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highplainsdem

(49,020 posts)
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 09:04 AM Aug 2021

The UK's defense minister blamed Trump for the Afghanistan crisis, saying 'the die was cast' when

Source: Business Insider

The UK's defense minister blamed Trump for the Afghanistan crisis, saying 'the die was cast' when Trump negotiated a peace deal with the Taliban

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But UK Defence Minister Ben Wallace has pointed the finger at Trump.

He told "BBC Breakfast" on Monday: "The die was cast when the deal was done by Donald Trump, if you want my observation."

"President Biden inherited a momentum, a momentum that had been given to the Taliban because they felt they had now won, he'd also inherited a momentum of troop withdrawal from the international community, the US."

"So I think in that sense, the seeds of what we're seeing today were before President Biden took office. The seeds were a peace deal that was [effectively] rushed, that wasn't done in collaboration properly with the international community and then a dividend taken out incredibly quickly."

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Read more: https://www.businessinsider.com/uk-defense-minister-blames-trump-afghanistan-taliban-crisis-2021-8



That article links to an article from 3 days ago where the Defence Minister also criticized Trump's agreement with the Taliban:


https://www.businessinsider.com/uk-defense-secretary-world-will-pay-trump-deal-with-taliban-2021-8


The UK defense secretary said this week that the deal between the Trump administration and the Taliban setting in motion the withdrawal of US and NATO forces from Afghanistan was "rotten," telling Sky News in a rare criticism that the international community would likely "pay the consequences."

"At the time of the Trump deal with, obviously, the Taliban, I felt that that was a mistake to have done it that way," said Ben Wallace, the UK secretary of state for defense. "That, we'll all, as an international community, probably pay the consequences of that."

"I think that deal that was done in Doha was a rotten deal," the secretary said. "It told a Taliban that wasn't winning that they were winning, and it undermined the government of Afghanistan, and now we're in this position where the Taliban have clearly the momentum across the country."

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The UK's defense minister blamed Trump for the Afghanistan crisis, saying 'the die was cast' when (Original Post) highplainsdem Aug 2021 OP
Astute commentary Lithos Aug 2021 #1
TFG Punted. Tommymac Aug 2021 #2
Good. hamsterjill Aug 2021 #3
Trump never made a real deal in his life. Everything he has he got through corruption. Lonestarblue Aug 2021 #4
The die was cast when the players in the so-called great game... lonely bird Aug 2021 #5
No Lokilooney Aug 2021 #6
No. It was cast almost 20 years ago with Shrub. sakabatou Aug 2021 #7
+1 peppertree Aug 2021 #8
The Art of the Deal DVDGuy Aug 2021 #9
Excellent summary tonekat Aug 2021 #10
More like the art of a bad deal onetexan Aug 2021 #11

lonely bird

(1,687 posts)
5. The die was cast when the players in the so-called great game...
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 01:08 PM
Aug 2021

Including the UK decided they could just fuck around with people.

The world is littered with the corpses of failed states caused by ignoring history, sociology, psychology combined with arrogance.

Lokilooney

(322 posts)
6. No
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 04:51 PM
Aug 2021

They were cast nearly 20 years ago when the excursion into Afghanistan became a nation building experiment.

DVDGuy

(53 posts)
9. The Art of the Deal
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 09:31 PM
Aug 2021

US troop withdrawal is the carrot you dangle in front of the Taliban to get them to come to a power-sharing agreement with the Afghan government. Trump gave the carrot away last year when he negotiated a deal with the Taliban separate from any deal with the AF government. He then sabotaged peace talks in October when he tweeted about getting the troops home before Christmas.

There is some validity to the argument that locals in danger should have been brought out over the last couple of months first, but doing that would signal a vote of no confidence in the Afghan government and could have destabilised them even if they were willing to put up a good fight (which, in hindsight, they weren't willing to do so).

It looks like all of this was not only a ploy to win the election, but also to sabotage the incoming administration. Trump played politics with people's lives because to them, they are all expendable pawns in a bid to get what he wants.

tonekat

(1,817 posts)
10. Excellent summary
Tue Aug 17, 2021, 10:56 PM
Aug 2021

This is what should have been the core of every op-ed and "Guest Essay" that we have seen over the last 24 hours instead of the hand-wringing and piling on Biden.

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