FDA delays decision on e-cigarettes from vaping giant Juul

[RamblingRose]

Source: Associated Press

Federal health officials on Thursday delayed a high-stakes decision on whether to permit bestselling vaping brand Juul to stay on the market, while banning the sale of thousands of other electronic cigarettes.

The Food and Drug Administration said it rejected applications for nearly 950,000 e-cigarettes and related products, mainly due to their potential appeal to underage teens. Some of the products are currently being sold while many others were only proposed by manufacturers. But the agency didn’t rule on Juul, the most popular brand with adult smokers and many teens.

Parents, politicians and anti-tobacco advocates have pressured the FDA for years to ban Juul’s high-nicotine devices, which many blame for the recent spike in underage vaping. But the agency said it would need more time to rule on that company’s products.

“There’s more work to be done to complete our remaining reviews and ensure that we continue taking appropriate action to protect our nation’s youth from the dangers of all tobacco products, including e-cigarettes,” the agency said in a statement. The agency noted 80% of teens and children who vape use flavored products.

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My daughter is one of the many teens that got addicted to nicotine from vaping. If she can't get the nicotine from vaping she'll start smoking cigarettes. Even if she becomes a pack a day smoker she'll get less nicotine than from vaping the juice.

[Phoenix61]

1. She'll also get a lot of other chemicals.

I’m not saying nicotine is good for you but vaping is no where near as bad health wise as cigarettes. I switched from cigs to vaping years ago. My lung capacity improved and I quit having ear infections.

[LiberatedUSA]

2. Have you advocated for banning flavored vodkas?

Cause those come in a lot of enticing flavors as well.

Vaping has helped a lot of people switch from real smoking, which is worse, and many can eventually quit after the switch.

I think big tobacco just doesn’t like the idea of smokers quitting; hence all the vaping hate. Anti-smokers don’t much like smokers quitting either, as yelling about smoking is a fun thing to do in groups. The more smokers switch to the less harmful and less smelly (cause it is water vapor that goes away immediately) vaping, the less fun one can have shaming smokers.

[RamblingRose]

3. I think that is a false equivalency. But Cheers!

[Hugh_Lebowski]

7. "I think big tobacco just doesn't like the idea of smokers quitting"

Fun fact: The products that are NOT yet getting banned, like Juul?

Are from companies owned by Big Tobacco/Cigarette Companies.

The ones that ARE?

NOT owned by Big Tobacco/Cigarettes.

[Orrex]

13. Is flavored vodka marketed as a safe alternative to alcohol?

No? Then your analogy completely fails.

Also, the gaslighting and projection that fill your third paragraph do not bolster your argument.

[cinematicdiversions]

4. One ciggerette is more harmful than a month of vaping.

Nicotine is addictive but it more like caffeine than heroin. It isn't the reason cigarettes are bad for you.

This is the equivalent of banning flavored coffees.

[NurseJackie]

5. Whatever happened to the possible ban of menthol cigarettes?

That's what made smoking so "smooth" and "fresh" for me... back when I started smoking, it was the menthol that made it more tolerable for me. Salem was my brand for the longest time.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

6. No offense Rose, ya know I love ya, but ...

F*** The Children.

(not literally of course)

I do not care about them, and this is a bullshit reason for this action.

There's 1000's of similar 'kid friendly' alcoholic products and nobody says shit.

BTW, the only reason they're not taking on Juul and similar products?

BECAUSE THEY'RE OWNED BY BIG TOBACCO/CIGARETTES.

They're going AFTER ... the competition to the big cigarette companies.

This is fucking pissing me off to no end.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

8. Let me also add ... Juul may be the SINGLE 'most popular brand'

But I would bet that if you measured by the amount of e-liquid that Juul and Vuse and those other 'convenience store products' COMBINED ... sell ... across the world ... it's probably like 10-15%, at most, of all vape juice sold.

No other single company will compare, sales-wise, but that's because there's 1000's of small-to-medium sized companies creating and selling juice, and probably another 100+ making mods, and/or tanks.

These Juul types of products are a vastly overpriced means of consuming nicotine compared to buying your own refillable device, and juice by the large bottle.

By banning these other 90% of (vastly cheaper, I might add) vape juice products sold, these Big Tobacco-owned products will instantly corner the market, prices will rise DRASTICALLY for everyone.

Let me add ... the juice in Juul and Vuse ... SUUUUUUCKS.

I'm pretty damn sure this is also a scheme by the government to be able to more conveniently tax these products.

[RamblingRose]

9. Follow the money. Love ya too

[Evolve Dammit]

10. So tragic. So preventable. Remove them from our country. Both. And save lives. n/t

[CCExile]

14. I seem to remember us trying prohibition before...

it doesn't end well.

[Polybius]

17. We were notoriously weak on the Mafia in the 20's

Other countries stopped them in the track around that time.

[cinematicdiversions]

22. So you in favor of banning coffee as well?

Because the caffeine in coffee is about as dangerous as the nicotine in vape juice....

And wait till I tell you about sugar...

[Evolve Dammit]

24. It's the additives, not the natural plants/ beans that I have a problem with. Put in to hook your as

s.

[Evolve Dammit]

11. If you look at the carcinogenic chemicals ADDED to tobacco. Benzene, formaldehyde, etc.

That's the killer. Not the broadleaf tobacco, but the additives to hook you and give you the "hit" you end up craving/ desiring. Been there, done that. Sucks. I'd like to try coca leaves at this point!

[Orrex]

12. Always remarkable to see people advocating so passionately for their preferred addictive substance

Typically involves a lot of misdirection, false equivalency, and eventually an invocation of some cartoonish notion of "freedom."

[LiberatedUSA]

15. So you are very much against...

…all the weed legalization then.

[Orrex]

18. Am I? Who knew?

Show me the thread that, in your view, showcases a bunch of marijuana addicts.

See, what you're doing is the misdirection that I cited above. Thanks for demonstrating it so quickly and predictably.

[LiberatedUSA]

20. See what you are doing is called...

…the “Nope game”. Anything anyone says “nope, my thing is different”. Everything is a false equivalency.

Not buying it.

You just feel your quest to ban is different. You can sell your “false equivalency” somewhere else else.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

16. I advocate passionately for opioids to be legal ...

So this one is nothing for me.

And yes, it's my exactly my 'cartoonish' notion of 'freedom' at play.

I'm an adult, let me choose to imbibe what I want.

Like a cartoon.

[Orrex]

19. Damn, you're so impressive!

I can't believe how fucking impressive you are! With your tireless advocacy, children will soon be able to get all the nicotine and heroin they want.

God bless you, brave freedom fighter!

[Hugh_Lebowski]

21. I never said they should be legal for children

And I wasn't trying to be 'impressive'.

And I'm not really 'tireless' either, about much of anything, so very little danger of me changing anything in this world.

It's really just a 'position' that I hold ... prohibition causes more damage overall.

Other than that, thanks for your sarcasm.

[cinematicdiversions]

23. This has nothing to do with children.

This is like banning cars to prevent children from driving.

[mockmonkey]

25. The targeting of teens is the problem.

Long ago my ex had switched to e-cigs to try and quit regular cigarettes and the amount of vapor that came out of those early brands was nothing compared to what they get now. You take something that might help someone and you exploit it for profit and not giving a fuck about the young people you hurt. I wonder if some of these many YouTube videos were paid for by Juul to get the ball rolling.

Joe the Camel has nothing on this shit.