Police planning to reinstall Capitol fence ahead of rally
Source: AP
WASHINGTON (AP) Law enforcement officials concerned by the prospect for violence at a rally in the nation's capital next week are planning to reinstall protective fencing that surrounded the U.S. Capitol for months after the Jan. 6 insurrection there, according to a person familiar with the discussions.
Though no specific measures have been announced, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi hinted during her weekly press conference Wednesday at extra safety precautions for the Sept. 18 rally by saying: We intend to have the integrity of the Capitol be intact. Briefings for lawmakers, including congressional leaders, are expected in coming days.
A security plan that is being finalized calls for a fenced perimeter on the streets immediately surrounding the Capitol building and the Supreme Court, though not around the congressional office buildings nearby, said the person, who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity ahead of an official announcement.
Police continue to track intelligence indicating far-right extremist groups like the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers are planning to attend next week's rally, which is designed to demand justice for the hundreds of people who have been charged in connection with Januarys insurrection. Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio, however, has said he doesn't expect his membership to attend.
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CurtEastPoint
(18,644 posts)BidenRocks
(827 posts)Evolve Dammit
(16,733 posts)labeled by DOJ as a "domestic terrorist group" along with Oath Keepers, 1%ers and all the other neo-nazi fascist organizations who had anything to do with January 6.
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Evolve Dammit
(16,733 posts)never happen though.
keithbvadu2
(36,805 posts)Will the bunker be available if Trump wants to visit?
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)The fence, the recall, a trilliions to help people through the COVID crisis to which the "fiscally conservative" is prolonging.
It was all a lie!
Justice matters.
(6,929 posts)Deuxcents
(16,218 posts)Who is giving permits?
bottomofthehill
(8,329 posts)Its not like there is a choice.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press;
or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
elleng
(130,905 posts)bottomofthehill
(8,329 posts)The million man March, the he million moms March, the AIDS Quilt, the Klan, Handgun safety, pro-life and pro choice all protected under the First. When we pick and choose, we have lost. We have to rely on our fellow country men/women to know when the protest is full of shitbags and not agree with their position, but we cant restrict their rights.
elleng
(130,905 posts)hadEnuf
(2,190 posts)Umm, are we forgetting to read that part? Nothing that these traitors do results in a peaceful assembly. Isn't that what everybody is worried about in the first place?
These people have a history of murder & violence and they are gathering in support of their fellow violent criminals who tried to overthrow an election and the government.
I think we are stretching the 1st Amendment to it's breaking point to use it as an excuse to allow this.
bottomofthehill
(8,329 posts)Kind of like the Supreme Court definition of pornography, we will know it is a violent protest when we see the violence. We cant deny a permit based on the thought (although a reasonable thought) that there may be violence.
hadEnuf
(2,190 posts)I mean when you invite the same actors back for a second round do they think the result will be different? It's insane.
bottomofthehill
(8,329 posts)May be some of the old familiar faces but again we wont know until we do, and we cant deny a permit on what we think may happen.
hadEnuf
(2,190 posts)the Capitol again. There has also been a recent bomb scare / standoff. This is not a free speech issue any more.
It's a national security issue.
bottomofthehill
(8,329 posts)I dont like where it could go, but I do defend the constitution. I took an oath to and will continue to. The oath does not say violate the Constitution because you think something might happen. It says protect and defend. Think back a year ago when we had the dim orange bulb in the Whitehouse. He could manufacture any Intel he wanted to shut down any protest he wanted under your thought process. I truly believe he and other authoritarians would love to do that.
Unfortunately, we dont have the luxury of just shutting it down because we dont like the group or think the group may become violent. For every pro choice March, there is a pro life one, for every million man March 25 klan duche bags show up, for every million moms for gun safety, the NRA. We dont get to choose we protect the right to petition its the First Amendment. We cant look past it because we dont like the people or the idea.
I hate this group and what they stand for, 1/6 was a violent attack on our Capitol, our Government, our Democracy, these Fuckers are not political prisoners they are insurrectionist scum. They all suck and should stay in jail for a long time. Fuck them all, but I will protect their right to protest.
hadEnuf
(2,190 posts)Brushing over a demonstrable history of security concerns with the 1st Amendment is obscuring the obvious threat. It doesn't matter how many times they change the names of their groups, they will be there in support of terrorists who tried to violently overthrow our government. Terrorists who are still being tried and sentenced. What is the point of even having a permit process if the petitioners only need to claim the 1st Amendment and get whatever they want? There is a permit process for a reason. As for the NRA they do the same thing with every proposal of gun sanity by painting it over with the 2nd Amendment in the same way.
We should also not be thwarted from doing the right thing for the right reasons just because TFG did the wrong things for the wrong reasons. I wonder how smooth of a process BLM would face if they applied for a permit to march in the same place where Trump had them beaten by the police?
I personally do not care what these right wing thugs have to say, or when or where they dance around in their idiotic get ups to say it. There are no laws against acting like assholes. But the violence against our government is real and documented and all measures need to be taken to insure that another 1/6 or any other style insurrection does not happen again.
llashram
(6,265 posts)"peaceably". We'll see. These people are willfully ignorant, hateful, violent and overwhelmingly white against ALL not like them.
bottomofthehill
(8,329 posts)That is what the constitution provides all of us.
llashram
(6,265 posts)they set the precedent along with their ex-potus. I know what our Constitution says and for 4 long years and continuing EVERY DAY, they observe not one word of our Constitution. They are Insurrectionists, killers, murderers, racists and HATEMONGERS spurred on by their nazi leader the Hitler-redux in his bunkers in Florida and New Jersey. And I hope Ida F'ed up his abode in NJ.
And I can assume they will be extremely violent, on 1-6-21 they set the precedent...
bottomofthehill
(8,329 posts)The assumption is not enough to remove constitutional protection.
llashram
(6,265 posts)POC have had their Constitutional protection(s) abridged and ignored since day one of the conceptions of that document and the Bill of Rights. Yet they are of a segment of our general population that cannot have their rights abridged for any reason. Okay, I understand now.
bottomofthehill
(8,329 posts)llashram, you have the Army Star in the corner of your post. I am going to assume (and I could be wrong) that it is there because you or someone near to you served. You take an oath to protect and defend the Constitution. The Oathkeepers, lll Percenters and other fraud organizations choose to pick and choose, ignore parts of or self interpret the Constitution. That is not the way it works. I took an Oath and will continue to Protect and Defend the Constitution. I singularly do not get to Pass Legislation, Sign Legislation or hold legal proceedings on passed and signed laws, that is left to others, I am left to hold the Constitution until such time as it is changed.
llashram
(6,265 posts)every word in this answer of yours is correct. Yet as a disabled vet who had to watch the Confederates in my company as well as the VC-NVA, I am GREATLY OFFENDED by these people and their nazi leader. By a hairsbreadth, we avoided another Hitler this last election and the ensuing attempted Insurrection and coup d'etat. This fact should have never been. Yet the big lie is ongoing on Fox News with its deranged and sociopathic pundits and in the general racist American public full of the narcissistic, self-avowed 'superior race'. Nor has any significant jail-prison sentence been handed down to those self-avowed members of the 'superior race'. And no one in the nazi leadership, not Trump, nor Miller nor Kushner et al. have been held responsible nor accountable for the attempted coup. I did not almost lose my life in Vietnam as some of my friends did for these dangerous clowns to keep calling America theirs only. This is a country I cannot be comfortable with every time a racist Trumper assumes my colour as an enemy and tries to intimidate me with their eyes or weapon.
Many still ARE NOT free as written in that document nor accepted as Americans. I think all the way back to Crispus Attacks and to when one of my descendants joined the 9th-10th Calvary(coloured designation) or the 24th-25th Infantry(coloured designation) with UNINTERRUPTED service till my voluntary duty In the United States Army. When that day comes, IF I SEE IT, I shall then think all who died in defence of that document you hold so highly, died for a true all-inclusive-equitable democracy.
Have at it, I'm finished. Have a good one
Rorey
(8,445 posts)They're witnessing as the lives of many of the criminals from the January 6 insurrection are greatly damaged, if not ruined, and they think it's a good idea to do it again??? That takes a special kind of stupid.
Justice matters.
(6,929 posts)drmeow
(5,018 posts)will be on hand to arrest any repeat offenders - you know, some of those "as yet unidentified" individuals who were at the 1/6 insurrection .
Deb
(3,742 posts)A taste of their own medicine seems appropriate.
a small space about three miles from the Capitol. Precedents have been set.
BidenRocks
(827 posts)You have seen this. People get zero traction and fall down.
Combined with the microwave heat device, I don't see a need for the heavily armed military back-up.
Sorry, but my personal choice is Claymores.
Do you REALLY want to do this?
UGADawg
(501 posts)*
Traildogbob
(8,739 posts)All the money spent of repairs to the Capital, the fence put up, taken down and the national guard, all the medical bills of Capital police, now here we go again. All those piss ant fines judges assign for insurrectionist should be a portion of all that money those shit bags have cost us. And the Cleric that sent them, Trump, should be charged as well. Fiscal conservative pricks.
Rebl2
(13,507 posts)fencing around congressional offices? You going to put up the fences do it right and put fences around those buildings as well.
BumRushDaShow
(128,979 posts)(see map below of the buildings)
I expect they will be beefing up the guards around the entrances.
bottomofthehill
(8,329 posts)It is a difficult balance between First Amendment rights and securing the Capitol. They are both important parts of our Democracy.
https://www.uscp.gov/sites/uscapitolpolice.house.gov/files/wysiwyg_uploaded/U.S.%20Capitol%20Grounds%20Demonstration%20Area%20Map.pdf
BumRushDaShow
(128,979 posts)that they had around the Capitol after 1/6 - i.e., this -
would be a feasibility issue.
bottomofthehill
(8,329 posts)No one is going to attack the Ford Building on a Saturday...
BumRushDaShow
(128,979 posts)actually houses Congressional offices (unless they had a map).
I remember about 35 years ago attending a conference down there for work and deciding to visit the Capitol during my off time. Once I stepped inside and asked about actually going into one of the chambers, I was told I needed a pass from either my Senator or Congressman. I refused to go to Arlen Specter's office so had to find out where Bill Gray's office was and then got the route - which I could get to through one of the Capitol tunnels in the basement, which I used. Then I came back with pass in hand so I could sit up in the House Gallery and watch a "Special Orders" speech (basically reading written remarks into the record in an empty chamber) near the end of the day done by I think Dan Rostenkowski...
But since those buildings are adjacent to businesses, etc., it would be way too disruptive to try to encircle all of them. I still think there will be some beefed up security at them but no fencing.
bottomofthehill
(8,329 posts)The concentration is on where the potential threat is. On 1/6, people were walking around in the office buildings like it was a regular day.
iluvtennis
(19,858 posts)very lucky that the Jan 6th insurrection wasn't a blood bath. We should do all necessary to protect the capitol and thus democracy.
usaf-vet
(6,186 posts)First two rings one inside the other. Razor wire on the top. ELECTRIC with high volts low amps on the inside ring with lots, of warning signs.
WARNING Electric fence that will knock you on your ass.
WARNING anyone in the ring between the two fences will be charged with federal crimes carry a minimum of 5 years in federal prison.
Assume for the worst then prepare for it.
bigworld
(1,807 posts)That's what I'm worried about.
Lasher
(27,597 posts)Their ring leader no longer lives there. OTOH, Biden and his people could just be somewhere else.
Martin68
(22,801 posts)being accessible too citizens.
Slammer
(714 posts)I'd like to complain, once again, that they removed the original fence just before August when Trump was supposed to have been reinstated.
Then right after the fence came down, the government started putting out bulletins telling everyone to be on high alert because of the probability of renewed attacks.
< growls in frustration >
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orangecrush
(19,555 posts)tonekat
(1,815 posts)...the frustration of not seeing the cavalry arrive for hours on 1/6 was maddening.
orangecrush
(19,555 posts)It was not a mass murder and successful coup.
I wonder what part of that the judges and prosecutors don't get.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Post signs on it like are seen on highly sensitive military bases. Anyone breaching this barricade will be shot. Then do it if the fence is penetrated.