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George II

(67,782 posts)
Tue Aug 31, 2021, 08:15 PM Aug 2021

COVID recession pushed Social Security insolvency up a year

Source: Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) — The sharp shock of the coronavirus recession pushed Social Security a year closer to insolvency but left Medicare’s exhaustion date unchanged, the government reported Tuesday in a counterintuitive assessment that deepens the uncertainty around the nation’s bedrock retirement programs.

The new projections in the annual Social Security and Medicare trustees reports indicate that Social Security’s massive trust fund will be unable to pay full benefits in 2034 instead of last year’s estimated exhaustion date of 2035. For the first time in 39 years the cost of delivering benefits will exceed the program’s total income from payroll tax collections and interest during this year. From here on, Social Security will be tapping its savings to pay full benefits.

The depletion date for Medicare’s trust fund for inpatient care remained unchanged from last year, estimated in 2026.

In the 1980s, financial warnings about Social Security prompted then-President Ronald Reagan and lawmakers of both parties in Congress to collaborate on a long-term solvency plan, but such action is unlikely in today’s bitter political climate. Democrats who control the White House and Congress offered assurances they would protect both programs.

Read more: https://apnews.com/article/business-medicare-6d527d62acb9a6ee09361d81ccacd36f

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COVID recession pushed Social Security insolvency up a year (Original Post) George II Aug 2021 OP
Raise the income cap for collecting SSA assessments. BlueIdaho Aug 2021 #1
Exactly TimeToGo Aug 2021 #3
Remove it altogether! SheltieLover Aug 2021 #4
Even better! BlueIdaho Aug 2021 #11
Yup! SheltieLover Aug 2021 #12
+1 n/t area51 Sep 2021 #30
yes exactly! deizo Aug 2021 #9
I hope you are correct! SheltieLover Aug 2021 #13
This has been Rebl2 Aug 2021 #10
Just remove the cap! Dan Sep 2021 #23
We must address social security Elessar Zappa Aug 2021 #2
Remove income cap. SheltieLover Aug 2021 #6
Good point about the long haulers. Elessar Zappa Aug 2021 #8
+1000 roamer65 Aug 2021 #16
At three hundred million dollars a day how many twodogsbarking Aug 2021 #5
When a parent dies from covid, minors get Social Security Survivors Benefits. Captain Zero Sep 2021 #29
COLA's provide the largest dollar amount increases to those who need it least bucolic_frolic Aug 2021 #7
Yes Traildogbob Aug 2021 #18
I worked and paid in for more than fifty years. twodogsbarking Aug 2021 #20
But it isn't a private investment program with guaranteed returns. It is a social program bucolic_frolic Sep 2021 #24
My intent was not to offend. twodogsbarking Sep 2021 #26
remove the tax for ss benis . make the rich pay their fair share. AllaN01Bear Aug 2021 #14
Just wait till all these unvaccinated long haul covidiots start filing for SSDI. roamer65 Aug 2021 #15
"Insolvency" is an inaccurate and a purposefully inflammatory GOP term to encourage its dismantling PSPS Aug 2021 #17
which is bs, all they need to do is make the uber rich pay into social security yaesu Aug 2021 #19
No it shouldn't. Raise taxes. twodogsbarking Aug 2021 #21
Social Security will never be insolvent ... aggiesal Aug 2021 #22
Once again, there is no "trust fund" Deminpenn Sep 2021 #25
Yeah, I understand what you are saying Farmer-Rick Sep 2021 #28
Medicare will always be in trouble as long as our Farmer-Rick Sep 2021 #27

Rebl2

(13,494 posts)
10. This has been
Tue Aug 31, 2021, 08:31 PM
Aug 2021

talked about for many years and Congress does nothing and don’t expect them to now.

Elessar Zappa

(13,964 posts)
2. We must address social security
Tue Aug 31, 2021, 08:23 PM
Aug 2021

as soon as possible. Benefits shouldn’t go down, in fact they should be increased. There must be a solution.

Captain Zero

(6,805 posts)
29. When a parent dies from covid, minors get Social Security Survivors Benefits.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 01:24 PM
Sep 2021
That will be putting a strain on the system too.
Ask Paul Ryan about those benefits, it's how he went to college.

bucolic_frolic

(43,138 posts)
7. COLA's provide the largest dollar amount increases to those who need it least
Tue Aug 31, 2021, 08:27 PM
Aug 2021

Maybe consider an age and income cap for COLA's. SS was enacted to provide necessities for working class old age retirees. We have deviated far from that initial intent.

Traildogbob

(8,721 posts)
18. Yes
Tue Aug 31, 2021, 09:02 PM
Aug 2021

The average $13 dollars a month COLA has given us the last many years has got me living way too extravagant. Stuffing my bank account. But insurance premiums, Health, auto, Property, medicine, copays, basic food, has absolutely held steady for decades. Damn old people, hurry and die from Covid, for the economy. Be a patriot.

bucolic_frolic

(43,138 posts)
24. But it isn't a private investment program with guaranteed returns. It is a social program
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 08:00 AM
Sep 2021

in the very sense of a Commonwealth to support the society, rich and poor, old or disabled, disadvantaged or destitute. All from relatively modest but steady contributions.

And the tone of your question is offensive to me.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
15. Just wait till all these unvaccinated long haul covidiots start filing for SSDI.
Tue Aug 31, 2021, 08:50 PM
Aug 2021


I think we should exclude them from drawing it.

PSPS

(13,593 posts)
17. "Insolvency" is an inaccurate and a purposefully inflammatory GOP term to encourage its dismantling
Tue Aug 31, 2021, 09:01 PM
Aug 2021

"Insolvency" is an inaccurate and a purposefully inflammatory GOP term to encourage its dismantling

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
19. which is bs, all they need to do is make the uber rich pay into social security
Tue Aug 31, 2021, 09:41 PM
Aug 2021

as its stands now the maximum amount of income subject to the Social Security tax is $142,800. this must be raised much, much higher.

aggiesal

(8,911 posts)
22. Social Security will never be insolvent ...
Tue Aug 31, 2021, 11:53 PM
Aug 2021

AP should correct it's title.

It's the Social Security Trust fund this decreasing just as it was designed to do.
Once the SSTF is emptied, then it's back to the normal SS paid in, SS paid out.

The trust fund was created back in the 80's because the baby-boomers were about
to retire so those of us starting our careers in the 80's & 90's paid double the amounts
to create the trust fund.

But I do agree that SS needs to be modified to have the wealthy pay a larger share
than they currently are. The amounts paid out could increase by double and cover
yearly cost of living increases.

Deminpenn

(15,279 posts)
25. Once again, there is no "trust fund"
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 08:08 AM
Sep 2021

Soc Security is a pay-as-you-go system where the soc security taxes paid by current workers are used to pay benefits to current eligible beneficiaries.

If there is more money coming in than is being paid out, by law, that money must be invested in US Treasury bonds.

Currently there is more coming in than is going out, but at some point that might change. If/when that happens, the Treasury bonds will be redeemed until there are no more left to cash. At that time whatever the difference is between income and outgo will have to come from the general federal budget.

Further, soc security benefits are capped at something like 2700/mo. They are also means-tested and can be subject to federal income tax.

Farmer-Rick

(10,160 posts)
28. Yeah, I understand what you are saying
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 11:03 AM
Sep 2021

But in the public mind there is a fund where all our doubled (by Greenspan and Raygun) payments have been stored. Yeah, not really but it's easier to understand that way.

The "Trust Fund" is supposed to be depleted. That was the plan.

Farmer-Rick

(10,160 posts)
27. Medicare will always be in trouble as long as our
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 10:58 AM
Sep 2021

Healthcare system is such a mess. Medicare will be in trouble until we stop making our health a profit center. Someone has to pay for the excessive profits of insurance and medical corporations.

For social security, I doubt that all the Covid-19 deaths were calculated accurately. And as we learned in1918, even after the pandemic is over, life expectancy drops for those who caught it and survived.

The true death count from Covid-19 won't come out for years. That will leave extra funds for social security.

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