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Zorro

(15,722 posts)
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 09:25 PM Sep 2021

Durham Is Said to Seek Indictment of Lawyer at Firm With Democratic Ties

Source: New York Times

The lawyer, Michael Sussmann, is accused of lying to the F.B.I. in a 2016 meeting about Trump and Russia. He denies wrongdoing.

WASHINGTON — John H. Durham, the special counsel appointed by the Trump administration to scrutinize the Russia investigation, has told the Justice Department that he will ask a grand jury to indict a prominent cybersecurity lawyer on a charge of making a false statement to the F.B.I., people familiar with the matter said.

Any indictment of the lawyer — Michael Sussmann, a former federal prosecutor and now a partner at the Perkins Coie law firm, and who represented the Democratic National Committee on issues related to Russia’s 2016 hacking of its servers — is likely to attract significant political attention.

Donald J. Trump and his supporters have long accused Democrats and Perkins Coie — whose political law group, a division separate from Mr. Sussmann’s, represented the party and the Hillary Clinton campaign — of seeking to stoke unfair suspicions about Mr. Trump’s purported ties to Russia.

The case against Mr. Sussmann centers on the question of who his client was when he conveyed certain suspicions about Mr. Trump and Russia to the F.B.I. in September 2016. Among other things, investigators have examined whether Mr. Sussmann was secretly working for the Clinton campaign — which he denies.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/15/us/politics/durham-michael-sussmann-trump-russia.html

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Durham Is Said to Seek Indictment of Lawyer at Firm With Democratic Ties (Original Post) Zorro Sep 2021 OP
rachel is talking to herself about this. some day she may actually get to the point nt msongs Sep 2021 #1
I thought the same thing..on and on and on Alien Life Form Sep 2021 #6
It's why I had to give up watching her. I know "different stokes" and I respect that. Comfortably_Numb Sep 2021 #8
She could do her show in 30 minutes, with commercials, I agree, I can't watch either. dem4decades Sep 2021 #16
It is so frustrating PatSeg Sep 2021 #37
You nailed it... press skip and STILL land on the same word/phrase, repeat and same thing. Comfortably_Numb Sep 2021 #38
Yeah, as if I'd accidentally hit rewind PatSeg Sep 2021 #40
I can't believe we have had this convo without the "turn the channel", etc flames. Comfortably_Numb Sep 2021 #41
Oh my, I feel like I'm talking to myself PatSeg Sep 2021 #42
I feel the same. 30 plus years teaching in a university classroom, and I can assure you, if I tried Comfortably_Numb Sep 2021 #43
Yes, the attention span of young people PatSeg Sep 2021 #45
Ditto. Everything you said. Inappropriate laughter is just that-inappropriate. Comfortably_Numb Sep 2021 #46
We made it this far and not one "turn the channel" flame! PatSeg Sep 2021 #47
Someone Corgigal Sep 2021 #2
Why are trump hold overs like Durham still in the DOJ? JohnSJ Sep 2021 #3
My 1st thought! SheltieLover Sep 2021 #4
I think it's because he's a special counsel AZSkiffyGeek Sep 2021 #5
So. Garland could let him go. This is a fishing exhibition seeking an indictment for allegedly JohnSJ Sep 2021 #11
hell , the whole damn republican taliban lie , how can ya's tell the difference ! monkeyman1 Sep 2021 #21
here are statutes covering removal Celerity Sep 2021 #25
I believe conflict of interest would do it, not to mention unprofessional behavior. Ford_Prefect Sep 2021 #27
WHY IS THIS BIILY BARR POS STILL AROUND ? monkeyman1 Sep 2021 #28
Because they need cause. I suspect a conflict of interest with Durham, and his connections to JohnSJ Sep 2021 #29
Why does the MSM still cover their antics? And why do we post about them? nt joetheman Sep 2021 #14
Ask The NY Times. Even the headline the times decided to use wants to imply Clinton involvement JohnSJ Sep 2021 #17
What the hell are all of these Trump people still doing in office. onecaliberal Sep 2021 #7
Very disappointed in Garland for not cleaning house JohnSJ Sep 2021 #13
We cannot allow them to be left behind. They're just waiting onecaliberal Sep 2021 #22
why ! monkeyman1 Sep 2021 #30
I am not a lawyer, I am watching our republic slowly going down the drain. JohnSJ Sep 2021 #31
that answer doesn't even deserve a reply ! monkeyman1 Sep 2021 #32
Lol, you just did JohnSJ Sep 2021 #34
shit !!! monkeyman1 Sep 2021 #35
.............................. JohnSJ Sep 2021 #36
Why are Trump tools still in office? Dawson Leery Sep 2021 #9
Based on the information released so far, gab13by13 Sep 2021 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Sep 2021 #12
So much that. 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻 onecaliberal Sep 2021 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Sep 2021 #24
: onecaliberal Sep 2021 #26
Statute of Limitations for this case BlueIdaho Sep 2021 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Sep 2021 #18
Yes, and why Garland should have let him go when he came on board JohnSJ Sep 2021 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Sep 2021 #20
Durham is a career DOJ prosecutor. former9thward Sep 2021 #33
The thing is, gab13by13 Sep 2021 #39
This is the great unanswered question BlueIdaho Sep 2021 #44
Jackass trying to justify his existence Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2021 #48
Attorney indicted on charge of lying to FBI as part of Durham investigation Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2021 #49

Comfortably_Numb

(3,789 posts)
8. It's why I had to give up watching her. I know "different stokes" and I respect that.
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 09:36 PM
Sep 2021

I just cannot listen to the same ol’ phrase or fact repeated 19 times in a soliloquy.

PatSeg

(47,239 posts)
37. It is so frustrating
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 03:35 AM
Sep 2021

I rarely watch her anymore. She literally repeats the same phrases over and over again. I have actually skipped forward numerous times while watching her and it still feels like it takes forever. I start to long for a commercial.

PatSeg

(47,239 posts)
40. Yeah, as if I'd accidentally hit rewind
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:00 AM
Sep 2021

Too often it feels like she uses a lot of filler words to expand a five or ten minute segment into 20 or 30 minutes. I lead a fairly dull life, but I really do have better things to do than listen to the same thing repeated over and over again. Plus it insults my intelligence.

Comfortably_Numb

(3,789 posts)
41. I can't believe we have had this convo without the "turn the channel", etc flames.
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:10 AM
Sep 2021

The shame is she does tackle stories that interest me, but then the repetition overwhelms me. I played a “count the number of times she says the same thing” out loud and my wife was even amazed at how high the count went….it’s like “how to use 11 minutes of original content to fill a 21 minute block.” Sorry, not sorry.

PatSeg

(47,239 posts)
42. Oh my, I feel like I'm talking to myself
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 10:42 AM
Sep 2021

If it had been just once and awhile, I wouldn't have paid that much attention, but more and more it was happening pretty much every night.

I agree, there have been stories I was and still am interested in, but 20 to 30 minutes of meandering and repetition is just too much. This sort of approach probably works very well in a high school or college classroom, but not on a news show. It is also commonly used on news magazine shows like Dateline, where they stretch a 30 minute story into one hour.

As for the "turn the channel" folks, obviously that is what we are doing. Still I feel like it is a loss, as there was a time when I really enjoyed Rachel's show, a time when there was less repetition, giggling, and animated hand gestures. Sometimes, I really want a professional, polished delivery, plus some actual news. The rest of the time, I can watch Stephen Colbert or Seth Meyers.

Comfortably_Numb

(3,789 posts)
43. I feel the same. 30 plus years teaching in a university classroom, and I can assure you, if I tried
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 11:04 AM
Sep 2021

that “repetition” style I would have lost most of those folks within minutes. I always try to make the point one time clearly, and then maybe BRIEFLY touch on it for context through the class. And you called it, the giggling and histrionics are insufferable. It’s Chris Hayes, Brianna Keiler, and Nicole Wallace for me. It doesn’t matter how important your topic, if your delivery alienates your listeners.

PatSeg

(47,239 posts)
45. Yes, the attention span of young people
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 12:22 PM
Sep 2021

is a fleeting thing. I can imagine it can be hard to hold it for very long.

I believe it is important that a journalist or host's appearance and delivery should not distract from what they are actually saying. Not only is the giggling unprofessional, I've found it is often at the most inappropriate times. The first time it jumped out at me was election night 2016, when the networks were about to call the election for Trump. Rachel laughed and at that moment I thought I might not be able to watch her again. I later forgave her, thinking it was just a nervous laugh, but still a little more self control on such an important occasion is not too much to ask of such a highly regarded news host. The viewers were devastated, many in tears. It was no time for laughter.

Over time, I found her doing it more and more, as if she was hosting a late night talk show, not a news show. I don't watch MSNBC to be entertained, I watch it to be informed.

I watch less cable news these days, but I usually try to catch Brian Williams. His delivery is practically flawless, his occasional dry wit priceless, and he never waves his arms about or giggles. Sometimes I watch Chris Hayes or Lawrence O'Donnell and if it is daytime, no one tops Nicole Wallace.

Corgigal

(9,291 posts)
2. Someone
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 09:31 PM
Sep 2021

wants to keep the Federal money vein open.

Just tell him to stop. We have hurricane and fire storm victims to assist.

JohnSJ

(92,060 posts)
11. So. Garland could let him go. This is a fishing exhibition seeking an indictment for allegedly
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 09:45 PM
Sep 2021

Lying to the FBI

It is a gift o conspiracy kooks to imply Clinton was somehow involved in falsely accusing trump of Russian connections




Celerity

(43,068 posts)
25. here are statutes covering removal
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 10:37 PM
Sep 2021
https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-28/chapter-VI/part-600

The Special Counsel may be disciplined or removed from office only by the personal action of the Attorney General. The Attorney General may remove a Special Counsel for misconduct, dereliction of duty, incapacity, conflict of interest, or for other good cause, including violation of Departmental policies. The Attorney General shall inform the Special Counsel in writing of the specific reason for his or her removal.

Ford_Prefect

(7,868 posts)
27. I believe conflict of interest would do it, not to mention unprofessional behavior.
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 10:50 PM
Sep 2021

False accusation and misrepresenting evidence is quite unprofessional enough.

Or the old favorite "he fell down a flight of stairs" could work... Sauce for the gander too, they say. Incapacitated by serious injury works for me. Durham is a nasty piece of work: a hammer in search of a nail. I imagine that his email and phone logs would make for very interesting reading.

JohnSJ

(92,060 posts)
29. Because they need cause. I suspect a conflict of interest with Durham, and his connections to
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 11:33 PM
Sep 2021

the previous administration

That he filed this two days before the statue of limitations expires is suspicious indeed, and implies he wants to keep this going indefinitely

JohnSJ

(92,060 posts)
17. Ask The NY Times. Even the headline the times decided to use wants to imply Clinton involvement
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 10:12 PM
Sep 2021

without any evidence

They did so well with the email lie, er, story


onecaliberal

(32,774 posts)
7. What the hell are all of these Trump people still doing in office.
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 09:36 PM
Sep 2021

Self inflicted nothing-burger as usual.

 

monkeyman1

(5,109 posts)
30. why !
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 11:44 PM
Sep 2021

would you like to be thrown in this mess & this short of time make a judgement call like this ! just short of nine month's & this mess billy barr left for the D.O.J. ! nobody is a damn miracle worker . give the man a break & back him . Jeeze , arm chair lawyers!

gab13by13

(21,234 posts)
10. Based on the information released so far,
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 09:42 PM
Sep 2021

this is a big nothingburger. Merrick Garland had the authority to dismiss this, but declined.

Based on what Barbara McQuade on Rachel said.

Response to Zorro (Original post)

Response to onecaliberal (Reply #23)

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
15. Statute of Limitations for this case
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 10:04 PM
Sep 2021

Runs out this weekend. This is a Hail Mary attempt to file something… anything… before that Bozo Durham loses his Special Council standing.

Response to BlueIdaho (Reply #15)

Response to JohnSJ (Reply #19)

former9thward

(31,925 posts)
33. Durham is a career DOJ prosecutor.
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 01:04 AM
Sep 2021

He has been there for 38 years. He is not going anywhere until he decides to go. The AG does not have the power to "let go" career employees.

gab13by13

(21,234 posts)
39. The thing is,
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 06:34 AM
Sep 2021

no attention is being paid to why Putin's bank was apparently communicating with Trump Tower?

So what if Hillary was the client, what difference does that make? I want to know about Trump's server.

Democrats are terrible at controlling the narrative.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
44. This is the great unanswered question
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 11:47 AM
Sep 2021

While everyone is distracted by the bright shiny object, the Trump/Putin/AlfaBank connection gets swept under the carpet.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,710 posts)
48. Jackass trying to justify his existence
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 01:06 PM
Sep 2021

He'll spend a lot of money and won't get a conviction.

Oh and BTW Durham, your goatee looks like a patch of pubic hair.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,710 posts)
49. Attorney indicted on charge of lying to FBI as part of Durham investigation
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 07:33 PM
Sep 2021

A federal grand jury on Thursday indicted attorney Michael Sussman on a charge of lying to the FBI during the 2016 campaign, marking the second prosecution brought by John Durham, the special counsel tapped by former President Trump to investigate the FBI's probe into Russian interference.

The indictment alleges that Sussman, an attorney at the firm Perkins Coie with ties to the Democratic Party, misrepresented who he was working for when he presented evidence to the FBI in 2016 of a link between the Trump Organization and the Russian financial company Alfa Bank.

-snip-

Two attorneys representing Sussman did not immediately respond when asked for comment, but issued a statement earlier Thursday in anticipation of the indictment.

"Michael Sussmann is a highly respected national security and cyber security lawyer, who served the U.S. Department of Justice during Democratic and Republican administrations alike," attorney Michael Bosworth and Sean Berkowitz said in the statement. "Mr. Sussmann has committed no crime. Any prosecution here would be baseless, unprecedented, and an unwarranted deviation from the apolitical and principled way in which the Department of Justice is supposed to do its work. We are confident that if Mr. Sussmann is charged, he will prevail at trial and vindicate his good name."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/attorney-indicted-on-charge-of-lying-to-fbi-as-part-of-durham-investigation/ar-AAOwzvd

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