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Wed Sep 15, 2021, 12:07 PM Sep 2021

(MN) Supreme Court overturns third-degree murder conviction against Mohamed Noor

Source: StarTribune

The Minnesota Supreme Court on Wednesday overturned the third-degree murder conviction against former Minneapolis police officer Mohamed Noor. The decision stunningly rejected a February ruling by the Minnesota Court of Appeals that upheld the count against Noor, who is serving 12 1/2 years in prison for fatally shooting Justine Ruszczyk Damond in 2017. Jurors convicted Noor in 2019 of third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter for shooting Damond while responding to her 911 call about a possible sexual assault in the alley behind her home.

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Plunkett asked the state Supreme Court to make sense of language in the state's third-degree murder statute, which has perplexed attorneys for years and came into play earlier this year when former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin was tried for the unrelated killing of George Floyd. Jurors convicted Chauvin on April 20 of second-degree unintentional murder, third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter.

Plunkett asked the state Supreme Court to address two questions: Can a person be convicted of third-degree murder if the deadly act is aimed at a single person, and can the reckless nature of an act alone establish the necessary depraved mind-set?

According to state statute, third-degree murder applies when a defendant kills someone "by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind." The word "others" has led many attorneys to interpret that the statute applies when multiple people are endangered and someone is killed. Veteran attorneys have said it would apply, for instance, to someone shooting indiscriminately into a moving train. The "depraved mind" element has been difficult to define, some attorneys have said.


Read more: https://www.startribune.com/supreme-court-overturns-third-degree-murder-conviction-against-ex-minneapolis-police-officer-mohamed/600097386/



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Supreme Court overturns third-degree murder conviction against ex-Minneapolis police officer Mohamed Noor

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(MN) Supreme Court overturns third-degree murder conviction against Mohamed Noor (Original Post) question everything Sep 2021 OP
This could open a can of worms sarisataka Sep 2021 #1
True, but I'm wondering whether this decision might result in an argument on appeal Ocelot II Sep 2021 #3
If I were his lawyer sarisataka Sep 2021 #4
Yup. I sure hope he doesn't have to be retried with the 3rd degree charge left out. Ocelot II Sep 2021 #5
Time to update some of these statutes IronLionZion Sep 2021 #2
Let's make it clear: ret5hd Sep 2021 #6
Really hoping this doesn't help Chauvin Amishman Sep 2021 #7
But he was sentenced on the more serious offense of second-degree felony murder. Ocelot II Sep 2021 #8

sarisataka

(18,633 posts)
1. This could open a can of worms
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 12:10 PM
Sep 2021

However Chauvin was also convicted of second-degree murder so will likely not change his sentence.

Ocelot II

(115,683 posts)
3. True, but I'm wondering whether this decision might result in an argument on appeal
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 12:16 PM
Sep 2021

that the third-degree murder charge also affected the jury's decision. Looks like Judge Cahill was right in the first instance when he threw out the third-degree charge. I expect it will make a difference as to the remaining three officers who haven't been tried yet.

sarisataka

(18,633 posts)
4. If I were his lawyer
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 12:20 PM
Sep 2021

I would be drawing up the appeal right now.

I understand why they fought to add it but it would have been better to leave the charge off. It would be a disaster if a full retrial was granted.

Ocelot II

(115,683 posts)
5. Yup. I sure hope he doesn't have to be retried with the 3rd degree charge left out.
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 12:22 PM
Sep 2021

I think the ultimate result would be the same but nobody wants to go through that again.

IronLionZion

(45,433 posts)
2. Time to update some of these statutes
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 12:11 PM
Sep 2021

so the justice system can have some clarity. There shouldn't be this much confusion over what to charge a murderer with, cop or not.

ret5hd

(20,491 posts)
6. Let's make it clear:
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 03:05 PM
Sep 2021

Civilian: Submit or die...and sometimes maybe submit AND die.

Cop: Fire at will.

Amishman

(5,557 posts)
7. Really hoping this doesn't help Chauvin
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 04:07 PM
Sep 2021

His 3rd degree murder conviction was based on a similar interpretation of that statute.

Ocelot II

(115,683 posts)
8. But he was sentenced on the more serious offense of second-degree felony murder.
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 06:38 PM
Sep 2021

If I were his lawyer, though, I'd argue in his appeal that the fact that the jury had to consider the third-degree charge was unduly prejudicial and that he should get a new trial without that count. However, the second-degree felony murder conviction was based on the jury's finding that he killed Floyd unintentionally while committing a different felony, aggravated assault, which doesn't require the same proof as the third-degree murder charge. So the prosecution's argument would be that the result of a new trial would be just the same.

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