28 posts)
67. Lets just be afraid forever!
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 03:05 PM
Jul 2021

I never said it was a magic shield! but I am not going to spend my life being afraid! People still have sex even when you practice safe sex it's not 100% against HIV but at some point you just have live your life!

BumRushDaShow

(129,243 posts)
68. That seems to be the typical knee-jerk reaction
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 03:11 PM
Jul 2021

This will be forever!!!111!!!!!!!!

There's a difference between "fear" and "common sense", which includes "awareness/caution", because this virus is still "novel".

And since you bring up "safe sex", which might involve use of condoms to keep STDs at bay (like syphilis and gonorrhea, as well as BOTH HiV and HPV), then certainly THAT makes sense as an analogy to wearing a mask when it comes to COVID-19.

 

mbmsr

(28 posts)
69. It's not our side that's not using common sense!!
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 03:47 PM
Jul 2021

This is never going to go away until there is a near 100% vaccination rate! It's has nothing to do with common sense because the other side doesn't have any!

BumRushDaShow

(129,243 posts)
70. What?
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 03:58 PM
Jul 2021

Did you know that there are large numbers of healthcare workers and first responders/emergency personnel (like police, fire, EMS workers) who have refused to be vaccinated?

Many of them are insisting the reason is that the vaccines are only approved for "Emergency Use" vs what will probably happen by this fall - a full "traditional" approval.

So it's not just all "the other side". And no it will not "go away" as long as common sense is thrown out the window.

If you implement a layered strategy for reducing the ability of the virus to get established in some "host" by reducing the means for transmission between hosts, then you reduce the ability for it to mutate. I.e., any "breakthroughs" can mean that although the body might have had enough antibodies to attack and eradicate much of the viral load, you still might have some virus that manages to "survive" those antibodies, and THAT is what suggests a mutation has resulted - IF the cells with that mutation can stay viable in that new configuration and replicate. In most cases, they can't and don't. But in other cases they might, and off it goes into a spread mode.

 

mbmsr

(28 posts)
71. one last time!
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 04:17 PM
Jul 2021

The delta variant is a problem because of unvaccinated nothing is stopping these people from getting the vaccine. They are putting society ay risk. That's why I say if you don't get the vaccine than you don't get access to the hospital when you get sick. You can call that a knee jerk reaction but why shouldn't these people face consequences for there actions and let them hold everyone else hostage.

NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
79. People who refuse to get vaccinated are assholes of the highest order
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 06:43 PM
Jul 2021

and it doesn’t matter what color their skin is. I have no sympathy whatsoever for anyone who can get vaccinated and chooses not to.

progree

(10,910 posts)
93. Well, I disagree vehemently that people of color are disproportionately assholes (or stupid
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 02:00 AM
Jul 2021

as other posters write about the unvaccinated).

I wrote a posting about some of the reasons for the lower vaccination rates of people of color that disproportionately affect them, and it's not because they are disproportionately assholes or disproportionately stupid and disproportionately deserve to have medical care withheld from them -- unless you wish to make that argument...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215476640#post26

Here are some more perspectives on why it is more challenging for some.

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The COVID Vaccine Is Free, but Not Everyone Believes That, New York Times, 6/2/21

(unfortunately this old link is bad, but the excerpt gives the gist)
https://www.yahoo.com/news/covid-vaccine-free-not-everyone-114102581.html

When Paul Moser considers getting a coronavirus vaccine, he also thinks about his outstanding medical debt: $1,200 from a few urology visits that he has been unable to pay off.

Moser, a 52-year-old gas station cashier in New York state, has friends who were surprised by bills for coronavirus tests and worries the same could happen with the vaccine. For now, he is holding off on getting his shot.

“We were told by the legislators that all the testing was supposed to be free, and then, surprise, it’s $150,” he said. “I agree it’s important to get vaccinated, but I don’t have a sense of urgency around it.”

... A recent Kaiser Family Foundation poll found that about a third of unvaccinated adults were unsure whether insurance covered the new vaccine and were concerned they might need to pay for the shot. The concern was especially pronounced among Hispanic and Black survey respondents.

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Make Vaccines More Accessible; Many Essential Workers Still Unvaccinated, Can't Get Time Off Work, 6/3/21

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016294483

People without college degrees are less likely to be vaccinated than people with college degrees, even after accounting for their political party or race. Vaccination rates also correspond to income: the more you make, the more likely you are to be vaccinated. Among people who say they are willing to get the vaccine, about three-quarters of people with household income under $25,000 have received at least one dose, compared to 93% of people with household income of $200,000 or more.


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Anti-vaccine film targeted to Black Americans spreads false information, 6/8/21
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2021/06/08/npr-anti-vaccine-film-targeted-to-black-americans-spreads-false-information

Black Americans have twice the risk of dying from COVID-19 compared to White Americans (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/investigations-discovery/hospitalization-death-by-race-ethnicity.html) . Racial disparities in vaccination uptake persist across the U.S. (https://khn.org/news/article/covid-vaccination-stark-racial-disparities-persist-state-level-cdc-data/ )


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I'm reading a book now about how African Americans have been abused by the medical system and government, it is much much more than the Tuskegee experiments. Such as involuntary sterilizations, medical experiments, the asshole gynecologist who did research without anesthetic, the list goes on and on.

NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
95. Anti-vax isn't stupidity. It is willful ignorance.
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 02:36 AM
Jul 2021

The facts are out there for anyone with interest to learn about. I have zero tolerance for anti-vaxxers who at best choose to remain ignorant and at worst are deliberately spreading misinformation.

Willfully ignorant or malicious asshole. Anti-vaxxers fit into one of those categories.

BumRushDaShow

(129,243 posts)
80. That's definitely yet another impacted demographic
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 07:02 PM
Jul 2021

whether it's due to lack of access, language barriers, or gullibility to the rampant misinformation spread on social media. And they sure as hell aren't Faux Snooze watchers. And many of them make up a big chunk of the nursing home and long term care facility personnel, who deal with patients in sometimes congested situations, yet refuse to be vaccinated even as their patients are vaccinated. These were the very types of facilities that experienced the bulk of the fatalities early on in the pandemic.

There are also places with upwards of 40% of medical personnel unvaccinated - https://www.axios.com/survey-hospital-workers-refuse-covid-vaccine-d69d801a-3b17-49d5-a7be-c844fc378fe7.html

And that includes here in my area of PA - https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2021/04/19/covid-in-pennsylvania-nearly-half-of-nursing-home-workers-in-pennsylvania-have-declined-covid-19-vaccine-report-shows/

(as of April 2021)


And the only thing helping many of them hang on as long as they have (if they haven't already been infected, and/or hospitalized, and/or have died from the disease, or left the field) is access to PPE (like N95 masks and other protective clothing) that the average person doesn't have access to.

BumRushDaShow

(129,243 posts)
74. You are still missing the point
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 05:11 PM
Jul 2021

by trying to put it all on "one side" vs accepting the fact that "common sense" doesn't mean pointing a finger at "the other side" for what they are not doing while blindly not doing enough yourself to mitigate this problem. It's not a "single" solution problem because of the nature of the virus, its means for transmission, and the extent of the disease that it can potentially inflict.

So it's way more complex than the "just get a vaccine and you're home free" message. The vaccine is a critical part of putting this behind us, but it needs to go along with other mitigation strategies.

There was some interesting speculation just over a year ago, that presented different possible scenarios of what could happen going forward from the publication time, showing variations of the intensities of waves associated with the pandemic (publication done in May 2020, pre-vaccine) - https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/01/three-potential-futures-for-covid-19/

Scenario One: Small waves as far as the eye can see



Scenario Two: History redux



Scenario Three: The worst Groundhog Day



Well a year later, we saw what happened (data March 2020 - June 2021) -


(graph from here - https://www.valleypres.org/For-Patients/Covid-19/Facts.aspx)

Lars39

(26,110 posts)
55. Because you can get it, pass it on, and help mutations.
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 01:17 PM
Jul 2021

We also don’t want to break our healthcare system either.

 

mbmsr

(28 posts)
60. It's going to keep mutating !
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 02:32 PM
Jul 2021

I don't want to have to wear a mask for the rest of my life! I say if you are not vaccinated you take your life in own hands and you won't be allowed in hospital!

 

mbmsr

(28 posts)
62. Why? Less maga voter's don't see the down side
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 02:43 PM
Jul 2021

Nobody is stopping these people from getting vaccinated I don't feel bad at all!

Lars39

(26,110 posts)
64. You're fine with our healthcare system being overwhelmed?
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 02:49 PM
Jul 2021

Doctors, nurses, and other essential medical people getting so burned out they quit, or commit suicide?

 

mbmsr

(28 posts)
65. No!
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 02:53 PM
Jul 2021

At this point if you are not vaccinated you shouldn't have access to the hospital you take your life in your own hands!

ShazzieB

(16,460 posts)
72. Cute idea, but that's not going to happen!
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 04:50 PM
Jul 2021

There's a little thing called medical ethics in the way.

 

mbmsr

(28 posts)
73. You know what else is never going to happen!
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 05:00 PM
Jul 2021

The maga crowd is never going to get vaccinated so why should I wear a mask to protect the stupid!

BumRushDaShow

(129,243 posts)
76. You do realize that the U.S. has somewhere around
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 05:42 PM
Jul 2021
50 million children aged from infants to 11 years old who are not eligible for the vaccine yet (trials are ongoing right now in order to determine the proper dosage).

So you have now lumped these children into your category of "the stupid", along with subsets of adults with certain medical conditions that will not allow them to get vaccinated.

That is the problem with the argument.
 

mbmsr

(28 posts)
81. I don't care what race they are if your not getting the vaccine by choice it's on them!
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 07:13 PM
Jul 2021

if it's problem of getting it to people who want it and can't get it for whatever reason yes do whatever you can to get to those people. I am just tired of left always trying to be kind and understanding to be people who attempted a coup and stole our rightful supreme court seats! Screw there welfare this country be much better off without them!


YES I AM VERY ANGRY!! I see what happening to this country!!

progree

(10,910 posts)
94. Some reasons people of color are disproportionately unvaccinated, and it's not because they are
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 02:08 AM
Jul 2021

disproportionately assholes or disproportionately stupid and disproportionately deserve to have medical care withheld from them -- unless you wish to make that argument...

Number 93 in this thread - https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=2770830




Scrivener7

(50,985 posts)
99. Skittles, is it me, or is this another one whose first act upon getting here is to
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 09:22 AM
Jul 2021

argue a position that is waaayyyyyyyyy over the top and designed to elicit hateful responses?

Withywindle

(9,988 posts)
101. I'm really tired of the whining, tbh
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 03:02 AM
Jul 2021

It's a piece of fabric on half your face, so what? It's not a big deal! Get some cool stylish ones and get used to it being part of your look.

Skittles

(153,170 posts)
103. the whining from so-called progressives is especially annoying
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 03:28 AM
Jul 2021

when I think of what my mum went through as a child in England during WWII, then having to listening to the whining about wearing a fucking mask during a PANDEMIC - it is sickening beyond belief

Withywindle

(9,988 posts)
104. Right? Wearing a mask is literally nothing compared to that
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 04:01 AM
Jul 2021

People in Asia have been doing it for years and years, out of courtesy to others. I remember seeing people wearing masks on the Chicago el and I thought "tourist." That was then, this is now. Wearing a mask is so easy and painless, I think we should adopt it in crowded conditions ongoing, especially since US work culture still insists on making people come to work even if they don't feel well.

Skittles

(153,170 posts)
106. I get the feeling a lot of people never had "sacrifice" anything
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 06:28 AM
Jul 2021

when I was growing up as a GI brat, I did not see relatives on both sides of the pond for four years at a time - people now behave like they couldn't handle distancing even with phones, texting, Skype, etc....it is pitiful

appalachiablue

(41,159 posts)
75. I'd like to cross-post this OP to HEALTH if OK.
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 05:11 PM
Jul 2021

Let me know. IF you have a chance to see this w all the posts.

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