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BumRushDaShow

(129,482 posts)
Tue Aug 3, 2021, 08:20 PM Aug 2021

CDC issues new eviction ban for most of US through Oct. 3

Source: AP

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention issued a new eviction moratorium that would last until October 3, as the Biden administration sought to quell intensifying criticism from progressives that it was allowing vulnerable renters to lose their homes during a pandemic. The ban announced Tuesday could help keep millions in their homes as the coronavirus’ delta variant has spread and states have been slow to release federal rental aid.

It would temporarily halt evictions in counties with “substantial and high levels” of virus transmissions and would cover areas where 90% of the U.S. population lives. The announcement was a reversal for the Biden administration, which allowed an earlier moratorium to lapse over the weekend after saying a Supreme Court ruling prevented an extension. That ripped open a dramatic split between the White House and progressive Democrats who insisted the administration do more to prevent some 3.6 million Americans from losing their homes during the COVID-19 crisis.

Speaking at the White House on Tuesday, Biden said he pushed the CDC to again consider its options. But he still seemed hesitant as to whether the new moratorium could withstand lawsuits about its constitutionality, saying he has sought the opinions of experts as to whether the Supreme Court would approve the measure. “The bulk of the constitutional scholarship says that it’s not likely to pass constitutional muster,” Biden said. “But there are several key scholars who think that it may and it’s worth the effort.”

The president added that the moratorium — even if it gets challenged in court — “will probably give some additional time” for states and city to release billions of dollars in federal relief to renters. Politically, the extension could help heal a rift with liberal Democratic lawmakers who were calling on the president to take executive action to keep renters in their homes. The administration had spent the past several days scrambling to reassure Democrats and the country that it could find a way to limit the damage from potential evictions through the use of federal aid.

Read more: https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-business-health-coronavirus-pandemic-65770ddb7396b08b4cb6f6a074cc5ca3



I heard him mention multiple times at his presser this afternoon, that he was going to let CDC describe what the plans were and they would be releasing them "within an hour or two" (of when he was speaking, which was sometime around 4 pm ET).



Here is their order - https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0803-cdc-eviction-order.html

PDF of order with citations - https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/communication/Signed-CDC-Eviction-Order.pdf
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CDC issues new eviction ban for most of US through Oct. 3 (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Aug 2021 OP
K&R! It's about time for some good news! Rhiannon12866 Aug 2021 #1
Yes it is! BumRushDaShow Aug 2021 #2
Next step: Getting everybody vaccinated! Rhiannon12866 Aug 2021 #3
There have been outbreaks here at some of the camps BumRushDaShow Aug 2021 #4
Schools here in New York generally open midway through the first week in September Rhiannon12866 Aug 2021 #6
I never understood the starting back up before Labor Day thing either BumRushDaShow Aug 2021 #14
That's the thing about schools in the South, you'd think they'd open later because of the heat Rhiannon12866 Aug 2021 #15
Since the southern states weren't as populated as the Northeast states BumRushDaShow Aug 2021 #16
I don't consider this good news hueymahl Aug 2021 #5
It's good news for those who were in fear of losing their homes during this pandemic. Rhiannon12866 Aug 2021 #7
The only people losing their homes are middle class landlords. NT cinematicdiversions Aug 2021 #11
You're overlooking the tenants living in those homes. brush Aug 2021 #13
I think it's great policy. EndlessWire Aug 2021 #9
Very well said! Rhiannon12866 Aug 2021 #12
I agree...thank God I have good renters... VarryOn Aug 2021 #10
Thank you for posting EndlessWire Aug 2021 #8
So the CDC did something that is the court said it doesn't have the legal authority to do Jose Garcia Aug 2021 #17
I was looking at the actual order (and its statute references) BumRushDaShow Aug 2021 #18

Rhiannon12866

(206,016 posts)
3. Next step: Getting everybody vaccinated!
Tue Aug 3, 2021, 08:42 PM
Aug 2021

We've only got a little over a month till school starts - and even in my rural New York county, most of the breakout cases (and Covid news always makes the front page of the paper) were in local schools. This county is currently reporting 50 active cases, 9 new, 3 hospitalized and 1 in critical condition - as of today.

BumRushDaShow

(129,482 posts)
4. There have been outbreaks here at some of the camps
Tue Aug 3, 2021, 09:04 PM
Aug 2021

(similar to what happened last summer), and the public school system here in Philly indicated that there would be a mask mandate for students, faculty, and other staff/employees when they start up again at the end of August. Of course for all we know there might end up being a heatwave that results in 1/2 day closures of the schools that week too, like the last time they tried starting before Labor Day a couple years ago, but that's a whole other issue.

The city Health Department had a presser today to announce that they were re-starting their weekly briefings (that had been dropped back in June) and are supposed to start reporting the cases daily again (after dropping back to twice a week). We have been doubling about every 7 - 10 days, although way below our peak from this past spring, but still up to over 100 cases a day now (after dropping down to around 20 - 30 before July 4th). During our peaks, we were in the thousands per day.

The city has about 71% of eligible residents > 18 with one dose, so we have made some progress. But now it's to get to the tweens and young teens.

Rhiannon12866

(206,016 posts)
6. Schools here in New York generally open midway through the first week in September
Tue Aug 3, 2021, 09:26 PM
Aug 2021

Looking at the calendar, I'm guessing it would likely be September 8th. And I'm also guessing that there's a lot of planning and work going on right now to get ready to protect students by then. Last year, I checked out my former elementary school and the plans they were making were mind boggling, combinations of in-person and virtual learning, "social distancing," how to manage lunch periods, and I'm also guessing that the plans changed many times as situations came up. Also, all the kids in my current school district wore masks, even the youngest ones, I often saw them getting off the buses.

What I don't get is schools opening in what's still officially summer, especially in southern states where it's unbearably hot. I went to summer camp in Vermont growing up and we were there all summer - both July and August. Terms were all of July or all of August, or both, and we had girls from numerous other states and Canada, too.

As for Covid, it sounds even worse here than last year. This mainly rural county now leads the state in positive tests according to the paper last week. I was hoping that those eligible 12-and-over kids would take the opportunity to get vaccinated before school starts next month. There were shutdowns at the end of last year due to breakouts, one close local high school suspended sports and after school activities because of a breakout.

What surprised me was that the large state-run vaccine site at the local mall shut down at the end of July - and it's just down the road from the school(s). That's where I took my brother back in May and while I was waiting, I noticed a few young teens coming out with their Moms - they caught my attention since they stopped for photos, one young girl stood next to the sign with her sleeve rolled up.



BumRushDaShow

(129,482 posts)
14. I never understood the starting back up before Labor Day thing either
Wed Aug 4, 2021, 04:56 AM
Aug 2021

and we never did that here, but the current superintendent (who was originally from MD, so I guess since that is below the Mason-Dixon line, is considered "the south" ) was the one pushing it.

The reasoning was so that they could end the school year "earlier" (kids were normally were out by about the 3rd week of June). And the very first time he and the then School Reform Commission (now disbanded) finally got their way, the schools ended up having to close just noon because most of them had no air-conditioning A large number of those schools were built in the early 1900s (from the early teens to the early-mid 30s under Roosevelt's WPA). It was a mess because the superintendent had a fantasy that a majority of the schools had some kind of AC and his numbers were reverse of the reality.

Philly schools suffer in heat wave

Philadelphia School District said it would again dismiss students at 1 p.m. on Thursday and cancel all after-school activities.


by Robert Moran
Published Aug 29, 2018

A Northeast High School teacher was taken to a hospital and "numerous students" fell ill because of the heat on Wednesday, the third day of 90-plus temperatures gripping the region and the first week of the new schedule of pre-Labor Day classes for the School District.With no immediate relief in the forecast, the district said it would again dismiss students at 1 p.m. Thursday and cancel all after-school activities. In an email to some fellow staffers at Northeast High School, principal Omar F. Crowder said, "We had a teacher who was taken out of the school by ambulance due to heat-related sickness this morning." Crowder added that "numerous students" also fell ill due to the heat.

(snip)

In a statement, the district conceded that this week has been miserable. "As heat builds during the day, buildings are experiencing uncomfortable conditions. Because temperatures are remaining high into the evening, many buildings are not cooling overnight," the statement read. "Only 27 percent of the district's school buildings have central air-conditioning."

(snip)

In a Wednesday letter to Hite, State Rep. Rosita C. Youngblood (D., Phila.) said she had become "increasingly worried about the students" in the district and their instructional time during the heat wave. Youngblood asked Hite to list how many district buildings have air-cooling systems, noting that Hite had said in a recent television appearance that the number was more than 60 percent, but that a recent news report said the figure, according to the district, was only 40 percent.

Whack said 59 school buildings — 27 percent of the district's total — have central air. Some of the others are cooled with window or wall units, while others only have fans.

(snip)

https://www.inquirer.com/philly/news/breaking/philly-schools-suffer-in-heat-wave-20180829.html


They spent the past couple years installing window units in many of the schools and are now supposed to be adding air purifiers for every classroom for COVID mitigation. I think the air purifiers will really help for other things in those old buildings that have poor ventilation, including mold that is a big problem due to roof and pipe leaks.

Rhiannon12866

(206,016 posts)
15. That's the thing about schools in the South, you'd think they'd open later because of the heat
Wed Aug 4, 2021, 05:19 AM
Aug 2021

I remember last year when there were concerns about Covid in schools, seeing pix of a crowded school hallway - which I can remember at my public high school during class changes. I think it was in Texas in August and I wondered how they stood it even during pre-Covid times.

I went to a great many schools in my life, both public and private (finished high school at a private boarding girls' school in Massachusetts) and some were ancient and others were brand new. They were still building parts of my college when I went there, lots of mud in the Spring. But I'm guessing that the majority of schools are older buildings and the ventilation must be a huge problem, especially now. I still have bad dreams about the school where I went to 7th grade. I know now that it was built in 1911 since it was turned into offices and they had a big anniversary in 2011, invited teachers and students that had gone there over the years. I can remember in warm weather they'd leave the doors to the fire escapes open to the outside.

But if it was that warm here in New York during the Spring, I can't imagine how it is in Southern states in August - it's often unbearably hot here. When I was in school, I had a summer job at an amusement park and it was hot enough then that the boss would send the mechanics around with "salt pills" for us ride operators. I was lucky that I didn't spend all my time standing out in the sun, I drove the purple train that went through the jungle (woods). But I've often wondered how workers there stand it now, since we know that it's gotten much hotter.

Its hard to believe we're starting a second year with Covid - which should mean that schools - and everyone else - have had a whole year to prepare. But I'm guessing that, especially in areas that still deny the virus, they're as unprepared as they were a year ago.

BumRushDaShow

(129,482 posts)
16. Since the southern states weren't as populated as the Northeast states
Wed Aug 4, 2021, 06:00 AM
Aug 2021

and had municipalities that sprawled more, the schools could be built to "sprawl" and have maybe no more than 3 floors.

Most of the schools I went to until I was in HS, had 4-5 floors and were all brick or stone - literally becoming "pizza ovens" in hot weather. When you have buildings like that, they absorb the heat - especially after an extended heatwave, and are slow to cool down at night, so it's already hot in the classrooms the next morning.

We used to laugh about those hot days near the end of June right before school let out where the teachers would pull out the gigantic pedestal fans, turn out the lights, and have us kids open the windows (everyone fighting over getting to use the "window pole" with the little hook on top to reach up to pull down the top sash), and then sit quietly watching the bees flying in and around the classroom.

And agree - this is coming on the 2nd full year, although they have finally put their foot down here in the city about doing "in person" classrooms and what was REALLY required to do that. There was already overcrowding in the schools, so trying to add mitigation in the small classrooms is definitely going to be a challenge (particularly distancing, which is nearly impossible).

I think the masking, air purifiers, as much distancing as possible, barriers, and proper ventilation (another issue in the old piece of junk buildings) will go a long way to helping.

brush

(53,871 posts)
13. You're overlooking the tenants living in those homes.
Wed Aug 4, 2021, 03:29 AM
Aug 2021

I mean, come on. They could've been put out into the streets in the middle of spiking again pandemic.

EndlessWire

(6,569 posts)
9. I think it's great policy.
Tue Aug 3, 2021, 09:42 PM
Aug 2021

It would be a travesty and devastating to have individuals and families dumped out on the street at this time. People are distressed in the worst ways. The pandemic is not over, even though some people want to act like it is. I think Joe has brass balls, a loving heart, and is smart. He's doing the right thing. Landlords will cope. We'll all be okay, but not by living in our cars. Keep wearing your mask, wash your hands and isolate. We're not there yet.

Jose Garcia

(2,605 posts)
17. So the CDC did something that is the court said it doesn't have the legal authority to do
Wed Aug 4, 2021, 01:27 PM
Aug 2021

How long until the court throws this out?

BumRushDaShow

(129,482 posts)
18. I was looking at the actual order (and its statute references)
Wed Aug 4, 2021, 03:50 PM
Aug 2021

and apparently they are narrow-targeting it to those living in specific areas that have been designated as having "substantial" or higher levels of COVID-19 community spread.

The additional narrowing is that if a state/municipality has their own moratorium, then this moratorium would not apply to those individuals in that state/municipality (and they should follow whatever is being offered locally as long as it is equivalent or better than the federal moratorium).

A section from it (starting on pg. 12 - https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/communication/Signed-CDC-Eviction-Order.pdf (PDF)) -

APPLICABILITY

This Order applies in U.S. counties experiencing substantial48 and high49 levels of community transmission levels of SARS-CoV-2 as defined by CDC, as of August 3, 2021. If a U.S. county that is not covered by this Order as of August 3, 2021 later experiences substantial or high levels of community transmission while this Order is in effect, then that county will become subject to this Order as of the date the county begins experiencing substantial or high levels of community transmission. If a U.S. county that is covered by this Order no longer experiences substantial or high levels of community transmission for 14 consecutive days, then this Order will no longer apply in that county, unless and until the county again experiences substantial or high levels of community transmission while this Order is in effect.

This Order does not apply in any state, local, territorial, or tribal area with a moratorium on residential evictions that provides the same or greater level of public-health protection than the requirements listed in this Order or to the extent its application is prohibited by Federal court order. In accordance with 42 U.S.C. 264(e), this Order does not preclude s tate, local, territorial,and tribal authorities from imposing additional requirements that provide greater public-health protection and are more restrictive than the requirements in this Order.

This Order is a temporary eviction moratorium to prevent the further spread of COVID-19. This Order does not relieve any individual of any obligation to pay rent, make a housing payment, or comply with any other obligation that the individual may have under a tenancy, lease, or similar contract. Nothing in this Order precludes the charging or collecting of fees, penalties, or interest as a result of the failure to pay rent or other housing payment on a timely basis, under the term sof any applicable contract
.

The justification was that dumping people out now before being able to use funding that the states were given but haven't issued yet, may result in further spread of the virus, as they would basically have no good place to self-quarantine, and there is data showing enhanced outbreaks in homeless shelters due to crowding.

Justification (from pgs 9 &10) -

Modeling studies and observational data from the pre-vaccine phase of the COVID-19 pandemic comparing incidence between states that implemented and lifted eviction moratoria indicate that evictions substantially contribute to COVID-19 transmission. In mathematical models where eviction led exclusively to sharing housing with friends or family, lifting eviction moratoria led to a 30% increased risk of contracting COVID-19 among people who were evicted and those with whom they shared housing after eviction. Compared to a scenario where no evictions occurred, the models also predicted a 4 %-40% increased risk of infection, even for those who did not share housing, as a result of increased overall transmission. The authors estimated that anywhere from 1,000 to 100,000 excess cases per million population could be attributable to evictions depending on the eviction and infection rates.

An analysis of observational data from state-based eviction moratoria in 43 states and the District of Columbia showed significant increases in COVID-19 incidence and mortality approximately 2- 3 months after eviction moratoria were lifted.39 Specifically, the authors compared theCOVID-19 incidence and mortality rates in states that lifted their moratoria with the rates instates that maintained their moratoria. In these models, the authors accounted for time-varying indicators of each state’s test count as well as major public-health interventions including lifting stay-at-home orders, school closures, and mask mandates. After adjusting for these other changes, they found that the incidence of COVID-19 in states that lifted their moratoria was 1.6 times that of states that did not at 10 weeks post-lifting (95% CI 1.0, 2.3), a ratio that grew to 2.1 at ≥16 weeks (CI 1.1, 3.9). Similarly, they found that mortality in states that lifted their moratoria was 1.6 times that of states that did not at 7 weeks post-lifting (CI 1.2, 2.3), a ratio that grew to5.4 at≥16 weeks (CI 3.1, 9.3). The authors estimated that, nationally, over 433,000 cases ofCOVID-19 and over 10,000 deaths could be attributed to lifting state moratoria.

Although data are limited, available evidence suggests evictions lead to interstate spread ofCOVID-19 in two ways. First, an eviction may lead the evicted members of a household to move across state lines. Of the 35 million people in America who move each year, 15% move to a new state. Second, even if a particular eviction, standing alone, would not always result in interstate displacement, the mass evictions that would occur in the absence of this Order would inevitably increase the interstate spread of COVID-19. This Order cannot effectively mitigate interstate transmission of COVID-19 without covering intrastate evictions (evictions occurring within the boundaries of a state or territory), as the level of spread of SARS-CoV-2 resulting from these evictions can lead to SARS-CoV-2 transmission across state borders.

Moreover, intrastate spread facilitates interstate spread in the context of communicable disease spread, given the nature of infectious disease. In the aggregate, the mass-scale evictions that will likely occur in the absence of this Order in areas of substantial or high transmission will inevitably increase interstate spread of COVID-19.


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