Scoop: Manchin backs as little as $1 trillion of Biden's $3.5 trillion plan
Source: Axios
Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.V.) has privately warned the White House and congressional leaders that he has specific policy concerns with President Biden's $3.5 trillion social spending dream and he'll support as little as $1 trillion of it.
At most, he's open to supporting $1.5 trillion, sources familiar with the discussions say.
Why it matters: In a 50-50 Senate, that could mean the ceiling for Biden's "Build Back Better" agenda and that many progressive priorities, from universal preschool to free community college, are in danger of dying this Congress.
Manchin also has committed to paying for any new spending with new revenue, which will limit the ultimate size of any final package.
This amount would be on top of a $1.2 trillion bipartisan infrastructure deal passed by the Senate and awaiting House action.
Read more: https://www.axios.com/scoop-manchin-backs-as-little-as-1-trillion-of-bidens-35-trillion-plan-91d079e0-84a7-4f8f-94d4-212827a61339.html
So does a $1T reconciliation bill pass muster?
Irish_Dem
(45,640 posts)brooklynite
(93,873 posts)and didnt vote for any military appropriations that other Democratic Senators didnt support.
Irish_Dem
(45,640 posts)People have a hard time understanding this is how America operates.
We want to be like other modern countries but we are not.
If that's a jib you're having there, I sure do like the cut of it.
Wolf Frankula
(3,595 posts)And deficits don't count. We have Dick Cheney's word on that.
Wolf
Roy Rolling
(6,853 posts)And Arizona for Sinema. They want TV coverage, but the stakes are real for their constituents.
Carve out West Virginia and Arizona infrastructure 100% from the bill, leave everything else 50% and pass what you can. See how West Virginia and Arizona voters feel about being made political pawns on the losing end of serious government business. This isnt 45ii White House TV, this is real government.
Play hardball.
Maggiemayhem
(804 posts)Covid is out of control here. Hospitals and ICUs are full and patients on ventilators at all time high. We are leading the nation in spreading it because the state wants to act like everything is normal. Just google WV Covid Manchin. Your state is in serious trouble.
turbinetree
(24,632 posts)ouija
(397 posts)Hate for you to lose it.
Phil the Kilibuster
(82 posts)And unfurl your trunk while you're at it.
AllaN01Bear
(17,383 posts)to the point. direct. ouch.
zanana1
(6,085 posts)Does anyone know when Sen. Manchin will face an election?
Calista241
(5,584 posts)Botany
(70,291 posts)That is because Joe Manchin works for the fossil fuel industry and to address climate
change and the supportive capacity of the planet those fuels need to go and Joe's
"Build Back Better" supports that needed change.
AllaN01Bear
(17,383 posts)jumpsuits with their sponsers on them as the drivers in nascar do .so we know who paid for them " or something like that .
Elessar Zappa
(13,650 posts)but because of Manchin and Sinema, the package will be much smaller than we prefer. Something is better than nothing of course but it just pisses me off that we have Democrats doing the Republicans work for them.
Jetheels
(991 posts)FoxNewsSucks
(10,378 posts)They're just callously lining their own pockets. Don't give a damn about working people.
Equomba
(197 posts)In 2007, The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported that Bresch had claimed to have an MBA degree from West Virginia University, but the university disputed that. The university subsequently awarded her an EMBA despite her having completed only 26 of the required 48 credits. Her father was governor of the state of West Virginia at the time.
In the ensuing controversy, the university announced in April 2008 that it would rescind Bresch's degree. Michael Garrison, WVU president at the time, was reported to be "a family friend and former business associate of Bresch" and a former consultant and lobbyist for Mylan. After a faculty vote of no confidence, Garrison and several university officials subsequently resigned.
Stainless
(717 posts)Joe Manchin is a disgusting and vile person. What a fucking clown show.
JohnSJ
(91,965 posts)Sinema
Calista241
(5,584 posts)And that was a 1 seat gain in the W Bush Presidency. This 1 seat gain was duplicated by Ronald Reagan in 1982.
The last time the sitting President gained more than 1 senate seat in the mid-term was in 1934 when FDR gained 10 seats.
So while it's possible, I wouldn't hold my breath.
JohnSJ
(91,965 posts)getting out to vote makes a difference
The disclaimer that the so-called financial advisors always post:
"The past is no guarantee of future results"
moose65
(3,164 posts)Who cares if there's a historic trend? We are in uncharted territory here. The Republicans are now actually on the side of the virus, and who knows how big the backlash will be because of the Texas abortion law. We have a decent shot to pick up open seats in NC and Pennsylvania, and who knows how many more? We need to learn to fight in EVERY election. 2014 was a disaster for us in the Senate, and we need to learn from that.
But losing seats is not a foregone conclusion.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,378 posts)and the John Lewis act, republicons will steal every branch of government.
THEY are already working on it. Guess who is standing in the way of Democrats stopping them. . . .
JohnSJ
(91,965 posts)FoxNewsSucks
(10,378 posts)But GOTV alone is just not sufficient. Republicons also know that, and are working on effective ways to thwart that along with their other dirty tactics.
JohnSJ
(91,965 posts)FoxNewsSucks
(10,378 posts)just that GOTV alone is insufficient. Republicons study every win, and calculate how to steal it next time whenever possible.
You also have to remember that the majority of the public is less informed and less motivated than people who read and post here. Every two years, they've heard "if only we just elect more democrats!" " we just have to get more votes!!". They've stood in hours-long lines, jumped through the hoops, and aren't able to see what change there is. In their case, it isn't so much demoralizing as it is "well I did that the last # of times, I'm done standing in line 12 hours". Not to mention, some people simply can't do that anyway.
Here's how to win 2022 and the future
First, pass S1 to make sure people can vote and vote easily. Make sure the votes are properly counted. Make sure the result stands.
Second, pass both of Biden's infrastructure bills now. When work starts and the economy grows, people will see for themselves why they should vote Democratic.
JohnSJ
(91,965 posts)media platforms, and I suspect much of that is pushed by the opposition
While obviously we must fight against the voter suppression legislation going on in various states, and none of this will be easy, even with Georgia and Arizona, we won the presidency in 2000 in large part to the blue wall. That is how we used to win elections. It was when states like Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania started slipping away, a lot because of dismal turnout.
People like Stacy Abrams and Howard Dean showed us how it can be done, and it especially has to apply to state offices, because that is how we take back our country
Orrex
(63,086 posts)re: bashing Democrats, etc.
JohnSJ
(91,965 posts)in 2022, and I wouldn't bet against the Democratic leaders in the Senate and House, along with the President.
Recall the press all but said the bipartisan bill was dead in the water, until suddenly it wasn't
Our illustrious media seems to push the opposite of the song:
"You've got to accentuate the positive eliminate the negative"
because they believe it creates more viewers and clicks
rso
(2,262 posts)Still better to have Manchin in that seat than a trumpster. Hes voted with us on almost everything, and dont forget that if he wasnt there, Mitch would still be majority leader. I agree though that we need to do everything possible to pick up at least two net Senate seats next year in order not to have to depend on Manchin and Sinema.
samsingh
(17,571 posts)He isn't even running until 2024, if that. Same with Senator Fuck Off.
Jetheels
(991 posts)So cant that be used somehow as leverage to get Manchin on board with Biden?
Calista241
(5,584 posts)That we know about anyway. It would make Nixon look like a choirboy.
Just to be clear though; you're talking about a pardon, or otherwise dropping or modifying charges on a family member in exchange for a vote on legislation before the Senate. Prosecutors don't get cases of bribery more clear cut than that.
Jetheels
(991 posts)Enough with the default kid gloves for handling billionaires, example: The Sackler Cartel.
Demonstrating that they can be held culpable maybe would knock some sense into these criminal masterminds.
KPN
(15,587 posts)as bad? The whole Ukraine thing was only 1/100th as bad? The big lie and it's aftermath was only 1/100th as bad?
Jetheels
(991 posts)BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)Should never have this much power in a democracy. Fuck you Manchin and the horse you rode in on.
KPN
(15,587 posts)undermining "democracy". They know it doesn't exist anyway.
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)There are people committed to making that happen through legislation.
KPN
(15,587 posts)No need to respond with the "reality", "purity kills us" foils.
moose65
(3,164 posts)If he did that, the Dem majority is gone.
Think about the confirmation of judges. Think of NOTHING getting done. No thanks!
Faux pas
(14,583 posts)you think it's possible that if we ignore him he'll just go away?