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BumRushDaShow

(129,298 posts)
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 09:21 AM Aug 2021

The U.S. orders six commercial airlines to help transport Afghan evacuees.

Source: New York Times

Defense Secretary Lloyd J. Austin III has ordered six commercial airlines to provide passenger jets to help with the growing U.S. military operation evacuating Americans and Afghan allies from Kabul, the Afghan capital, the Pentagon said on Sunday. Mr. Austin activated Stage 1 of the Civil Reserve Air Fleet, created in 1952 after the Berlin airlift, to provide 18 airliners to help ferry passengers arriving at bases in the Middle East from Afghanistan, John F. Kirby, the Pentagon spokesman, said in a statement.

The current activation is for 18 planes: four from United Airlines; three each from American Airlines, Atlas Air, Delta Air Lines and Omni Air; and two from Hawaiian Airlines. The Pentagon does not anticipate a major impact to commercial flights, Mr. Kirby said.Civilian planes would not fly into or out of Kabul, where a rapidly deteriorating security situation has hampered evacuation flights.

Instead, commercial airline pilots and crews would help transport thousands of Afghans who are arriving at U.S. bases in Bahrain, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates. The commercial airlines would ease the burden on those bases, which are filling up rapidly as the Biden administration rushes to increase the number of flights for thousands of Afghans fearing reprisals from Taliban fighters.

From the bases in the Middle East, the airliners would augment military flights carrying Afghans to Germany, Italy, Spain and other stops in Europe, and then ultimately to the United States for many of the Afghans, officials said. This is just the third time that the reserve air fleet has been activated. The first was during the Persian Gulf war (from August 1990 to May 1991). The second was during the Iraq war (from February 2002 to June 2003).

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/22/world/afghan-refugees-commercial-airlines.html



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The U.S. orders six commercial airlines to help transport Afghan evacuees. (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Aug 2021 OP
Excellent! Bayard Aug 2021 #1
stand by...GOP collective head explosion... agingdem Aug 2021 #2
Republican logic bottomofthehill Aug 2021 #3
what's to get.. agingdem Aug 2021 #4
Not really that brown Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2021 #14
It's easy to decipher BumRushDaShow Aug 2021 #5
Sadly, so true PatSeg Aug 2021 #6
I bet these passengers will be better behaved IronLionZion Aug 2021 #7
Right? Those videos are disgusting. nt LittleGirl Aug 2021 #10
Excellent. calimary Aug 2021 #8
And, I'm guessing passenger airplanes are safer, since there are, you know, seats... FailureToCommunicate Aug 2021 #9
I doubt Sec. Austin "ordered" the airlines to do anything. KentuckyWoman Aug 2021 #11
I presume they mean "ordered" as in "I ordered a steak." Essentially, chartering the flight. PSPS Aug 2021 #12
Probably requested IronLionZion Aug 2021 #13
In the 60s I would fly commercial to Europe, marie999 Aug 2021 #15
Atlas is not a surprising choice jmowreader Aug 2021 #16
What was Trumps plan,take em out in his 757--the one with only one engine? Bengus81 Aug 2021 #17
the least they can do for the billions we spent bailing them out nt yaesu Aug 2021 #18
I'm sure they are not doing it for free BumRushDaShow Aug 2021 #19
Look up Civil Reserve Air Fleet Mawspam2 Aug 2021 #20

agingdem

(7,851 posts)
2. stand by...GOP collective head explosion...
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 09:31 AM
Aug 2021

I can hear it now..."them planes are American planes..don't want no USA planes flyin' them foreign brown people to my airport!!"

bottomofthehill

(8,338 posts)
3. Republican logic
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 09:35 AM
Aug 2021

Then, Muslim ban
Later, you have abandoned our Muslim allies
Now, don’t let those Muslims in.

I just don’t get it.

agingdem

(7,851 posts)
4. what's to get..
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 09:49 AM
Aug 2021

they're foreign and brown..."OMG..they look like hispanics!....why ain't that damn wall workin' to keep their kind out of my Amurica, goddamnit?!!"

BumRushDaShow

(129,298 posts)
5. It's easy to decipher
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 09:54 AM
Aug 2021

Whatever Democrats do, they MUST MUST MUST do "the opposite". Literally. It's very consistent.

The cognitive dissonance is that extreme and only underscores how they operate strictly on "appearances" and reject any meaningful "substance" whatsoever.

PatSeg

(47,556 posts)
6. Sadly, so true
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 10:41 AM
Aug 2021

We've seen it so often in recent years that it has become absurd, yet the republican base just doesn't see it. All they see is "Democrats bad, republicans good". It's not about issues or policies, it is about ongoing tribal warfare.

IronLionZion

(45,493 posts)
7. I bet these passengers will be better behaved
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 10:50 AM
Aug 2021

than some of the entitled assholes in the media lately for assaulting flight attendants and yelling at people.

KentuckyWoman

(6,690 posts)
11. I doubt Sec. Austin "ordered" the airlines to do anything.
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 11:43 AM
Aug 2021

A few calls, everyone understands what is needed. Get it coordinated .... but "ordered"? I expect better from the NYT.

PSPS

(13,608 posts)
12. I presume they mean "ordered" as in "I ordered a steak." Essentially, chartering the flight.
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 12:06 PM
Aug 2021

However, there are statutes that allow the president to compel airlines to do this. But I'm sure any airline would be anxious to help anyway. This is a really excellent example of having rational and honest adults in charge again.

IronLionZion

(45,493 posts)
13. Probably requested
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 12:29 PM
Aug 2021

the airlines would be paid for it. Commercial airlines are requested to transport soldiers and embassy staff and civilians all the time.

 

marie999

(3,334 posts)
15. In the 60s I would fly commercial to Europe,
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 01:53 PM
Aug 2021

but I would return on planes chartered by the military. Flying commercial is better because you can drink on the plane, but we couldn't drink on charter flights.

Bengus81

(6,932 posts)
17. What was Trumps plan,take em out in his 757--the one with only one engine?
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 03:15 PM
Aug 2021

Of course just like with healthcare you'll NEVER see Trumps plan to exit Afghanistan. It was nothing more than BS during an election year.

BumRushDaShow

(129,298 posts)
19. I'm sure they are not doing it for free
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 05:09 PM
Aug 2021

They will most likely get reimbursed at some GSA fixed-rate cost (based on geographic location of the flights, mileage, fuel/personnel costs, and whatever extra might be tacked onto that based on the hazards).

Mawspam2

(738 posts)
20. Look up Civil Reserve Air Fleet
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 05:30 PM
Aug 2021

The carriers are already under contract. Most of the time, they get money for nothing. Time to pony up American, Delta, United, Atlas, Hawaiian.

I really don't get 3 planes from Omni Air (they only have 14 total)

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