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mahatmakanejeeves

(57,489 posts)
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 05:45 PM Aug 2021

FCC Fines Jacob Wohl And Jack Burkman $5.1 Million

Source: Joe.My.God.

FCC Fines Jacob Wohl And Jack Burkman $5.1 Million

August 24, 2021 Republicans, Trump cultists

First, a reminder about the case:

Jacob Wohl, a conservative activist known for his largely bumbling attempts to stage political scandals, has been charged with running a robocalling scheme to spread false election information. Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel filed four felony charges today against Wohl and his partner Jack Burkman. They're accused of targeting Detroit residents with calls that discouraged voting, including false claims that mail-in ballots would let health agencies "track people for mandatory vaccines."

Wohl and Burkman allegedly targeted voters in Michigan, New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Illinois, making a total of around 85,000 calls in August. The calls claimed to come from a group called "Project 1599, a civil rights organization founded by Jack Burkman and Jacob Wohl," and they were aimed at areas with large Black populations, urging them to not "be finessed into giving your private information to the man."

And today, this.

{snip}

Read more: https://www.joemygod.com/2021/08/ftc-fines-jacob-wohl-and-jack-burkman-5-1-million/



That's not a news source, so I'll have to come up with something. I'll look.

Whoa, that's going to leave a mark.

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As usual, I found out AFTER I POSTED that there's a thread in GD about this.

FCC proposes $5 Million Robocalling fine against John Burkman and Jacob Wohl

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215777774

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‼️ Whoa! The FCC just announced a massive $5 million fine for illegal robocalling against conspiracy theorists John Burkman and Jacob Wohl




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The pair are also facing a $2.75 million lawsuit from the NY AG


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FCC Fines Jacob Wohl And Jack Burkman $5.1 Million (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Aug 2021 OP
Those guys go from one screwup to another. Maraya1969 Aug 2021 #1
Aaaand they LOST!! underpants Aug 2021 #2
LOL Historic NY Aug 2021 #3
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 irisblue Aug 2021 #4
So what happens if they don't pay it? Mr.Bill Aug 2021 #5
Jacob Wohl has free legal counsel, in the form of daddio. mahatmakanejeeves Aug 2021 #9
"Don't be finessed into giving your private information to the man" Dream Girl Aug 2021 #6
They say this cat Shaft is a bad mother... (Shut your mouth) mahatmakanejeeves Aug 2021 #11
Right on! Dream Girl Aug 2021 #25
I had to spit when I read your comment RVN VET71 Aug 2021 #15
Play that funky music, white boy! (nt) Pinback Aug 2021 #23
It don't pay to be a jive turkey this close to Thanksgiving. Marcuse Aug 2021 #44
We Don't Need Another Gyro. Pinback Aug 2021 #45
It's lucky they failed to deliver Michigan, cause if they had, someone would happily pay their tab Hugh_Lebowski Aug 2021 #7
I agree the perps should go to jail RVN VET71 Aug 2021 #16
Don't remember if it was Wohl himself, but his kind of operation took out Acorn Hugh_Lebowski Aug 2021 #17
That was James O'Keefe jmowreader Aug 2021 #20
Thanks for the ID ... my point is sometimes these low-life dirty-tricksters pull off some pretty Hugh_Lebowski Aug 2021 #22
His perception of a black, late 60s pimp complete with garish outfit Dream Girl Aug 2021 #26
Yeah... jmowreader Aug 2021 #32
FCC can't send people to jail, but... ShazzieB Aug 2021 #33
No, the FCC can't sentence anyone to jail.... DemocraticPatriot Aug 2021 #37
Good!!! Here are a couple other sources if you need them BumRushDaShow Aug 2021 #8
They call them, "pranksters"? SergeStorms Aug 2021 #19
+1. "Fraudsters" is the word. Or "Criminals." Pinback Aug 2021 #24
Probably because until now BumRushDaShow Aug 2021 #28
Lock them up DemocraticPatriot Aug 2021 #38
And drag James O'Keefe into the slammer with them! BumRushDaShow Aug 2021 #41
Is anyone likely to buy them out of this??????? Ford_Prefect Aug 2021 #10
lol at the idea of trump paying anying for anyone else he won't even pay rudy his legal fees. hahaha ZonkerHarris Aug 2021 #13
Probably (which is why I don't like fines) ... Auggie Aug 2021 #30
send them to the poorhouse. I want them homeless and selling pencils on the street ZonkerHarris Aug 2021 #12
SCUM. nt garybeck Aug 2021 #14
... catbyte Aug 2021 #18
And with that... jmowreader Aug 2021 #35
PROPOSES a fine as I read it NOT given the fine. NT SayItLoud Aug 2021 #21
They already have a pile of upcoming state court cases and judgements that they still have to pay BumRushDaShow Aug 2021 #29
I'll simply be happy when these two idiots quit finding ways to be idiots publicly. nt Gore1FL Aug 2021 #27
Hey reQublicOns...we found some of that voter fraud you stormed the Capitol about KS Toronado Aug 2021 #31
Couldn't happen to a nicer guy and his buddy Marthe48 Aug 2021 #34
WaPo: FCC proposes record $5 million fine against Jacob Wohl, Jack Burkman for election robocalls Eugene Aug 2021 #36
These idiots deserve these fines LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2021 #39
Rachel Maddow reported on this - video: Rhiannon12866 Aug 2021 #40
Not to worry, Grifiter Trump will pay it with money from his sheeple SouthernDem4ever Aug 2021 #42
Billionaire Right Wing Human Filth Will Pay The Fines And They Walk DanieRains Aug 2021 #43
I can finally tweet this truly epic shot of Warren staff reacting to Jacob Wohl claiming ... mahatmakanejeeves Aug 2021 #46

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,489 posts)
9. Jacob Wohl has free legal counsel, in the form of daddio.
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 06:07 PM
Aug 2021

Jack Burkman, not so much.

https://twitter.com/DavidWohl

This robocall was indeed egregiously bad

Bald faced lies with obvious intention and they had the insane audacity to put their names on it right at the start lol



They both get to appeal the fines before an administrative law judge.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,489 posts)
11. They say this cat Shaft is a bad mother... (Shut your mouth)
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 06:39 PM
Aug 2021
[Bridge]
They say this cat Shaft is a bad mother...
(Shut your mouth)
I'm talkin' 'bout Shaft
(Then we can dig it)


Source: https://genius.com/Isaac-hayes-theme-from-shaft-lyrics
 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
7. It's lucky they failed to deliver Michigan, cause if they had, someone would happily pay their tab
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 06:05 PM
Aug 2021

Point being, if we want this kinda crap to stop, perps should GO TO FREAKING JAIL.

This sentence essentially supports the idea that if you're rich enough to pay the fine, this kind of thing is consequence-free.

Also note that this is a proposed fine.

RVN VET71

(2,692 posts)
16. I agree the perps should go to jail
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 07:02 PM
Aug 2021

Can FCC sentence someone to jail? Or would it have to refer the case to DOJ?

And as far as getting the fine (whatever it turns out to be) paid had Loser-45 won Michigan, I don’t think so. These are 2 genuine pain in the ass losers and wouldn’t get any help -- mainly because they are too far down the line to matter to the big money Plutos in the GOP.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
17. Don't remember if it was Wohl himself, but his kind of operation took out Acorn
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 07:06 PM
Aug 2021

Maybe nobody would've payed his fine, but had the tactic seemed to have worked, I could see big $$$ people deciding it might be worth the risk to fund these kinds of operations on a larger scale, and build the fines into their 'cost of doing business'.

Don't know answer to the FCC question

jmowreader

(50,560 posts)
20. That was James O'Keefe
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 07:38 PM
Aug 2021

He and a woman, dressed like they thought a pimp and prostitute dressed, went to ACORN offices to talk to them about setting up a brothel.

He should be very glad I wasn't on duty at the time. I would have had them both thrown in jail on prostitution-related charges, and the worst district attorney in America could get a conviction on that one.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
22. Thanks for the ID ... my point is sometimes these low-life dirty-tricksters pull off some pretty
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 07:42 PM
Aug 2021

valuable operations afa achieving the goals of the bigwigs.

ShazzieB

(16,426 posts)
33. FCC can't send people to jail, but...
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 10:41 PM
Aug 2021

...these miscreants are heading to trial for felony charges that the Michigan AG has filed against them: https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2021/05/07/right-wing-operatives-heading-to-trial-in-michigan-over-voter-intimidation-robocalls/

They are also facing criminal charges in Ohio: https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/522984-conservative-operatives-jacob-wohl-and-jack-burkman-indicted-in-ohio

And the New York AG is going after them: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/new-york-g-wants-right-wing-operatives-pay-millions-black-n1266573

That leaves Pennsylvia and Illinois, and I won't be a bit surprised if criminal charges are filed in one or both of those states. I don't think these guys are going to get off scott free. I really don't.

DemocraticPatriot

(4,372 posts)
37. No, the FCC can't sentence anyone to jail....
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 01:38 AM
Aug 2021

Furthermore, they can only collect fines if those they fine willingly pay them. If not, they would have to likewise refer the fines to the Department of Justice, who may or may not elect to bring the matter to court to attempt to enforce collection.

BumRushDaShow

(129,096 posts)
8. Good!!! Here are a couple other sources if you need them
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 06:05 PM
Aug 2021
FCC Moves to Fine Jacob Wohl $5 Million for 1,000 Unwanted Robocalls

RING RING
Blake Montgomery

Reporter/Editor
Published Aug. 24, 2021 5:24PM ET


The Federal Communications Commission on Tuesday proposed fining Jacob Wohl and his associate Jack Burkman $5 million for making more than 1,000 unsolicited robocalls. Wohl and Burkman targeted areas with high percentages of Black voters in apparent attempts to discourage them from voting by mail in the lead up to the 2020 election. They faced a lawsuit in New York, as well as Ohio and Michigan indictments. The FCC said in a press release, “The robocalls in this case, made on August 26 and September 14, 2020, used messages telling potential voters that, if they vote by mail, their ‘personal information will be part of a public database that will be used by police departments to track down old warrants and be used by credit card companies to collect outstanding debts.’” According to the FCC, the calls identified Wohl and Burkman by name. Burkman told a New York court of the 1,141 dials, “That is our call, yes, yes.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fcc-moves-to-fine-jacob-wohl-and-john-burkman-dollar5-million-for-1000-unwanted-robocalls



Conservative pranksters face $5 million proposed fine over robocalls


By Makena Kelly@kellymakena Aug 24, 2021, 5:45pm EDT


On Tuesday, the Federal Communications Commission proposed an over $5 million fine against conspiracy theorists and conservative activists John Burkman and Jacob Wohl for making hundreds of robocalls spreading 2020 election misinformation.In its proposal, the FCC said that the agency is weighing a $5,134,500 fine against Burkman and Wohl for making over 1,100 robocalls in violation of the Telephone Consumer Protection Act, or TCPA.

The violating pre-recorded calls told voters that their personal information would be “part of a public database” that would be used by “police departments to track down old warrants and be used by credit card companies to collect outstanding debts” if they chose to vote by mail in the 2020 election. It’s the largest TCPA fine the FCC has ever proposed, according to a press release from the agency Tuesday.

Last October, Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel filed four felony charges against Burkman and Wohl, accusing the pair of discouraging Detroit residents from voting in the 2020 election. Specifically, the case accuses them of targeting voters in Michigan, New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Illinois in around 85,000 calls last August. According to the Michigan Attorney General’s Office, the calls claimed to come from “Project 1599, a civil rights organization” founded by the pair and targeted areas with large populations of Black voters.

“We remain committed to defending democracy against misinformation spread in an attempt to undermine our free and fair elections,” Nessel said in a statement earlier this year. A trial date has not been set.

https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/24/22640239/fcc-jacob-wohl-burkman-election-robocalls-fine


This is LONG LONG LONG overdue! Hope it goes through.

SergeStorms

(19,201 posts)
19. They call them, "pranksters"?
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 07:29 PM
Aug 2021
A prank is something that does no real damage to someone. How many of those called were on the 'National Do Not Call' list (which is a joke, but it shouldn't be)?

Taking away a person's right to vote goes beyond a "prank". These bastards should be fitted for orange jumpsuits.

BumRushDaShow

(129,096 posts)
28. Probably because until now
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 08:12 PM
Aug 2021

their previous bullshit staged "events" were hoaxes - all hat, no cattle

This time they went too far - basically telecommunications fraud and a myriad of election violations including intimidation. Some of this came out during an investigation by SDNY.

They are already facing many state felony charges for this case imposed on them from both Ohio and Michigan - https://www.salon.com/2020/10/27/jacob-wohl-and-jack-burkman-hit-with-15-new-felony-charges-one-day-after-testifying-in-related-case/

Similarly they were being pursued by Arizona - https://www.salon.com/2020/05/15/arizona-attorney-general-actively-pursuing-right-wing-troll-jacob-wohl/

And previously they were hit with felony charges from California - https://www.thedailybeast.com/jacob-wohl-wanted-on-felony-arrest-warrant

Why they are still walking around free (outside of people continually paying their bail) is beyond me, but I expect it was because we all know what was going on last year (and this year) with the pandemic, and the jails/prisons were releasing "non-violent" people due to the rampant spread of the virus in the cell blocks.

They both belong in jail for a long long time.

Ford_Prefect

(7,901 posts)
10. Is anyone likely to buy them out of this???????
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 06:32 PM
Aug 2021

TFG has lot$ of ca$h. So does the gang who paid for the Cyber Ninja Attack. Both outfits raised huge amounts on the back of the Fraudit.

Eugene

(61,900 posts)
36. WaPo: FCC proposes record $5 million fine against Jacob Wohl, Jack Burkman for election robocalls
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 12:15 AM
Aug 2021
FCC proposes record $5 million fine against Jacob Wohl, Jack Burkman for election robocalls (Washington Post)

SAN FRANCISCO — The Federal Communications Commission has proposed a $5.1 million fine against two right-wing operatives known for perpetuating conspiracy theories, in one of its largest penalties to date.

Jacob Wohl and Jack Burkman improperly made 1,141 robocalls to cellphones without getting people’s consent first, which the law requires, according to the agency.

The penalty, which is not final, is the largest proposed by the FCC for this specific violation. The agency has, however, imposed much larger fines for “spoofing” robocalls, where the caller makes it appear as though a call is coming from a different number. This year it fined Texas telemarketers $225 million.

Wohl and Burkman will have a chance to respond, and the penalty could require a commission vote before it is finalized.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/08/24/fcc-robocall-fine/

______________________________________________________________________

FCC looks to fine conservative activists $5 million for false mail voting robocalls (NBC News)

The Federal Communications Commission proposed a $5.1 million fine against conservative activists Jacob Wohl and John Burkman and J.M. Burkman & Associates for making 1,141 unlawful robocalls that made false claims about mail voting, the agency said Tuesday.

“Did you know that if you vote by mail, your personal information will be part of a public database that will be used by police departments to track down old warrants and be used by credit card companies to collect outstanding debts?” the call said, before also erroneously claiming the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention might use such data to enforce mandatory vaccinations.

-snip-


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/fcc-looks-fine-conservative-activists-5-million-false-mail-voting-n1277569

Rhiannon12866

(205,499 posts)
40. Rachel Maddow reported on this - video:
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 03:40 AM
Aug 2021
FCC Clobbers Trump-Supporting Activists Over Racist Robocalls - Rachel Maddow - MSNBC
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017676848

Rachel Maddow reports on two Trump-supporting conservative activists, Jacob Wohl and Jack Burkman who were charged with targeting tens of thousands of Black voters with robocalls meant to discourage them from voting by mail, and who were also flagged to the FCC, which responded with a rare, resounding recommendation of a fine of over five million dollars. Aired on 08/24/2021.

SouthernDem4ever

(6,617 posts)
42. Not to worry, Grifiter Trump will pay it with money from his sheeple
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 06:20 AM
Aug 2021

They keep throwing money down the trump rabbit hole.

 

DanieRains

(4,619 posts)
43. Billionaire Right Wing Human Filth Will Pay The Fines And They Walk
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 08:51 AM
Aug 2021

When you help Republicans you never go to prison.

We don't have a democracy.

Sorry.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,489 posts)
46. I can finally tweet this truly epic shot of Warren staff reacting to Jacob Wohl claiming ...
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 12:48 PM
Aug 2021
Throwback to that time Jacob Wohl had the brilliant idea to personally destroy Elizabeth Warren by accusing her of completely ravaging a 24-year-old bodybuilder.

Silver lining on today is that I can finally tweet this truly epic shot of Warren staff reacting to Jacob Wohl claiming our boss was having a BDSM affair with a young marine. #GoCougars


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