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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,935 posts)
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 01:20 PM Sep 2021

Subpoenas Issued for Info on Every Pennsylvania Voter as Part of 2020 Election Probe

Source: Newsweek

A Pennsylvania Senate subcommittee has voted to approve 17 subpoenas for personal information on every voter in the state as part of the Republican-controlled Legislature's investigation into the 2020 election.

On Wednesday, Republican lawmakers voted to subpoena Democratic Governor Tom Wolf's administration for voter records, communication between state and county election officials, and other documents as part of their probe.

The subpoena on voter information will include the last four digits of social security numbers and driver's license numbers of those who voted in last year's presidential election. Pennsylvania law prohibits the public release of that information.

State Republicans also want to know how each person voted—by mail or in-person, absentee or provisional ballot—and when each ballot was casted, both in the presidential election and May's primary election.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/subpoenas-issued-for-info-on-every-pennsylvania-voter-as-part-of-2020-election-probe/ar-AAOtCjy?li=BB141NW3&ocid=DELLDHP



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Subpoenas Issued for Info on Every Pennsylvania Voter as Part of 2020 Election Probe (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2021 OP
What's next? They gonna publish it? 50 Shades Of Blue Sep 2021 #1
This doesn't just have a whiff, it positively reeks of desperation. Pacifist Patriot Sep 2021 #2
And mailing lists. SergeStorms Sep 2021 #36
Publish just Dem. voters names and addresses so folks can drop by and chat ashredux Sep 2021 #3
Voter lists and Party affiliations are a matter of public records. brooklynite Sep 2021 #19
Not How they voted ashredux Sep 2021 #20
Not sure that's true. brooklynite Sep 2021 #22
A request for social security numbers should be nowhere in any subpoena BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #26
sez right on the card, this is not an id. AllaN01Bear Sep 2021 #38
Exactly! BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #39
Try to buy a car or get a credit card or open a bank account without it. marie999 Sep 2021 #63
Agree Deminpenn Sep 2021 #60
My congressman already sent out a fundraising email on this last night BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #66
Good on Dwight Evans Deminpenn Sep 2021 #71
Correct Deminpenn Sep 2021 #59
Their legs must be broke then. 48656c6c6f20 Sep 2021 #24
Yep...the POS with the horns and fur will be released soon enough for voting chat Bengus81 Sep 2021 #75
Dems personal voter information in the hands of TalibanGOP. No worries. oasis Sep 2021 #4
Jesus H. Christ packman Sep 2021 #5
IMO our DOJ should be all over this. gab13by13 Sep 2021 #8
This should help them when they gerrymander. gab13by13 Sep 2021 #6
On the bright side.... SergeStorms Sep 2021 #37
The party registration info has always been available Deminpenn Sep 2021 #58
Someone is building a massive database. LiberalArkie Sep 2021 #7
A subpoena for everyone? Gotta be invalid invasion of privacy bucolic_frolic Sep 2021 #9
That's why I called Corman a fucking loon BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #10
This is a fishing expedition and intimidation under the Civil Rights Act. Ford_Prefect Sep 2021 #11
A judge did not issue a subpoena.... getagrip_already Sep 2021 #23
That is exactly my point. The subpoenas will not stand judicial review because they are not lawful. Ford_Prefect Sep 2021 #42
Any judge with a lick of sense should throw this out as a broad overreach of... thenelm1 Sep 2021 #51
The Penna GOP lost attempts to do so previously, I believe. Hence the legislative attempt Ford_Prefect Sep 2021 #55
Data collection by the authoritarian party. That doesn't bode well for individual PA voters. ancianita Sep 2021 #12
Here's an excerpt of the Philly Inquirer article being referenced BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #13
Again they are overreaching. And We Democrats are going to slap them down hard again. Tommymac Sep 2021 #14
Here is Gov. Wolf's (D) viceral remark -- BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #15
Bet Fetterman's is more salty. n/t malthaussen Sep 2021 #69
I had posted Fetterman's initial remark upthread BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #70
So much for a secret ballot. What an over reach and invasion of privacy! If I lived in PA, I'd sue. sinkingfeeling Sep 2021 #16
If Democrats cannot make hay out of this... Midnight Writer Sep 2021 #17
Conservatives are not terrified of what they have wanted to do to the American voter for decades. hadEnuf Sep 2021 #50
Wrong, imo, Deminpenn Sep 2021 #65
Seriously? They are doing stuff like that right in front of our faces. hadEnuf Sep 2021 #67
Exactly! Deminpenn Sep 2021 #64
Both political parties have data files on virtually all of us, certainly on voters, Hortensis Sep 2021 #18
Except the subpoena is asking for this-- LAST 4 DIGITS OF ALL SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #27
Oh definitely yes, that and "etc" are significant little additions. Hortensis Sep 2021 #31
The party of "small government" advocates who squawk about Harker Sep 2021 #21
Marc Elias has this on his radar now BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #25
Last 4 digits of SS numbers? Smackdown2019 Sep 2021 #28
They'll probably analyze those SSN numbers to see if they comport with Benford's Law... NurseJackie Sep 2021 #43
Social security numbers have nothing to Smackdown2019 Sep 2021 #46
Yes. I was speculating why they wanted SSN's. Not justifying it. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #48
Might be a great help in purging voter rolls. Would you put it by these jerks if enabled? n/t thenelm1 Sep 2021 #52
Nothing Deminpenn Sep 2021 #62
This is VOTER INTIMIDATION! Smackdown2019 Sep 2021 #29
"Isn't it time to get the Republicans off the backs of Pennsylvania voters?" NBachers Sep 2021 #30
Lawsuit now! Secret ballot anyone? ananda Sep 2021 #32
PA Attorney General (D) Josh Shapiro has finally weighed in BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #33
This means they will lose in 2024 by even more by pissing swing voters off. Jon King Sep 2021 #34
Ass wipes Republicans. Obama was right about Pa Republicans. Pepsidog Sep 2021 #35
All of this is a ruse to prevent US from delving into election fraud in 2016 and 2020 Mr. Ected Sep 2021 #40
every voter in PA. needs to file a law suit against the republican party ! monkeyman1 Sep 2021 #41
How is Rebl2 Sep 2021 #44
I don't see how this is even possible. JohnnyRingo Sep 2021 #45
A gross miscarriage of confidence in voting rights by Penn. voters. No judge should ever SWBTATTReg Sep 2021 #47
This insane overreach BlueIdaho Sep 2021 #49
How much is this shitshow going to cost the taxpayers? Wicked Blue Sep 2021 #53
These guys can't see the forest for the trees. thenelm1 Sep 2021 #54
What do they need SS numbers and DL numbers for? Hacking into our bank accounts? appleannie1 Sep 2021 #56
Before they ask. I use about 3 1/2 rolls of TP a week appleannie1 Sep 2021 #57
If you know a persons name, where they lived when they received their social security card, marie999 Sep 2021 #61
Regarding this -- BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #72
Stick it where the sun don't shine. malthaussen Sep 2021 #68
I assume the data will be handed to Republican voters dflprincess Sep 2021 #73
The same fucks who refuse vaccine because it plants chips that can follow you and get personal info Bengus81 Sep 2021 #74

SergeStorms

(19,199 posts)
36. And mailing lists.
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 03:19 PM
Sep 2021

As in, "solicitation of donations", and "selling to unaffiliated vendors" type mailing lists.

No one's information had better be used for either of those purposes.

brooklynite

(94,508 posts)
19. Voter lists and Party affiliations are a matter of public records.
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 02:05 PM
Sep 2021

I used to be a Party Committeeman in Philadelphia. You can walk into the local Board of Elections office and request a copy.

brooklynite

(94,508 posts)
22. Not sure that's true.
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 02:17 PM
Sep 2021

The request is not WHO they voted for, but the mechanics of the process (mail in/early/Election Day). As I recall, that's logged in the voter records.

BumRushDaShow

(128,894 posts)
26. A request for social security numbers should be nowhere in any subpoena
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 02:40 PM
Sep 2021

yet here we are and THAT is not "public record".

Deminpenn

(15,284 posts)
60. Agree
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 08:21 AM
Sep 2021

Especially true if the plan is give the info to some unknown vendor.

If I were a PA Dem running for office in a red area, I'd be jumping on this like a dog on a bone. Conservatives are already inclined to be suspicious of invasions of privacy. I'd be out with ads in a NY minute about how Rs are invading your privacy.

BumRushDaShow

(128,894 posts)
66. My congressman already sent out a fundraising email on this last night
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 08:38 AM
Sep 2021

And this is obviously one of the, if not the bluest district in the state, but is a reminder that we have to rally come election time next year and why.

PA GOP want your personal information


The Philadelphia Inquirer
​​"Pa. Republicans are set to subpoena documents and hire a contractor for their 2020 election review"


Pennsylvania Republicans want your driver's license number, date of birth, and other personal info as part of their "election investigation,"

This is a gross abuse of power, plain and simple.

The PA GOP is using the "Big Lie" to contract a sham investigator to look into Pennsylvania's 2020 election results that they believe are fraudulent. This hyper-partisan investigation could result in even more restrictive voting laws that suppress voters of color and circumvent our democracy.

It has been ten months since the 2020 election. President Biden won our state by more than 80,000 votes -- fair and square. Donald Trump is no longer president. Period.

There's so much facing our nation that's more pressing than re-litigating the results of a free and fair election -- the COVID-19 pandemic for one. I'm fighting back to make sure that the power rests with the people -- not with shady politicians and their corrupt agendas. This democracy depends on it.

Misinformation has consequences. We must fight for the truth. If you're with me in the fight to defend our democracy from the PA GOP's wasteful investigation and peddling of falsehoods, sign your name next to mine now.

Thank you,

Dwight


Dwight is an activist congressman, fighting for civil rights, economic opportunity, quality education, and safer neighborhoods. Block by block, he is working to revitalize neighborhoods across Pennsylvania. Chip in today to help power his campaign.

DONATE

Deminpenn

(15,284 posts)
59. Correct
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 08:16 AM
Sep 2021

The counties know who voted in person, provisional or absentee.

What's problematic is the partial SSN. The last 4 digits is used to verify identity for things like financial information or federal benefits.

gab13by13

(21,318 posts)
6. This should help them when they gerrymander.
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 01:31 PM
Sep 2021

I still want to know why our DOJ didn't get involved in Arizona and now it is happening in other states. Federal election laws are being broken.

SergeStorms

(19,199 posts)
37. On the bright side....
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 03:23 PM
Sep 2021

republicans are wasting a shitload of money on these exercises in futility.

You have to look for the silver lining, or it'll drive you stark, raving mad.

Deminpenn

(15,284 posts)
58. The party registration info has always been available
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 08:11 AM
Sep 2021

and was used by the Rs to create the heavily gerry-mandered congressional districts that were tossed out of the PA supreme court as well as the gerry-mandered state house and senate districts.

While it will be used in the upcoming redistricting process, the 5th vote of redistricting commission is held by former Pitt Chancellor Mark Nordenberg, making it less likely the extreme gerry-mandering of past decades will result. The PA supreme court decision should put effective constraints on the new congressional map. Also, the commission is holding open hearings and allowing public submissions of proposed maps.

LiberalArkie

(15,715 posts)
7. Someone is building a massive database.
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 01:31 PM
Sep 2021

If any party has that data, they can create a program to cast ballots in every ones name. In the south they use to use the newspaper obits to cast ballots. Now the states remove the names of the dead from the voter registration rolls.

bucolic_frolic

(43,139 posts)
9. A subpoena for everyone? Gotta be invalid invasion of privacy
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 01:32 PM
Sep 2021

They already have all the information in the voter database

BumRushDaShow

(128,894 posts)
10. That's why I called Corman a fucking loon
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 01:36 PM
Sep 2021

It's not just "lip service" to his nutty constituents.

At least Lt. Gov. Fetterman provided a handy explanation -




TEXT

John Fetterman
@JohnFetterman
Republican lawmakers may be the only people in the country who actually want to relive 2020. The election happened 10 months ago. Biden won. Get over it. Stop pissing away taxpayer money.
Andrew Seidman
@AndrewSeidman
Pennsylvania Republicans voted Wednesday to subpoena Gov. Tom Wolf’s administration for detailed records of every registered voter in the state, including personal information like the last four digits of their Social Security numbers.

https://inquirer.com/politics/pennsylvania/pennsylvania-republicans-subpoena-vote-2020-election-20210915.html
12:05 PM · Sep 15, 2021

Ford_Prefect

(7,892 posts)
11. This is a fishing expedition and intimidation under the Civil Rights Act.
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 01:36 PM
Sep 2021

For a judge to issue such a subpoena the prosecution would have to show probable cause and evidence to support. I think this won't fly in Penna Supreme Court.

It presumes there is cause to believe there is something wrong with how voters are registered and how that is handled during an election. They have ZERO evidence to suppose it. No witnesses either anonymous or otherwise have asserted such. There is no statistical variance to suggest it may have happened. No independent professionals have suggested they see problems with the election to warrant such a review. We only have the assertion of the GOP controlled Penna Senate that they believe this merits examination.

The Penna GOP lost repeatedly in court over this assertion. So rather than go through the courts they have bypassed legal means and gone to the purely political.

The DOJ has every cause to intervene on the part of voters in a federal election. I think someone at division of Civil Rights should be investigating and file a restraining order on behalf of minority voters at the very least.

getagrip_already

(14,732 posts)
23. A judge did not issue a subpoena....
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 02:18 PM
Sep 2021

The legislature has subpoena power, but it can be challenged (just like congressional subpoenas).

Ford_Prefect

(7,892 posts)
42. That is exactly my point. The subpoenas will not stand judicial review because they are not lawful.
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 04:10 PM
Sep 2021

The legislature has overstepped its authority and subverts the state constitution by so doing. It also violates federal protections as we have seen in the Arizona case.

thenelm1

(852 posts)
51. Any judge with a lick of sense should throw this out as a broad overreach of...
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 07:18 PM
Sep 2021

legislative power. The question becomes, of course, is how Trumpian is the PA judicial system?

Ford_Prefect

(7,892 posts)
55. The Penna GOP lost attempts to do so previously, I believe. Hence the legislative attempt
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 09:23 PM
Sep 2021

to bypass the courts on the way to the data.

ancianita

(36,030 posts)
12. Data collection by the authoritarian party. That doesn't bode well for individual PA voters.
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 01:38 PM
Sep 2021

Where is the PA law that says a majority in any statehouse can collect data on every state voter? While its pretext is oversight, that claim is really the constitutional challenge of states' rights vs the US Constitution, A1(privacy and anonymity of the vote) and A4 (no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause ).

BumRushDaShow

(128,894 posts)
13. Here's an excerpt of the Philly Inquirer article being referenced
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 01:45 PM
Sep 2021
Pa. Republicans vote to subpoena voter records and personal information in 2020 election probe

It’s the most concrete step the GOP-led legislature has taken to investigate the 2020 election since the top Senate Republican committed to undertaking a review Trump has long demanded.

by Andrew Seidman
Updated an hour ago

Pennsylvania Republicans voted Wednesday to subpoena Gov. Tom Wolf’s administration for detailed records of every registered voter in the state, including personal information like the last four digits of their Social Security numbers. It’s the most concrete step the GOP-led legislature has taken to investigate the 2020 election since the top Senate Republican committed last month to undertaking a review that former President Donald Trump has long demanded as part of his campaign to discredit the results. Democrats said they will challenge the subpoena in court, blasting the inquiry as a “fishing expedition” and raising concerns about sharing millions of voters’ personal information with an outside vendor that hasn’t yet been selected.

Republicans on the state Senate panel that wrote the subpoena said the documents they’re requesting would help show whether any fraud was committed in Pennsylvania, a state President Joe Biden won by more than 80,000 votes. “There have been questions regarding the validity of people... who have voted, whether or not they exist,” Sen. Cris Dush (R., Jefferson), the committee’s chairman, said during a contentious 75-minute hearing. “We’re not responding to proven allegations. We are investigating the allegations to determine whether or not they are factual.” If the investigation uncovers problems with the voter registration system, Dush said, the legislature has a responsibility to pass a bill to “prevent that from happening in future elections.”

State Sen. Steve Santarsiero (D., Bucks) responded: “There have been allegations about last year’s elections. I understand that. They’ve been proven to be without merit. Why do we now need this information?” There’s no evidence to support Trump’s baseless claims of election rigging, which were roundly rejected by courts and which fueled the Jan. 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol. County and state audits found no issue with the results in Pennsylvania. Democrats said only the executive branch — not the Senate — has the authority to conduct the kind of investigation Republicans are undertaking. State Sen. Anthony Williams (D., Philadelphia), the top Democrat on the committee, called the subpoena a “pure, unadulterated power grab” meant “to suppress voters’ rights.”

Dush said he’s in the process of interviewing contractors and will consult with Senate GOP lawyers to determine which materials will be shared with third parties. He said he’s also considering hiring outside counsel. The costs will be paid by taxpayers, out of the Senate’s budget, Dush said.The subpoena — to be issued to the Department of State, which oversees elections — seeks lists of all registered voters and nonpublic information such as driver’s license numbers and partial Social Security numbers, as well as publicly available records like dates of birth and addresses. It also requests information about whether voters cast ballots in person or by mail both last fall and in the May 2021 primary election; all changes to voter records between May 2020 and May 2021; communications between state and county elections officials during that same time period; guidance and directives regarding the administration of elections; and training materials for election workers.

https://www.inquirer.com/politics/pennsylvania/pennsylvania-republicans-subpoena-vote-2020-election-20210915.html


Here is a PDF of the document from the State Senate Committee of the requested info - https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/21062797/pennsylvania-senate-intergovernmental-operations-committee-document-list.pdf

Corman removed Mastriano and replaced him with Dush because Mastriano didn't "code talk" it right.

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
14. Again they are overreaching. And We Democrats are going to slap them down hard again.
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 01:50 PM
Sep 2021

AS many times as we have to.

These over reaches are just making independents more apt to vote against the Qanoner's in 2022.

And making SURE the Democratic base is angry enough to turn out in droves.

Gerrymandering or not, turn out and support from Independents are the keys to ANY election.

BumRushDaShow

(128,894 posts)
15. Here is Gov. Wolf's (D) viceral remark --
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 01:51 PM
Sep 2021



TEXT

Governor Tom Wolf
@GovernorTomWolf
It's shameful how far Republicans will go to entertain conspiracy theories and undermine election security.

This is another reckless use of taxpayer money to perpetuate a lie and it must stop.

I will continue to fight any effort to destabilize our election system.
KDKA
@KDKA
ELECTION AUDIT: Pennsylvania Republicans are planning to subpoena records that detail who voted, driver's license numbers, Social Security numbers, and if someone voted by mail or in-person in regard to the 2020 election. https://cbsloc.al/3CcRMuP
10:56 AM · Sep 15, 2021


The somewhat "nonchalant" responses from the Governor and Lt. Governor suggest someone is "on it".

BumRushDaShow

(128,894 posts)
70. I had posted Fetterman's initial remark upthread
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 10:44 AM
Sep 2021
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=2800504




TEXT

John Fetterman
@JohnFetterman
Republican lawmakers may be the only people in the country who actually want to relive 2020. The election happened 10 months ago. Biden won. Get over it. Stop pissing away taxpayer money.
Andrew Seidman
@AndrewSeidman
Pennsylvania Republicans voted Wednesday to subpoena Gov. Tom Wolf’s administration for detailed records of every registered voter in the state, including personal information like the last four digits of their Social Security numbers.

https://inquirer.com/politics/pennsylvania/pennsylvania-republicans-subpoena-vote-2020-election-20210915.html
12:05 PM · Sep 15, 2021


He hasn't posted anything about it since (so far) but did pin that tweet.

In fact, they all went "radio silent" which suggests to me case-filing/litigation is underway (plus today many are observing Yom Kippur).

Midnight Writer

(21,751 posts)
17. If Democrats cannot make hay out of this...
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 01:55 PM
Sep 2021

Big government releasing personal info on individual voters?

This is the kind of thing that should be terrifying to conservative voters.



hadEnuf

(2,188 posts)
50. Conservatives are not terrified of what they have wanted to do to the American voter for decades.
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 07:05 PM
Sep 2021

All of their big government crap has been a decades-long ruse.

hadEnuf

(2,188 posts)
67. Seriously? They are doing stuff like that right in front of our faces.
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:31 AM
Sep 2021

And they have been every time they have been in power. They just don't want information about themselves collected. Everyone else is fair game.

Deminpenn

(15,284 posts)
64. Exactly!
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 08:29 AM
Sep 2021

PA Dems need to jump on this right away to frame the issue just as you describe it. Conservatives will go nuts.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
18. Both political parties have data files on virtually all of us, certainly on voters,
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 01:57 PM
Sep 2021

of course. Private companies compile and sell them to the parties. Part of the $Bs costs of electing a president, achieving congressional majorities, or getting control of a state government.

It probably could be useful to the GOP to know such things as who in a particularly key district voted early or at the last moment, who acted to restore a canceled registration and who didn't. Etc.

BumRushDaShow

(128,894 posts)
27. Except the subpoena is asking for this-- LAST 4 DIGITS OF ALL SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 02:50 PM
Sep 2021

from the Inquirer article (PDF) - https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/21062797/pennsylvania-senate-intergovernmental-operations-committee-document-list.pdf

1) Any and all communications (emails, letters, notes of calls and/or meetings, or otherwise) from the Department of State to any County Election Director or member of a County’s Elections Board between May 1, 2020 and May 31, 2021.

2) A copy of each and every version of all directives, guidance(s), policies, or procedures in effect at any time between August 1, 2020 and June 30, 2021 relating to elections, election systems, mail-in ballot applications, ballots, voting, compliance with state or federal election laws, polling places, and/or poll watchers.

3) All training materials used to train County election workers, poll workers, poll watchers, Judges of Election, inspectors, clerks, and all persons who staffed voting offices between August 1, 2020 and May 31, 2021.

4) A complete list containing the name, date of birth, driver’s license number, last four digits of social security number, address, and date of last voting activity of all registered voters within the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania as of May 1, 2021, by County.

5) A complete list containing the name, date of birth, driver’s license number, last four digits of social security number, address, and date of last voting activity of all registered voters within the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania as of November 1, 2020, by County.

6) A complete list containing the name, date of birth, driver’s license number, last four digits of social security number, and address of all individuals who voted in person in the November 2020 General Election, by County.

7) A complete list containing the name, date of birth, driver’s license number, last four digits of social security number, and address of all individuals who voted by mail-in ballot in the November 2020 General Election, by County.

8) A complete list containing the name, date of birth, driver’s license number, last four digits of social security number, and address of all individuals who voted by absentee ballot in the November 2020 General Election, by County.

9) A complete list containing the name, date of birth, driver’s license number, last four digits of social security number, and address of all individuals who voted by provisional in the November 2020 General Election, by County.

10) A complete list containing the name, date of birth, driver’s license number, last four digits of social security number, and address of all individuals who voted in person in the May 2021 Primary Election, by County.

11) A complete list containing the name, date of birth, driver’s license number, last four digits of social security number, and address of all individuals who voted by mail-in ballot in the May 2021 Primary Election, by County.

12) A complete list containing the name, date of birth, driver’s license number, last four digits of social security number, and address of all individuals who voted by absentee ballot in the May 2021 Primary Election, by County.

13) A complete list containing the name, date of birth, driver’s license number, last four digits of social security number, and address of all individuals who voted by provisional in the May 2021 Primary Election, by County.


14) A complete list of all changes to voter records made between May 31, 2020 and May 31, 2021.

15) A copy of the certified results for each and every race and/or ballot question on the 2020 General or 2021 Primary elections.

16) A copy of all reports of audits and/or reviews of the SURE system conducted by or for the Department of State between 2018 and the present, including, but not limited to, any audits conducted under 25 Pa.C.S. 1803(a).

17) A copy of the annual reports submitted to the Department in 2021 pursuant to 4 Pa. Code 183.17.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
31. Oh definitely yes, that and "etc" are significant little additions.
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 03:01 PM
Sep 2021

I think. Not actually too sure what the GOP already has.

But how nice to have all those data are requested already collected in lists to facilitate plotting how best to subvert elections.

Harker

(14,014 posts)
21. The party of "small government" advocates who squawk about
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 02:11 PM
Sep 2021

there being a micro chip in vaccine injections think this is great!

BumRushDaShow

(128,894 posts)
25. Marc Elias has this on his radar now
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 02:32 PM
Sep 2021



TEXT

Marc E. Elias
@marceelias
My team @EliasLawGroup is litigating 27 cases in 14 states to protect voting rights and ensure fair districts.

Arizona
Arkansas
Florida
Georgia
Iowa
Kansas
Louisiana
Michigan
Montana
New York
North Carolina
Pennsylvania
Texas
Wisconsin

The fight for democracy continues.
2:18 PM · Sep 15, 2021





TEXT

Marc E. Elias
@marceelias
Protecting voting rights and free and democracy is the single biggest issue facing the country today. Period.
Republicans in Pennsylvania, which President Biden won by more than 80,000 votes, have sought to cast doubt on the election’s outcome.
Republicans seek Pennsylvania voters’ personal information as they try to review the 2020 results.
G.O.P. lawmakers approved subpoenas seeking license and partial Social Security numbers for every voter. Democrats questioned whether the move was even legal.
nytimes.com
2:09 PM · Sep 15, 2021

Smackdown2019

(1,186 posts)
28. Last 4 digits of SS numbers?
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 02:50 PM
Sep 2021

WTF?

Social Security numbers are ONLY for Social Security purposes! Employment....

So, what in the world does Social Security numbers have to do with VOTING?

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
43. They'll probably analyze those SSN numbers to see if they comport with Benford's Law...
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 04:37 PM
Sep 2021

They'll probably analyze those SSN numbers to see if they comport with Benford's Law...


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benford%27s_law

Benford's law, also called the Newcomb–Benford law, the law of anomalous numbers, or the first-digit law, is an observation about the frequency distribution of leading digits in many real-life sets of numerical data. The law states that in many naturally occurring collections of numbers, the leading digit is likely to be small.[1] In sets that obey the law, the number 1 appears as the leading significant digit about 30 % of the time, while 9 appears as the leading significant digit less than 5 % of the time. If the digits were distributed uniformly, they would each occur about 11.1 % of the time.[2] Benford's law also makes predictions about the distribution of second digits, third digits, digit combinations, and so on.

Smackdown2019

(1,186 posts)
46. Social security numbers have nothing to
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 05:30 PM
Sep 2021

SS # has nothing to do with voting. Birth certificates maybe or Real ID maybe to show proof of citizenship, but SS # is for employment or retirement. Not the election judge.

Deminpenn

(15,284 posts)
62. Nothing
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 08:26 AM
Sep 2021

but connecting the last 4 digits with other information can produce a unique identifier. That's what you need if you are going to match database records. My guess is that's why the Rs want it.

For ex, deminpenn0987 would distinguish me from deminpenn0988.

BumRushDaShow

(128,894 posts)
33. PA Attorney General (D) Josh Shapiro has finally weighed in
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 03:07 PM
Sep 2021



TEXT

Josh Shapiro
@JoshShapiroPA
·
Sep 15, 2021
This “audit” is BS.

It is a sham — and it’s all for Donald Trump.

Republicans are issuing subpoenas for information they already have, just to prove to him they’ll go to literally any length for his illegitimate fight to overturn our election.

But their theatre is dangerous.
Josh Shapiro
@JoshShapiroPA
They want your private information — your social security number — to pass on to mysterious third party contractors.

To add insult to injury, they want you to pay for it.

Let me be clear: they aren’t getting your private information without going through me.
1:46 PM · Sep 15, 2021




(hopefully to be our next Governor)

Jon King

(1,910 posts)
34. This means they will lose in 2024 by even more by pissing swing voters off.
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 03:08 PM
Sep 2021

This just means Repugs will lose in Senate race and Presidential races in PA. They can not pass voter suppression laws with a Dem governor though. So its all a waste and will result in them losing in 2024 by even more.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
40. All of this is a ruse to prevent US from delving into election fraud in 2016 and 2020
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 04:05 PM
Sep 2021

All this pomp and circumstance is obviously not based on the merits of the election. Like everything else they do, the GOP is projecting their crimes on Democrats in order to politicize any investigation we may have into their veritable corruption.

 

monkeyman1

(5,109 posts)
41. every voter in PA. needs to file a law suit against the republican party !
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 04:09 PM
Sep 2021

time to quit jacking around with republican taliban party ! get their ring leader in jail ! we all know who that is ?

Rebl2

(13,494 posts)
44. How is
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 05:03 PM
Sep 2021

this even legal! They have no right to see how you voted or ask for s.s.# and I don’t care if it’s just the last 4 numbers, nor do they need your drivers license#.

JohnnyRingo

(18,628 posts)
45. I don't see how this is even possible.
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 05:11 PM
Sep 2021

The data dump has limits, even these days, and the amount of info they seek is staggering, not to mention privacy issues. It's not like one or two workers push a button and get a statewide printout for these sore losers.

Speaker Pelosi could subpoena the voting records of every republican in the country for the past 10 years just to cause a fit.

SWBTATTReg

(22,114 posts)
47. A gross miscarriage of confidence in voting rights by Penn. voters. No judge should ever
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 05:41 PM
Sep 2021

allow this to proceed.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
49. This insane overreach
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 06:42 PM
Sep 2021

Should not stand up in a court of law for more than five minutes. It certainly won’t stand up in the court of public opinion. The GQP’s desperation has blinded them to the ironic hypocrisy of their actions. The party of “small government” is about to show just how much they love the absolute power of a dictatorship over its people.

Wicked Blue

(5,831 posts)
53. How much is this shitshow going to cost the taxpayers?
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 07:24 PM
Sep 2021

If the repigs want this, they HAVE TO PAY FOR IT UP FRONT

thenelm1

(852 posts)
54. These guys can't see the forest for the trees.
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 07:54 PM
Sep 2021

I would agree that this is an egregious overreach of legislative power, but on the other hand I'm rather amused by these continued acts of desperation by the GQP. They are literally burning their own bridges with this continued nutso krap. If there is a such thing as karma, they are literally digging their own graves for their political futures. Very richly earned and deserved, and if there is truly any justice, relegating themselves to the scrap heap of history where they truly belong. And hopefully not just in PA either.

The self-righteousness and belief that they are the sole answer to what ails us, mostly about non-existent BS issues, and the continued digging of the hole deeper into the nonsense, versus trying to adjust the message to appeal to more voters is truly mind boggling. They will always have their hardcore believers, but alienating everyone else? Even people who previously voted for them? If somehow they are successful we are truly lost.

appleannie1

(5,067 posts)
56. What do they need SS numbers and DL numbers for? Hacking into our bank accounts?
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 10:44 PM
Sep 2021

Most of that is not only personal info, it is against PA law.

 

marie999

(3,334 posts)
61. If you know a persons name, where they lived when they received their social security card,
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 08:25 AM
Sep 2021

and the last 4 of their social security number, you have a good chance of figuring out the whole number unless how they are issued is different than it was when I received mine. A friend of mine got hers when I got mine. The only difference was my last 4 were 1 number lower than hers. We check with friends in the town and we all had the same first 5 numbers.

BumRushDaShow

(128,894 posts)
72. Regarding this --
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 06:42 PM
Sep 2021
We check with friends in the town and we all had the same first 5 numbers.


That's because the numbers were originally assigned by areas and groups - https://www.ssa.gov/employer/stateweb.htm

Now it is supposedly "randomized" (as of 2011) - https://www.ssa.gov/employer/randomization.html

dflprincess

(28,075 posts)
73. I assume the data will be handed to Republican voters
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 10:48 PM
Sep 2021

so they can take the Democratic voters' information & use their names to cast a second ballot.

They will have, at last, found the voter fraud they keep whining about.

Bengus81

(6,931 posts)
74. The same fucks who refuse vaccine because it plants chips that can follow you and get personal info
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 11:05 AM
Sep 2021

Sounds about right for that crowd..........

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