Data shows Covid booster shots are 'not appropriate' at this time, U.S. and international scientists
Source: CNBC
An expert review of scientific evidence to date has concluded that Covid-19 vaccine booster shots are not needed at this time for the general public, a group of leading U.S. and international scientists said Monday in the peer-reviewed journal The Lancet.
The conclusion by scientists, including two senior Food and Drug Administration officials and the World Health Organization, came as studies continue to show the authorized Covid vaccines in the U.S. remain highly effective against severe disease and hospitalization caused by the fast-spreading delta variant.
While Covid vaccine effectiveness against mild disease may wane over time, protection against severe disease may persist, the scientists said. Thats because the bodys immune system is complex, they said, and has other defenses besides antibodies that may protect someone from getting seriously sick.
Current evidence does not, therefore, appear to show a need for boosting in the general population, in which efficacy against severe disease remains high, the scientists wrote, adding the wide distribution of boosters is not appropriate at this stage in the pandemic.
Read more: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/13/covid-booster-shots-data-shows-third-shots-not-appropriate-at-this-time-scientists-conclude.html
Polybius
(15,390 posts)I'll wait it out, I'm happy with the Moderna that I got a while back.
WHITT
(2,868 posts)They're ignoring the rising breakthrough infections of those fully vaccinated, and the CDC is only counting those that are hospitalized.
They also claim those who are unvaccinated should come first, except there isn't a single unvaccinated person in the country that cannot find a dose of vaccine.
carpetbagger
(4,391 posts)In their estimation, vaccines could save more lives with developing world 1st vaccinations as opposed to industrialized world 3rd.
brush
(53,771 posts)hospitalization, and even less in death. Winger media of course greatly exaggerates any deaths of breakthrough infections, as rare as they are.
Demsrule86
(68,555 posts)get paid...can't get unemployment either in Ohio because we are 'not available for work'. I am going to do all I can to stay healthy. There are already five cases at my husband's place of work...and one is in a vaccinated individual. There is no help at all in Ohio and other states for pandemic related illness.
JanMichael
(24,885 posts)They were vaccinated since last March or April just like me.
His explanation was that was like a bad flu. Also the symptoms lasted at least 10 days. So you're right people can't work if they get it even if they are vaccinated and the damn thing does tend to last for almost 2 weeks for most people. On top of that the spouse still hasn't gotten sense of smell back so long haul is a possibility even if you are vaccinated. And since the smell thing might not be the only thing. we don't know that yet.
I'm all for third vaccines for working people. We already have a labor problem. Without boosters we're just making that worse.
Demsrule86
(68,555 posts)manage the protocols for keeping it cold etc...and honestly, like it is not our job to intervene in civil wars, it is not our job to heal the world...sure we help as much as possible...but not at the expense of Americans. It is in our interest to do what we can to stop the spread...but not if it causes it to spread here and destroys our economy and kills people.
the boosters would only come from mRNA vaccines, which the 'developing world' doesn't have the minus 100 degree storage capabilities required, so the dispersion of boosters wouldn't deprive them of a single dose.
Demsrule86
(68,555 posts)lives, the scientist think others would benefit more...ah I have the intention of getting a shot at CVS on Saturday. I had Covid and will do all I can not to get it again.
Miguelito Loveless
(4,465 posts)Not true a lot of other places. The 19 million doses of vaccine that went into the garbage could have saved a lot of lives in African, Asia, and South America.
cardonay
(26 posts)Tough choice.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Did you see the news a week or so ago where 2 "top FDA officials" resigned because of Joe's push for boosters?
Look at the Israeli data. They strongly urged US already to provide boosters at 5 months.
Israelis will present to FDA tomorrow, the same day they will vote on whether to allow us boosters.
Joe needs to thoroughly clean house at FDA & CDC, imo.
Yesterday, NBC called the opinion piece by those two whackos a "study", which it clearly is not. Then there was a report that the FDA had "studies" both for and against, and now the report is the top of the FDA is remaining neutral. This is bullshit.
Could not agree more about cleaning house. Seems some people want to keep this pandemic going to use as a campaign issue in '22.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)roamer65
(36,745 posts)I have zero trust in them.
Start administering boosters ASAP for the general population.
wnylib
(21,433 posts)comes from WHO. It is from an article in Lancet.
I am not a medical expert, so I am wary of challenging them. But, on the other hand, there is the experience of Israel.
Sgent
(5,857 posts)because Biden announced the booster expansion before there was good science on it; Pfizer and Moderna are poised to make billions; most of the science comes from Israel which has some anomalous results; a strong belief in vaccine equity and the thought that the first shot in a poor person does a lot more good than the 3rd shot in a rich one.
The first two authors are former high-ranking (as of in the last month) FDA officials that got pissed off that the White House announced the booster before the FDA or anyone else had reviewed the data from the drug makers. The rest are from the WHO and similar organizations. Similar organizations are also complaining about youth immunizations.
I mostly agree with them although I think they should still be given to high risk people and essential workers at a minimum. A mild illness still means 10 days or so out of work, and a week running a fever.
usaf-vet
(6,181 posts)wnylib
(21,433 posts)And how does the virus distinguish between rich and poor?
It's those two whack-jobs. They were full of it then, they're still full of it now. THEY were the ones who were being political, while falsely accusing the WH of being political. Good riddance.
Demsrule86
(68,555 posts)along the way these companies make money.
Steelrolled
(2,022 posts)and I will not lie to get my way.
The FDA is not a cowboy outfit, and they are conservative for good reason.
I hope that the administration learns to be more cautious about commenting on medical matters - we had too much of that with Trump.
LudwigPastorius
(9,137 posts)caraher
(6,278 posts)At best this supports targeted boosters. But the public health goal needs to be not maximizing individual immunity within our own country, but reducing the global number of cases. The rate at which breakthrough cases emerge, coupled with the generally lower severity of such cases, indicates that giving people initial immunity will have a bigger impact on the number of infections than would allocating the still-limited supplies of vaccines to boosters in the general population. Give boosters to the sick and elderly, and ship the rest of the doses to countries where people need (and will take!) them. That's the best path to stopping the proliferation of variants and closing this phase of the pandemic.
WHITT
(2,868 posts)to the 'developing world', and any country that has the required storage facilities can afford to buy their own vaccines.
Sgent
(5,857 posts)most of them can be stored at a few hospitals and distributed for HCW and some high risk patients.
BumRushDaShow
(128,892 posts)Unfortunately in many of those countries, the "few hospitals" are located in the "few large cities" that are often far far away from the village-oriented or rural populace that need it the most.
We have the same exact situation here in the U.S. when it comes to getting vaccine to our own rural areas - and that is with having road infrastructure that many countries don't have. The fact that you have hospitals in the state of Idaho "shipping" their patients to Washington state hospitals is a case in point.
I think this is why the adenovirus-based vaccines were being hoped for in terms of storage requirements vs the mRNA ones. But the current adenovirus vaccines have had their own issues, although they represent the bulk of the COVID-19 vaccines that are actually being manufactured and distributed.
I.e., I believe the Pfizer and Moderna ones are the only mRNA-based ones and the rest around the world are adenovirus ones (e.g., Janssen (J&J), UK AstraZeneca, along with the Chinese Sinovac & Russian Sputnik V vaccines).
We already donated our entire inventory of AstraZeneca, as it only requires regular refrigeration, and next they're supposed to donate some J&J, and whatever the name if the Covax one is, I forget.
BumRushDaShow
(128,892 posts)that is handling the logistics of compiling info on the donations, distribution, and tracking of the vaccines being directed to various countries around the world.
I think that other adenovirus-type vaccine is called "Novavax" and they are still debating whether to apply for approval here but have gone on and applied in the EU and elsewhere (I think Japan).
ETA - I had posted about what was actually being distributed around the world (at least as of this past June) - https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=15826484
And also posted the State Department's vaccine shipping/tracking link - https://www.state.gov/covid-19-recovery/vaccine-deliveries/
where as of yesterday (9/13/21), they are listing "134,047,420" doses shipped.
That's another one that only requires regular refrigeration, which Covax wants to add to their donation list.
wnylib
(21,433 posts)16% of the infections are in vaccinated people. 7% are in partiallly vaccinated people. 50% of the infections are in people under age 40.
Seniors over 65 have the highest vaccination rate in the county. They also have the highest hospitalization and death rate here. In my mind there is no question about the need for boosters for people over 65.
caraher
(6,278 posts)We need to get shots in everyone worldwide before we devote resources to some marginal additional gain in immunity for the US general population. It's not so much about whether you or I can improve our immunity by 20 or 30%, when leaving others totally unprotected will continue to evolve variants that might defeat our vaccines.
Given 300 million doses, what will reduce infections more - giving boosters to 300 million people who already have substantial immunity, or fully immunizing 150 million people? The answer is the latter, and that's something this expert review reflects.
The only people in the US who should be considered for boosters at this time are the elderly and immunocompromised.
WHITT
(2,868 posts)doesn't have the proper storage requirements, so providing whatever number of boosters doesn't deprive anyone anywhere of a vaccine.
DFW
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You aren't preventing starvation if you airlift 100 tons of frozen food to a central distribution point in the Sahara that has neither refrigeration or even the electricity to power refrigerators if they had them. You can only help the locals if you have the facilities and infrastructure to implement your aid.
100 million doses of vaccine that will deteriorate before they even get unpacked helps no one. Better to distribute them while they are effective, and distribute vaccine that remains effective under local conditions where we can. Better to give Moderna boosters in the USA than send them to third world areas where they will be useless to the people there before they are even offloaded.
I don't get why the WHO is blind to this. Not providing boosters of the mRNA vaccines doesn't get anybody in any other country a single dose.
Do I gotta say "DUH!" ?
muriel_volestrangler
(101,308 posts)There are big cities all over developing countries. They have universities, or central hospitals, that can have cold storage facilities. They have millions of people who can go to vaccination distributing points in a few hours - and their problem will be traffic, not lack of roads. Even without low temperature freezers, the Pfizer vaccine lasts for 30 days in dry ice.
No, you don't get to say "Duh", because you just don't understand what the situation is.
WHITT
(2,868 posts)would be so irresponsible as to risk sending a large shipment of mRNA vaccines to anyplace without the required minus 100 degree storage on that ridiculously short expiration schedule.
DUH.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,308 posts)You really go out of your way to be annoying, don't you?
https://www.dw.com/en/covid-biden-pledges-donation-of-500-million-vaccine-doses/a-57849161
WHITT
(2,868 posts)and
are not the 'developing world'.
What's actually "annoying" is those that reply with non sequiturs.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,308 posts)For instance:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-uk-scheme-to-drive-trade-with-developing-countries
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41541-020-0209-2
WHITT
(2,868 posts)Demsrule86
(68,555 posts)our economy is in trouble...have you tried to buy a phone or a car lately...people are getting laid off as the big three and the transplant autos can't get chips. Phones are affected as well.
Tomconroy
(7,611 posts)People who died from breakthrough cases is 68. So approving them for at least older people would seem appropriate
muriel_volestrangler
(101,308 posts)Sancho
(9,067 posts)That's what it looks like to me...
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00486-2/fulltext
A crucial problem for getting vaccines to LMICs is an interrupted cold chain. This is the case in Africa, where many communities live without continuous power supplies, and freezers that cost up to $20 000 are unaffordable. While capacity building is ongoing, countries could focus on donating and administering vector vaccines that are easier to store than mRNA vaccines and are sufficiently safe and effective, particularly in older individuals. Preliminary evidence from the Com-COV trial shows that heterologous vaccination is safe and induces robust immune responses, a viable option for countries that cannot rely on a steady stream of vaccines. There have been calls, reasonable in a time of global catastrophe, to waive intellectual property rights to facilitate local vaccine manufacturing, which should currently focus on LMICs with sufficiently robust regulatory capacities to ensure the quality of local production, as argued by the Center for Global Development. Vaccine donors and corporations can think about how to help with these issues in the short and long terms.
Vulnerable people in HICs have already been prioritised; vulnerable people in LMICs cannot wait until 2023 for their turn, and this wait is in the best interest of no one.
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wnylib
(21,433 posts)this is an opinion piece, an editorial article, and not a new study. Its conclusion is the same as we already knew from WHO, that they favor sending vaccines abroad over giving boosters here.
BumRushDaShow
(128,892 posts)This has been the case forever. You will always have disagreements over what any "facts" and "evidence" actually "mean".
In this case, you have experts who operate in different "lanes" (medical personnel vs epidemiologists vs virologists) and sometimes there will be a clash of opinions. And in the case of a respiratory virus that primarily spreads through airborne transmission, you can add in another group of experts who deal with airflow dynamics and particle movement.
The clashes a year ago regarding "droplets" vs "aerosolization" was a perfect example of scientists and medical personnel "assuming things" outside of their areas of expertise. And in a number of cases, some were loudly making bad "black or white conclusions" that had an impact on masking decisions that should have had enough "shades of gray" to allow time for other experts to have a chance to look at the data and provide some input.
Having listened to both CDC's & FDA's Committees when they streamed their meetings/discussions the past year, you will often find a couple out of the majority of participants, who will disagree, sometimes vehemently, but they usually have some reasoning behind "why". But in general, they have all been working in tandem.
In the case of a "booster" - one of things brought out in their last meeting was use of the term "booster". A number of members insisted that use of the term itself was a misnomer and believed that the way it is being described/formulated *should* have it considered to be a "3rd dose" (or a "3rd in a series" for the original "2-dose" regiments) vs a "booster dose". Since a large number of vaccines are initially used in children, many of the Committee physician members actually work in the pediatric field and have become accustomed to how vaccines are characterized for that demographic.
This is a "techie" issue that is sadly playing out in the lay community. It hearkens back to a similar "technical" dispute between the NWS, the media, and the lay public revolving around Hurricane Sandy and its "technical" (per past definitions and practice) "type change" from "Hurricane Sandy" to "Super Storm Sandy", with its "tropical" nature "technically" stripped at the latitude of landfall, thus "technically" no longer qualifying as a "hurricane" (which is a tropical system), but had transitioned into a "non-tropical cyclone". But the outrage was palatable because everything else about it was "hurricane like". The bitterness a decade later persists because of that as the terms have different meanings, particularly when it comes to insurance claims, among other things, and changes were made to try to rectify these "technicalities" due to public reaction.
I think there are a myriad of issues here that they have had to deal with that are literally unprecedented - the virus itself (and its mutations), the vaccines (and how novel they are - particularly the mRNA ones), the scope of the pandemic (something not seen since 1918), and the politicization of how to handle moving on and combating the the impact of infections.
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BumRushDaShow
(128,892 posts)They are NOW voting on the SAME question but for ages 65+.
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BumRushDaShow
(128,892 posts)and the Committee disagreed HOWEVER they just approved for 65+.
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BumRushDaShow
(128,892 posts)was who they were having issues with regarding potential myocarditis and having little data on them in general.
You need to actually turn the damn thing on and stop trolling the thread.
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BumRushDaShow
(128,892 posts)I have been watching the discussions all day long (they just ended the meeting). And everything you are posting is clearly from someone who is completely clueless.
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BumRushDaShow
(128,892 posts)If not, you are talking out of your ass.
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BumRushDaShow
(128,892 posts)your understanding of the actual Vaccine approval process being torn to pieces.
cadoman
(792 posts)Throughout this pandemic we saw so much misinformation with respect to droplet theory (settled science), mask efficacy (settled science), vaccine effectiveness and safety (settled science), the ineffectiveness and dangers of treating COVID with ivermectin and hydroxywhatever (settled science), effectiveness of lockdowns and distancing (settled science).
There were literally licensed doctors in white lab coats promoting misinformation on ALL the above topics. The _inventor_ of mRNA vaccines (Dr. Robert Malone) is even out promoting misinformation about how the product he created should be used.
How is a layperson supposed to differentiate between misinformation and genuine scientific disagreement like we see here with the booster shots?
BumRushDaShow
(128,892 posts)but it's not a new one.
The field, particularly when it comes to R&D, is extremely competitive. I point you to this ugly chapter of history that provided the cornerstone and jumping off point for what we are now seeing used for the design of mRNA vaccines -
RANT ON
(am trying to remember which class I was in during college where I ran an X-ray diffraction crystallography experiment - it may have been in a PChem lab and it was an old hulking machine - at least the one they had )
Yet you had this, penned by a fucking racist and sexist -
The reality - https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jun/23/sexism-in-science-did-watson-and-crick-really-steal-rosalind-franklins-data
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RANT OFF
And to actually answer your question - it will be difficult because of the proliferation of different types of media nowadays that can "magnify opinions", going far beyond the non-electronic, slower distribution of the print media of old that included books, newspapers and pamphlets, and magazine journals.
And even with that, the "opinion" part (i.e., "interpretation of what a set of facts might mean" ) will probably never go away.
Case in point - the ridiculous debate of - "Yes wine is good for you, say scientists based on a study" to the "No, wine is bad for you say scientists based on a study" silliness that continues decade after decade.
About the only thing I can suggest is to let your mind have a little wiggle room so you keep an open mind and be ready for a "change".
However I have found that in this era of "social media", although the "loudest voices" tend to "get heard", they are often overcompensating for a reason, and it's probably not a good one.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)"vaccine inadequacy" rather than actual evidence of necessity of the boosters, if you ask me.
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OneCrazyDiamond
(2,031 posts)The wealthy tried to party in their walls, while the red death raged amongst the peasants. It still got them in the end.
Corgigal
(9,291 posts)not the infection. We could always catch the infection, in our nose for example, but our T and B memory cell should recognize the spike RNA and take it out. Autoimmune dysfunction persons, and maybe over aged 75 might need another booster. Scientists are saying this will probably be a yearly booster, like the flu.
wnylib
(21,433 posts)In my area, according to the county health board's daily website statistics, people over 65 have the highest vaccination rate and the highest death rate.
Corgigal
(9,291 posts)Im just telling you what I heard from This Week in Virology podcast. I listen to them weekly, and they arent selling me anything. Not telling you I can always follow 100 percent of the conversation, but I have learned a lot in the past year.
Farmer-Rick
(10,160 posts)It is Not, not, not a research paper. It is just opinions of some political scientists who claim to have looked at the real research.
This sounds very political and Not based on the scientific method. They keep saying that Biden is wrong. So, sounds more like sour grapes then real research.
"Variant.Breakthrough cases accounted for about 1 in 5 newly diagnosed cases in six of the states, according to The New York Times. Hospitalizations and deaths among vaccinated people may be higher than previously thought as well."
"U.S. data show rising 'breakthrough' infections among fully vaccinated."
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/us-data-show-rising-breakthrough-infections-among-fully-vaccinated-2021-08-24/
They say themselves that "Covid vaccine effectiveness against mild disease may wane over time." It's Not "May"...it "Does" wane over time, there is clear evidence that vaccinations wane over a 6 to 8 month period. And even mild cases can leave permanent damage to the heart and lungs.
This just looks so much like Biden bashing and not like well thought out research.
JohnSJ
(92,168 posts)LisaL
(44,973 posts)Vaccinated people who are infected are also capable of spreading covid around. So even so-called "mild" infection should be avoided.
wnylib
(21,433 posts)the Pfizer vaccine first came out that Pfizer said it was good for at least 6 months and there should be a reassessment in 6 months about whether an additional dose was necessary, based on real world experience with the vaccine.
Both Pfizer and Moderna have said that they considered making the vaccine a 3 shot series from the start, but since early test results showed good results at 2 doses, they decided to go with 2 due to the urgency to get large numbers of people vaccinated quickly. That was BEFORE delta.
Now the real world experience is validating earlier predictions that vaccine effectiveness would wane in 6 months and require a 3rd dose. It should have been a 3 dose shot to begin with. There are other vaccines that are also given in more than 2 doses, e.g. polio, which is 3 initial doses and a later booster to immunize against all variants of polio.
JohnSJ
(92,168 posts)immunologists who have a different take, that boosters should be given.
Dr. Fauci for one.
Boris Johnson is suppossed to announce today that people over 50 in the UK will be eligible for a booster:
"The government said Tuesday that it will offer free booster shots to 30 million people in the country to protect front-line health workers, those over 50 and any other medically vulnerable people."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/britain-uk-covid-government/2021/09/14/12706676-14cb-11ec-a019-cb193b28aa73_story.html
The Lancet piece is NOT a consensus piece throughout the medical community
Bayard
(22,062 posts)Before giving boosters to anyone else.
Hearing more reports of break though infections, especially with Delta. I remember reading a few months ago that even those of us who are fully vaccinated have dropped down to about 60% effectiveness.
that doesn't get them a single dose. Only the mRNA vaccines would be used for boosters, which cannot be shipped to the developing world anyway.
OneCrazyDiamond
(2,031 posts)The claim they have shipped 1.3 billion doses to 120 different countries.
WHITT
(2,868 posts)is only shipping to countries that have minus 100 degree storage facilities. Countries that have minus 100 degree storage facilities can afford to purchase their own vaccines.
OneCrazyDiamond
(2,031 posts)They claim they have storage solved too.
https://www.pfizer.com/news/hot-topics/distributing_our_covid_19_vaccine_to_the_world
You got to imagine they aren't just now thinking "hey cold storage is an issue".
Strelnikov_
(7,772 posts)1) Shots for late-adopters.
2) Boost immuno-compromised, high-risk groups after six months.
2a) Boost front line health care workers after six months.
3) Everyone else, boost after six months using vaccine that is about to be 'spoiled' (thrown out).
(edited to add 2a)
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Random Boomer
(4,168 posts)Not only am I over 65, I have reduced lung capacity and other issues that are controlled with medication but that still make me less than hale and hearty. My wife has Parkinson's and diabetes, so even more vulnerable.
I'm getting a booster end of September, early October. Period.
OneCrazyDiamond
(2,031 posts)the odds of getting severely ill or dying from COVID-19 are extremely low. You both may have already been and not know it.
Demsrule86
(68,555 posts)OneCrazyDiamond
(2,031 posts)What was their vaccination rate?
If we dont vaccinate the poorer countries, we wont be safe no matter the boosters.
Demsrule86
(68,555 posts)not getting paid and may very well lose their jobs. And of course no matter how slim the possibility, they could die. We need to vaccinate here. I think we can vaccinate here and still help if needed. Why doesn't WHO vaccinate? Why is it our job? And I would point out that many scientists including Fauci do not agree with these few IMHO politically-minded folks who seem to think denying Americans a life-saving vaccine booster is needed to help poor countries with the vaccine situation. Joe Biden is taxed with keeping Americans safe. Vaccine boosters will do that.
Skittles
(153,150 posts)and I am very happy to wait until you folk get it...I am disgusted by the ME FIRST mentality of too many healthy folk
Demsrule86
(68,555 posts)Last edited Thu Sep 16, 2021, 08:04 AM - Edit history (1)
has to do with finances too. Hubs and I have been out of work off and on for well over a year...we faced a GM strike just before the pandemic hit too. There is no help available for people who get sick and can't work...chances are you lose your job too...we simply can't afford to get sick and there are many in our situation.
Also, health plans including Medicare or so my sister-in-law says are no longer covering deductibles so we could be left with huge medical bills. Many folks have large deductibles even in Medicare plans. Also, there is a political issue. President Biden is already facing lower polls in terms of the Pandemic. We need to do all we can to turn this around here before 22 and 24 or we will lose those elections. And I believe that should include boosters for all citizens with older Americans and those with medical issues first in line.
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Deb
(3,742 posts)Did I get that right?
Sancho
(9,067 posts)Basically, it's a letter to the editor. The CNBC folks are misleading.
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Sancho
(9,067 posts)I missed that...oh well.
I'm older and already have a third shot. I'm sure that as data come in the FDA will follow their rules.
The FDA are not serving as journal editors.
Steelrolled
(2,022 posts)To paraphrase Grace Hopper (and others):
BumRushDaShow
(128,892 posts)my dad worked for the VA starting in the mid-'50s and was fortunate to have been taught COBOL by her during his career when he worked as a computer programmer (his unit did the programming for the distribution of VA checks here in Philly). My mom would always mention how he would talk about her all the time.
Steelrolled
(2,022 posts)I'm sure she left an impression on many people throughout her life. Your dad must have had some interesting experiences being in the computer industry so early, and being a programmer when that was a rarity.
BumRushDaShow
(128,892 posts)he would take us to the office every once in a while to show us around. The room with the mainframe was huge, had a raised floor, and was air-conditioned, and I was fascinated by the mag tape drives with the tapes jerking forward and back. He and his buddies would "entertain" us by loading a stack of punch cards in a punch card reader, where the cards had been punched (programmed) in a specific sequence so that when run through the reader, could create a "song". I literally just found this video and I had been thinking it was the reader doing the "sounds" but I bet it was actually activating an old IBM line printer like this -
I think I remember "Jingle Bells" being one of the "songs".
He used to bring home a couple plastic rings used on the tapes like this -
that we would throw around the house like frisbees.
Steelrolled
(2,022 posts)I got my start in the waning days of punch cards and reel tapes. I believe you would press those rings onto tape reels to "write protect" them, so they couldn't be accidentally overwritten.
BumRushDaShow
(128,892 posts)I assumed they were write-protect rings because we had them for some of the older DEC systems (e.g. PDP 11/70). But apparently for some systems (like some IBM system tapes), they actually used "write enable" rings too, which was new to me!