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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,746 posts)
Tue Sep 7, 2021, 06:44 PM Sep 2021

Ford plant spilled 1,400 gallons of gas into city sewers, forcing evacuations and production halt

Source: USA Today

A fuel leak at the Ford Motor Co.'s assembly plant in Flat Rock, Michigan has resulted in some residents evacuating the town and the automaker shutting down production of the Ford Mustang.

Ford has plugged the leak, which released about 1,400 gallons of gasoline, said Jill Greenberg, a spokesperson for the Michigan Department of Environment, Great Lakes, and Energy.

The Dearborn, Michigan automaker has also pledged $1 million to benefit Flat Rock residents affected by the leak, identified by Ford on Wednesday, which sent benzene-containing vapors into the sanitary sewer systems.

Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer and Wayne County Chief Executive Officer Warren Evans declared states of emergency for Monroe and Wayne counties, as the vapors were detected at manhole covers and in some homes at flammable levels.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ford-plant-spilled-1400-gallons-of-gas-into-city-sewers-forcing-evacuations-and-production-halt/ar-AAOcklV

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Ford plant spilled 1,400 gallons of gas into city sewers, forcing evacuations and production halt (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2021 OP
That's a lot of gas. One gallon can make 1,000,000 gallons undrinkable (non-potable). Evolve Dammit Sep 2021 #1
Another fossil fuel FUBAR. Mr. Evil Sep 2021 #2
Only a million $ ? 2naSalit Sep 2021 #3
What's the big deal? Tesla has Sun spills all the time, electrons everywhere! ffr Sep 2021 #4
Um, cobalt mining is not clean, nor is it ethical in the majority of cases. Tesla cars... NNadir Sep 2021 #6
Um, you might want to revisit your information. It seems dated. ffr Sep 2021 #7
Um, I don't get my information by looking at marketing pictures. I read the primary scientific... NNadir Sep 2021 #9
Here in California solar produces about 20% of our electricity NullTuples Sep 2021 #8
California announced last week it's building 5 new gas plants. They're um, "temporary." NNadir Sep 2021 #10
So, what is your solution? NullTuples Sep 2021 #11
This year close to 7 million people will die from combustion waste. NNadir Sep 2021 #14
The thing that always amazes me is people like you don't think you are zealots. NullTuples Sep 2021 #15
It always amazes me that anyone who has knowledge of a subject is called a... NNadir Sep 2021 #16
I keep kitchen matches in the water closet for odor control incidences. lambchopp59 Sep 2021 #5
Original link/updated story from Detroit Free Press SouthBayDem Sep 2021 #12
Good thing nobody lit a match. Griefbird Sep 2021 #13

Evolve Dammit

(16,697 posts)
1. That's a lot of gas. One gallon can make 1,000,000 gallons undrinkable (non-potable).
Tue Sep 7, 2021, 06:56 PM
Sep 2021

Doesn't matter if it's groundwater (domestic drinking water wells) or lakes, rivers, streams where drinking water is obtained. And the volume of some of those resources makes it not so bad. That said, it was contained and limited, thankfully.

ffr

(22,665 posts)
4. What's the big deal? Tesla has Sun spills all the time, electrons everywhere!
Tue Sep 7, 2021, 08:39 PM
Sep 2021

But does anybody complain about it or even talk about all those electrons spilling all over everything, in our water and into the air we breath? No. It's like a conspiracy, but I know the truth! Even Fox News is afraid to talk about it.




NNadir

(33,474 posts)
6. Um, cobalt mining is not clean, nor is it ethical in the majority of cases. Tesla cars...
Tue Sep 7, 2021, 09:18 PM
Sep 2021

...use electricity, the overwhelming amount of which is produced by burning dangerous fossil fuel and dumping the waste indiscriminately into the atmosphere.

Despite the big lie that solar energy is a significant form of electricity generation, after 50 years of uncritical cheering, it is not. The proportion of electricity produced by fossil fuels is rising, not falling.

The thermodynamics of charging a battery with dangerous fossil fuel produced electricity should disgust any thinking person.

I will concede however, that Elon Musk, an awful human being if ever there was one, is great at marketing.

ffr

(22,665 posts)
7. Um, you might want to revisit your information. It seems dated.
Tue Sep 7, 2021, 09:39 PM
Sep 2021
Tesla says it will power all Superchargers with renewable energy this year






It's too bad that your tone is so corrosive towards EVs and Elon Musk. I look at it differently. I couldn't do one millionth of the positives he's been able to do for society and the human race. The first step is to get away from internal combustion dinosaurs.

NNadir

(33,474 posts)
9. Um, I don't get my information by looking at marketing pictures. I read the primary scientific...
Tue Sep 7, 2021, 09:59 PM
Sep 2021

...literature.

I stand by my remarks and have detailed many of the issues about the blind and frankly oblivious enthusiasm for electric cars in my journal here, most recently here: The number of elements in the periodic table in car types: ICV, hybrid and plug in hybrid.

It refers to a scientific paper in a scientific journal.

I would suggest that one cannot really understand very much about energy and the environment to look at a few of Musk's marketing pictures for the bourgeoise and take them seriously.

Musk is a pig with the moral depth of a turnip, not that I wish to disparage turnips with the comparison.

It's not surprising to me to read here that Greg Abbott says he's a swell guy.

I'm not sure that Musk is the misogynist that Abbott advertises him to be, but on the other hand, he has little problem with enslaved child laborers.

The Dark Side of Congo Cobalt.

Lately Musk, and his company for the oblivious bourgeois is pretending to give a shit about cobalt mining, but seriously, they couldn't care less.

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
8. Here in California solar produces about 20% of our electricity
Tue Sep 7, 2021, 09:52 PM
Sep 2021

The record so far was last April for a total of four minutes; solar produced 94% of the power on the grid.

We also use hydro & wind.

All new home construction is required to have solar PV.

We're actually doing a lot better than your negative pronouncement and our goals are even higher.



NNadir

(33,474 posts)
10. California announced last week it's building 5 new gas plants. They're um, "temporary."
Tue Sep 7, 2021, 10:15 PM
Sep 2021

Neither wind nor solar energy are sustainable forms of energy; they are not clean; they are not "green."

They depend entirely on access to dangerous natural gas, something obviated by the announcements of the new dangerous natural gas plants.

California to Build Temporary Gas Plants to Avoid Blackouts

Temporary my ass.

I cannot be led into foolishness and obliviousness by this "percent talk" that people have been throwing around for the last 50 years while the planet literally chokes to death on dangerous fossil fuel waste.

After all, I routinely monitor the CAISO website, and have written about here in many posts in the science section, for example:

The Growth of Solar Capacity In California, Capacity Utilization, and Solar Energy Production.

You may wish to monitor the site too, to see when regularly California's maximum energy demand takes place which is not, by the way, at noon.

In another post, I reproduced some graphics from the CAISO site.

CA Extreme Temperatures, Electricity Demand Peaks, Timing of So Called "Renewable Energy" peaks.

The CAISO website gives real time updates in 5 minute segments continuously, 24/7 and it shows why the electricity profile of California is an exercise in wishful thinking.

I study it frequently. I believe anyone who cares more about facts than spin should do the same.

I study energy seriously, as if it matters, and it does. We are destroying the future by lying to ourselves.

We are not going to address climate change with electric cars and wind turbines and solar garbage, all of which will be landfill within 20 years. It's a consumer fantasy to assuage guilt for the unforgivable.

History will not forgive us, nor should it.

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
11. So, what is your solution?
Tue Sep 7, 2021, 11:02 PM
Sep 2021

You've made it clear that none of the current solutions are acceptable.

What is your suggestion?

And please don't say nuclear until we develop a non-theoretical way to deal with the waste and safety issues that has been shown to withstand capitalism's quest for ever increasing profits.

NNadir

(33,474 posts)
14. This year close to 7 million people will die from combustion waste.
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 11:56 PM
Sep 2021

The data for this claim is found in this publication, which I produce every time some fool carries on about so called "nuclear waste."

It is here: Global burden of 87 risk factors in 204 countries and territories, 1990–2019: a systematic analysis for the Global Burden of Disease Study 2019 (Lancet Volume 396, Issue 10258, 17–23 October 2020, Pages 1223-1249). This study is a huge undertaking and the list of authors from around the world is rather long. These studies are always open sourced; and I invite people who want to carry on about Fukushima to open it and search the word "radiation." It appears once. Radon, a side product brought to the surface by fracking while we all wait for the grand so called "renewable energy" nirvana that did not come, is not here and won't come, appears however: Household radon, from the decay of natural uranium, which has been cycling through the environment ever since oxygen appeared in the Earth's atmosphere.

Here is what it says about air pollution deaths in the 2019 Global Burden of Disease Survey, if one is too busy to open it oneself because one is too busy carrying on about Fukushima:

The top five risks for attributable deaths for females were high SBP (5·25 million [95% UI 4·49–6·00] deaths, or 20·3% [17·5–22·9] of all female deaths in 2019), dietary risks (3·48 million [2·78–4·37] deaths, or 13·5% [10·8–16·7] of all female deaths in 2019), high FPG (3·09 million [2·40–3·98] deaths, or 11·9% [9·4–15·3] of all female deaths in 2019), air pollution (2·92 million [2·53–3·33] deaths or 11·3% [10·0–12·6] of all female deaths in 2019), and high BMI (2·54 million [1·68–3·56] deaths or 9·8% [6·5–13·7] of all female deaths in 2019). For males, the top five risks differed slightly. In 2019, the leading Level 2 risk factor for attributable deaths globally in males was tobacco (smoked, second-hand, and chewing), which accounted for 6·56 million (95% UI 6·02–7·10) deaths (21·4% [20·5–22·3] of all male deaths in 2019), followed by high SBP, which accounted for 5·60 million (4·90–6·29) deaths (18·2% [16·2–20·1] of all male deaths in 2019). The third largest Level 2 risk factor for attributable deaths among males in 2019 was dietary risks (4·47 million [3·65–5·45] deaths, or 14·6% [12·0–17·6] of all male deaths in 2019) followed by air pollution (ambient particulate matter and ambient ozone pollution, accounting for 3·75 million [3·31–4·24] deaths (12·2% [11·0–13·4] of all male deaths in 2019), and then high FPG (3·14 million [2·70–4·34] deaths, or 11·1% [8·9–14·1] of all male deaths in 2019).


You are invited to open this comprehensive publication in one of the world's most prominent medical/epidemiological scientific journals and identify anyone who has died from the storage of used nuclear fuel.

It is true 99.95% of the time that anyone making a statement about so called "nuclear waste" knows nothing, not the chemistry, not the physics, not the constituents of used nuclear fuel. Nothing. Zero. Zip. Most have never opened a science book on the subject in their long whiny lives.

The whole fucking planet is burning up from dangerous fossil fuel waste, otherwise known a climate change gases, and someone again wants to tell me about what they call, "nuclear waste?"

This moral and intellectual indifference is appalling.

At San Onofre, there is 4000 tons of used nuclear fuel, 95% of being unused uranium. Converted to plutonium, this uranium can be shown to have enough energy in it to provide all of the energy used in the United States per year (about 107 exajoules) for 2 years and 10 months.

The fission products therein also have considerable value, at least they would in a world not dominated by fear and ignorance. Stupidity however, is very popular these days. I wish I could say this is only true on the political right, but I can't.

It is appalling that people rule out the only viable solution to the climate crisis because they lazily repeat ignorant pabulum that they got from a cartoon vision of the world.

I'm a scientist, not a fool repeating tired slogans for 50 years with no observed justification for doing so. The nuclear industry is over 60 years old. It hasn't killed in that period as many people as will die in the next 24 hours because we don't use nuclear energy. Opposition to nuclear energy kills people, since nuclear energy saves lives.

Prevented Mortality and Greenhouse Gas Emissions from Historical and Projected Nuclear Power (Pushker A. Kharecha* and James E. Hansen Environ. Sci. Technol., 2013, 47 (9), pp 4889–4895)

Asking someone who understands nuclear energy to not mention nuclear energy - and I do as obviated by my journal on this website - is exactly the equivalent of asking a medical virologist not to mention vaccines to address Covid.

Have a nice day tomorrow.

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
15. The thing that always amazes me is people like you don't think you are zealots.
Thu Sep 9, 2021, 01:33 AM
Sep 2021

It's not nuclear power I don't trust. Hypothetically, it's a wonderful solution.

It's capitalism I don't trust.

NNadir

(33,474 posts)
16. It always amazes me that anyone who has knowledge of a subject is called a...
Thu Sep 9, 2021, 02:37 AM
Sep 2021

...."zealot" by people who don't know anything about the subject in question, that is lazy people.

By this definition, every scientist who is good at his or her work is a "zealot."

I've studied nuclear energy seriously for 30 years, not because I'm a "zealot" but because I fucking care about the world and the future.

This is not about ignorant quibbling about "capitalism." This is about a planet on fire because people make weak excuses to oppose nuclear energy. Nuclear energy saves lives in Sweden; it saves lives in China; it saves lives in Russia; it saves lives wherever it operates. It's hot a perfect risk free form of energy, but it doesn't have to be a perfect risk free form of energy to be better than everything else, which it is.

Opposing nuclear energy is the exact and precise equivalent of opposing vaccination because pharmaceutical companies make money.

Between 18,000 and 19,000 people on this planet will die today from air pollution because people are lazy and don['t think, or else make rather dumb associations that are irrelevant.

I can tell immediately a person who couldn't care about this fact.

Facts matter.

It is a fact that opposing nuclear energy kills people. This is immediately clear from the two scientific publications to which I referred, a tiny subset of a much broader set.

lambchopp59

(2,809 posts)
5. I keep kitchen matches in the water closet for odor control incidences.
Tue Sep 7, 2021, 09:08 PM
Sep 2021

Yow. Not a good practice in Flat Rock, Michigan!!!
There was recently a truck-stop fuel station in Williams Az where evidence of a recent explosive calamity was a willies-producing sight. One side of one of the pumps was melted, taped off with yellow out of order tape, and the entire area and overhead rainport completely blackened. Whoever was smoking that cigarette (I'm assuming here) while fueling their vehicle... ahem... won't do that again.

SouthBayDem

(32,006 posts)
12. Original link/updated story from Detroit Free Press
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 12:31 AM
Sep 2021
Ford Motor Co. has continued to issue apologies for a fuel leak that appears to have come from the company's Flat Rock Assembly Plant, but the automaker says that is not enough and it will make things right with families whose lives have been disrupted.

The company has decided to halt Mustang production at the plant this week, and is helping local residents who voluntarily have evacuated the area, including Ford employees, T.R. Reid, Ford spokesman, told the Free Press.

"We're not going to prioritize building vehicles this week," he said. "There are higher priorities right now."


https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/ford/2021/09/07/flat-rock-gas-leak-assembly-production/5749423001/
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