NYC Unveils Dramatic New Severe Weather Plan as Ida Deaths Top 40
Source: WNBC
New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio unveiled a new approach Friday to managing severe weather that he says will "bluntly be a jolt to people" but one he says is necessary to address increasingly frequent major flooding events -- as the scope of devastation from this latest one continues to expand.
His NYC Climate-Driven Rain Response plan involves three main components: more severe warnings, basement apartment evacuations and a 30-day extreme weather response task force to devise solutions quickly and expedite implementation.
"We can say now that extreme weather has become the norm, we need to respond to it differently. It's even different than just a few years ago," de Blasio said. "We've got to acknowledge it. New reality requires a new paradigm."
"We're going to in particular focus on a different warning, a much more severe kind of warning and a much more severe set of actions, very physical actions, that bluntly will be a jolt to people, a shock to people," the mayor said of new phone alerts. "But we've learned that we have to introduce these things into the equation."
Read more: https://www.nbcnewyork.com/weather/we-need-to-act-biden-approves-ny-nj-emergency-declaration-as-cleanup-continues/3255021/
BigmanPigman
(51,590 posts)that one way of keeping subways from flooding would be to elevate the entrance by building a few steps up before you walk down several flights to the subway platforms. It almost seems too cheap and easy a solution.
BumRushDaShow
(128,959 posts)I found a pic of one that goes to our subway-surface trolleys and el, where the below pic of an entrance is for one of the locations near where we had severe flooding along the Schuylkill River downtown (this is the 22nd & Market St. stop) -
It has a step-up curb. Not sure how height but it looks like it might be 6".
BigmanPigman
(51,590 posts)but that's the idea pretty much. If that is only 6" than several steps or a mini-ramp could certainly help out. It may not be the be all end all but any improvements when we "rebuild" is better than how it is currently.
BumRushDaShow
(128,959 posts)particularly due to the ADA and had/have been going from station to station to update them.
For example, this is what they did with the 13th St. entrance (near the Convention Center) for the El -
And the entrance to the 5th St. / Independence Hall station for the El is brand new (since I retired)!
I drove by there every day to go to/from work and remember the last updates they did probably 10 years ago (including adding an elevator from the street). So apparently they took all that away and redid it again (did a quick search and that reopened in 2020).
BigmanPigman
(51,590 posts)sir pball
(4,741 posts)There's ventilation grates every few dozen yards, emergency exits that are hatches in the sidewalk, untold service entrances, many lines are mixed underground/elevated and so have portals...it took years and $millions to stormproof just one station, South Ferry. It seems like almost too cheap and easy to be true because it is.
winstars
(4,220 posts)Raising some of the entrances is not a bad idea though...
This video shows I believe water flooding pouring on top of a train the other night from a grate.
BumRushDaShow
(128,959 posts)(article's radio transcript)
By Mike DeNardo, KYW Newsradio
7 hours ago
PHILADELPHIA (KYW Newsradio) With the deluge of water that swamped Philadelphia and created a canal out of the Vine Expressway, you might wonder why our subways didnt flood like some in New York City did. Its primarily a matter of prevention, according to SEPTA.
The first thing is to try to catch the water before it gets into our system, SEPTA deputy general manager Bob Lund told KYW Newsradio. Its the surface runoff on all the sidewalks, streets, paved areas, how that is handled, and trying to make sure that it doesnt get into our entrances.
SEPTA has worked with the Philadelphia Streets Department to raise curb lines to reduce the amount of runoff flowing down into subway vent wells, Lund said.
Lund said after Superstorm Sandy, the Federal Transit Administration funded a program to fortify SEPTAs underground pumping system. We went through an aggressive program of rebuilding the pumps to build in redundancy, both in the power system and the pumps themselves.
More: https://www.audacy.com/kywnewsradio/news/local/why-septa-subways-didnt-flood-when-new-york-citys-did
Now we just have to get rid of the "1-676 Vine Street Expressway Canal" and we'll be good to go!
Link to tweet
Supposed to be done pumping tomorrow but most of the roadway will remain closed as they need to check the surface after that.
There was some dumbass out there tubing in it yesterday.
BigmanPigman
(51,590 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,959 posts)I think that view is looking west at the interchange for getting on or off the Schuylkill Expressway onto the Vine St. Expressway. I would get to the Vine St. Expressway from the little ramp that goes down there from the Parkway (~25h St.). I usually try to avoid using the Schuylkill Expressway. Too many trucks there.
IbogaProject
(2,811 posts)You got the area right just the direction wrong.
I used to live on 22nd street by Lombard, just above south street, so I'm familiar with all the pictures in this thread as I now live in Manhattan.
BumRushDaShow
(128,959 posts)and was not referencing any "direction" for the pic of the guy "tubing" on Vine Street that you fixated on for some reason.
I am a multi-generational Philadelphian (going back to the 1800s), born and raised and still living here. I commuted to work along there for over 30 years before retiring (the first couple years catching the regional rail and El to get to my office but that was taking me too long - it was actually cheaper and faster to drive).