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Violet_Crumble

(35,956 posts)
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 03:28 AM Sep 2021

Biden Announces Defense Deal With Australia in a Bid to Counter China

Source: NY Times

WASHINGTON — The Biden administration took a major step on Wednesday in challenging China’s broad territorial claims in the Pacific, announcing that the United States and Britain would help Australia to deploy nuclear-powered submarines, adding to the Western presence in the region.

If the plan comes to fruition, Australia may begin conducting routine patrols that could move through areas of the South China Sea that Beijing claims as its exclusive zone and range as far north as Taiwan. The announcement, made by President Biden, Prime Minister Boris Johnson of Britain and Prime Minister Scott Morrison of Australia, is a major step for Australia, which until recent years has been hesitant to push back directly at core Chinese interests.

Australia has felt increasingly threatened, however, and three years ago was among the first nations to ban Huawei, the Chinese telecommunications giant, from its networks. Now, with the prospect of deploying a new submarine fleet, Australia would become a far more muscular player in the American-led alliance in the Pacific. The vessels are equipped with nuclear propulsion systems that offer limitless range and run so quietly that they are hard to detect. For Mr. Johnson, the new defense arrangement would bolster his effort to develop a “Global Britain” strategy that focuses on the Pacific, the next step after Brexit took the country out of the European Union.

“This is about investing in our greatest source of strength, our alliances, and updating them to better meet the threats of today and tomorrow,” Mr. Biden said in the East Room, flanked by two televisions showing the British and Australian leaders at their remote press briefings. “It’s about connecting America’s existing allies and partners in new ways.”

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/09/15/us/political-news#biden-australia-britain-china



Here's a link to the thread that was locked earlier https://democraticunderground.com/10142800659
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Biden Announces Defense Deal With Australia in a Bid to Counter China (Original Post) Violet_Crumble Sep 2021 OP
The future is not predictable Tetrachloride Sep 2021 #1
China must be shaking in her boots. Blah world Sep 2021 #8
I don't get the bit about the flip flops, care to explain? Are they French flip flops? marble falls Sep 2021 #9
Made in china Blah world Sep 2021 #10
French submarines are assembled of Chnese parts? I did not know that. So the Chinese ... marble falls Sep 2021 #11
Anyone know the costings? Blah world Sep 2021 #12
I would think flip flops might be cheaper than even a French submarine. So what's with the ... marble falls Sep 2021 #13
Whole lot of quaking Blah world Sep 2021 #18
And the submarines, right? marble falls Sep 2021 #19
Australia was far more involved in WWII than most Americans realize bucolic_frolic Sep 2021 #2
Australia's role in Europe was minor compared to what the did in the Southwest Pacific GregariousGroundhog Sep 2021 #3
Military history of Australia during World War II bucolic_frolic Sep 2021 #4
Also in Vietnam. MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2021 #5
The Aussies were freaking Vikings. And the RoKs were absolutely hard ass scary to Victor Charlie. marble falls Sep 2021 #14
Charlie and Mr. Charles greatly feared the RoK's, MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2021 #15
You might enjoy this Australian movie set in Vietnam oioioi Sep 2021 #16
Thanks for this. MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2021 #17
Australia previously had a deal with France on submarines. Steelrolled Sep 2021 #6
More power to the QUAD+ BlueWavePsych Sep 2021 #7
Under pressure Blah world Sep 2021 #20
Hope you're enjoying your stay ... StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #21
Let's be honest Blah world Sep 2021 #22
Which would be a good thing, right? nt MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2021 #29
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2021 #31
You mean like Pine Gap? n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2021 #32
Damn!!!! MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2021 #41
I think he's the one we thought was a returnee. discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2021 #42
That was iteration four. marble falls Sep 2021 #43
Like what, for example? C'mon, what's your real concern? marble falls Sep 2021 #33
U.S. imperialism, my ass. ShazzieB Sep 2021 #23
France is furious Blah world Sep 2021 #24
If France doesn't like who Australia is buying submarines from, they can take it up with Australia ShazzieB Sep 2021 #25
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2021 #26
No, they didn't. ShazzieB Sep 2021 #27
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2021 #28
What is your continuing problem with China and Australia, what is your real concern about? marble falls Sep 2021 #34
I have no idea. ShazzieB Sep 2021 #38
Oh lord. nt MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2021 #30
First of all. The French were building diesel boats. The Aussies decided they wanted nuclear ... marble falls Sep 2021 #35
News source from China, or just a troll from China. ShazzieB Sep 2021 #39
I don't want be hasty ... buuuuut if it quacks like a duck. marble falls Sep 2021 #40
Oh yeah they totally exist Sapient Donkey Sep 2021 #44
Money spent to counter the global imperialist aspirations of China is money well spent Devil Child Sep 2021 #37
Excellent news! Devil Child Sep 2021 #36

marble falls

(57,015 posts)
11. French submarines are assembled of Chnese parts? I did not know that. So the Chinese ...
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 07:38 PM
Sep 2021

... are pissed because Australia won't buy French Submarines built of Chinese made parts.

So explain the flip flops, please.

But more importantly: the Australians once again made a very clear statement re: weapons - NO NUKES!

marble falls

(57,015 posts)
13. I would think flip flops might be cheaper than even a French submarine. So what's with the ...
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 07:48 PM
Sep 2021

... flip flops???

bucolic_frolic

(43,066 posts)
2. Australia was far more involved in WWII than most Americans realize
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 07:10 AM
Sep 2021

They entered earlier when Britain was attacked and declared war, they fought in Europe against Italy and Nazi Germany, and they fought the Japanese. Gen. Douglas MacArthur commanded the southeast Asian theatre from our base in Australia. So this is a really big deal that we are mutually supporting UK and Australia in modern times.

GregariousGroundhog

(7,515 posts)
3. Australia's role in Europe was minor compared to what the did in the Southwest Pacific
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 12:30 PM
Sep 2021

Australia's main goal at the start of the war was to defend Malaya and Singapore, which they were not able to do. Australia was able to bog down the Japanese in their invasion of New Guinea and eventually repel them with U.S. help. They also led the campaign to free Borneo from Japanese control.

In addition to their military contributions, Australia also offered significant industrial contributions. They provided large amounts of food, clothing, and construction materials to allied forces in the Southwest Pacific. MacArthur at one point specifically asked Australia to limit the size of their military so that they could maintain and/or expand the amount of materiel they could provide.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,265 posts)
15. Charlie and Mr. Charles greatly feared the RoK's,
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 08:01 PM
Sep 2021

and with good reason, those RoK's were on par with the VC and NVA in jungle fighting, if not better.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,265 posts)
17. Thanks for this.
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 08:10 PM
Sep 2021

I'm heading off to get some chow, then I'll head back to my truck and watch it, it looks very interesting.

 

Steelrolled

(2,022 posts)
6. Australia previously had a deal with France on submarines.
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 05:22 PM
Sep 2021

Australia has let France know they will no longer be needing France's services. France is not happy and of course is blaming Biden. Biden gives the French shrug.

 

Blah world

(11 posts)
20. Under pressure
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 10:55 PM
Sep 2021

from US imperialism, the Australian government has just cancelled its contract with the French government to build twelve nuclear submarines. the subs are now American built. A scenario for advanced war preparations and the breakup of NATO. France, which hailed Biden, is now howling a betrayal.

Not sure what costing as the diverity in media wont tell you this, but I have heard $100 billion +. A big FY to small business that are dying and need govt help and to public health, research for the next pandemic, climate change action and education for the next generation

Response to MarineCombatEngineer (Reply #29)

ShazzieB

(16,291 posts)
23. U.S. imperialism, my ass.
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 11:52 PM
Sep 2021

Australia is perfectly capable of deciding who they want to buy submarines, or anything else, from. That country is a staunch ally of the U.S., and vice versa. So are the other members of the Quadrilateral Security Dialogue, Quad for short. (Australia and Japan are U.S. treaty allies, and India is an important strategic partner.)

China's not a fan, but that's because they (like most of the world) see the Quad as a response to increased Chinese economic and military power (power which China would of course prefer to be able to wield free of any challenges).

Here are some links if anyone would like to read up on the Quad. I know Blah world isn't interested since they're obviously here to attack it, but maybe someone else will benefit.

https://www.csis.org/analysis/defining-diamond-past-present-and-future-quadrilateral-security-dialogue
https://www.cfr.org/in-brief/quad-indo-pacific-what-know
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadrilateral_Security_Dialogue

Response to ShazzieB (Reply #25)

Response to ShazzieB (Reply #27)

ShazzieB

(16,291 posts)
38. I have no idea.
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 02:04 PM
Sep 2021

I'm not Australian, never been there, don't follow Australian politics. I couldn't even begin to guess why the Australian government says or does anything.

Maybe a better question would be why are you trying to stir up controversy about Australian government policy on a messageboard focused on American politics and populated chiefly by Americans? Seems kind of pointless to me.

marble falls

(57,015 posts)
35. First of all. The French were building diesel boats. The Aussies decided they wanted nuclear ...
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 01:12 PM
Sep 2021

... boats so as to be compatible with their allies.

Small business don't built ships or subs. You kinda sound like a news source from a China.

ShazzieB

(16,291 posts)
39. News source from China, or just a troll from China.
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 02:06 PM
Sep 2021

Do the Chinese have troll farms like the Russians do? Because that's how this feels to me.

Sapient Donkey

(1,568 posts)
44. Oh yeah they totally exist
Sat Sep 18, 2021, 01:37 PM
Sep 2021

Might even be on a larger scale than what we see from our Russian friends. They are really active on YouTube. I don’t know how much is organized influence operations vs regular Chinese nationalists posting on their own accord.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party

 

Devil Child

(2,728 posts)
37. Money spent to counter the global imperialist aspirations of China is money well spent
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 01:19 PM
Sep 2021

Well worth the "costing."

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