U.S. drone strike in Kabul mistakenly killed civilians, not terrorists, Pentagon says
Source: NBC
An Aug. 29 drone strike targeting terrorists in Afghanistan mistakenly killed innocent civilians, including children, Pentagon officials admitted Friday.
"We now assess it is unlikely that the vehicle and those who died were associated with ISIS-K," Gen. Kenneth McKenzie, the head of U.S. Central Command said. "It was a mistake."
He said he is "fully responsible for this strike and the tragic outcome."
"I offer my profound condolences to the family and friends of those who were killed," McKenzie said.
Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/u-s-drone-strike-kabul-mistakenly-killed-civilians-not-terrorists-n1279476
Yeah sure. Great "over the horizon" capability.
bluewater
(5,376 posts)Mosby
(16,306 posts)SmittyWerben
(823 posts)We seemingly had no assets on the ground in the community that weren't trying to flee. How did we find out about the house we hit with the ISIS bomber inside? How did we get real-time information on a moving vehicle? I fully understand the capability of drones to track and strike all this, but there had to be human intel placing the "bad guys" in these locations. Who was that asset?
Kenneth Almquist
(8 posts)According to the New York Times, the military took an interest in the vehicle because it was spotted leaving an alleged ISIS safe house. The ISIS safe house may have been classified as such back when we still had people on the ground in Afghanistan. The military tracked the vehicle for the next eight hours. Military sources claim that they saw heavy packages being loaded into the vehicle at one point that they suspected were explosives. The Times couldn't find any evidence to support this claim, although they were told that containers of water were loaded into the vehicle later in the day. Near the end of the day, the vehicle drove in the direction of the Kabul Airport, but before reaching the airport it turned into Amadi's residence. That's were the attack took place, presumably on the assumption that this was a temporary stop and that the vehicle would shortly continue on to the airport where the presumed explosives would be detonated.
The only source of intelligence mentioned by the Times, other than whatever intelligence was used to identify the ISIS safe house, was drone imagery. It appears that the military did not check tax records to determine who owned the buildings where the vehicle stopped, much less use reverse address lookup to determine who resided at those locations.
I think that there was sufficient evidence for the military to be justifiably concerned that the vehicle they were tracking might be a car bomb headed for the Kabul Airport, but not enough for the military to make a definite call either way.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)How many horrible mistakes have been made over the years in our countless wars and military actions?
How many children; how many innocent civilians were killed by mistake?
How many times can we say "Oops. Sorry."
Gee ~ I wonder why we are hated?
Magoo48
(4,708 posts)Drones are a horror. Sorry? WTF is that? Refit every drone possible for planting trees. Scrap all the others. Apologize to the world for our decades long breach of humanity. Stop shaking our Big, mindless, military dick at he rest of the world. Militarism is smothering our society multiple ways.
LT Barclay
(2,598 posts)Ever noticed that after the humvee had a civilian version, jeeps and pickup trucks had to grow more agressive looking. And now the angular lines of the "stealth" ships and planes are carried over into the lines of high end luxury and sports cars (new Corvette).
Self perpetuating insanity. No wonder trump has such dedicated syncophants.
EX500rider
(10,842 posts)Last edited Mon Sep 20, 2021, 02:01 PM - Edit history (1)
And they'd be releasing it above the height that shoulder fire missile could hit that means over 20,000 ft so they wouldn't be able to see the occupants either
Magoo48
(4,708 posts)America. Stop bombing other nations.
EX500rider
(10,842 posts)...what actions should the US take to ensure it does not happen a few days later?
A sternly written letter?
Magoo48
(4,708 posts)El Supremo
(20,365 posts)people said that due directly to our air and drone strikes killing many civilians that more people joined Al-Quaeda and ISIS. There are now many many times more terrorist fighters in Afghanistan than there were when we first invaded.
Igel
(35,300 posts)And they were reporting on NYT and WaPo reports.
"Finally admitted"--after defending the attacks as "clean" (I think that was the word used) would be better reporting.
What was truly interesting was the way the story was basically ignored.
It's almost as if admitting it's true gave permission for it to be reported widely.
TheProle
(2,167 posts)Justice matters.
(6,928 posts)bluewater
(5,376 posts)Very tragic.
Moebym
(989 posts)A huge black eye on the military and a boon for recruitment for terrorist orgs.
What the hell happened?
TheProle
(2,167 posts)marie999
(3,334 posts)El Supremo
(20,365 posts)Timothy McVeigh used that to explain the children he killed at the Alfred Murrah Federal building. It's a term used by the military since at least Vietnam. Murder is murder.
TheProle
(2,167 posts)twodogsbarking
(9,739 posts)We were winning if we killed twice as many as they did.
It was like a fucking box score.
JI7
(89,248 posts)They join because they have right wing views .
The terrorists killed a bunch of Afghan girls when they blew up their school.
The terrorists killed a bunch of innocent afghans with the attack that killed the 13 US soldiers .
What we did was fucked up but don't try to claim the terrorists have a problem with it.
robbob
(3,528 posts)and you come home one day to the smoking wreckage of your home, your entire family slaughtered by a faceless drone strike, dont you think that might, just maybe, make you more inclined to take up arms against the people who did that to you?
JI7
(89,248 posts)El Supremo
(20,365 posts)and tore apart the adjacent building killing innocent people inside? Because the vehicle was loaded with explosives they said.
Incompetent liars! I only hope that we are done with this murderous stupidity.
bluewater
(5,376 posts)speaktruthtopower
(800 posts)how many other of the drone attacks the past few decades were based on bad intelligence like this.
El Supremo
(20,365 posts)He's got to go.
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)Aussie105
(5,385 posts)and this is what you get.
Not the first 'Oops! Sorry!' moment.
US presence in Afghanistan, up close or via 'intelligently' targeted drone strikes:
Aim: To bring freedom and Democracy to a backward country.
Actual result: To demonize America in the eyes of Afghani citizens and the rest of the world.
The Taliban need to do little to show they are NOT the bad guys. Not when the US makes 'mistakes' like this.
EDIT: Has anyone in the US Government or military actually compiled a list of countries that could be invaded on the ground, or be subject to drone strikes?
Like:
Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, etc - yep, on the list.
China, North Korea, Japan - NOT on the list.
If there is no list, what are the deciding factors?
Seems to be some sort of erroneous moral judgment there.
Polybius
(15,390 posts)And not because they care about the innocent children either.
IronLionZion
(45,433 posts)not for a while, but forever. Since clearly nobody in intelligence knows who is who or what is going on anywhere over there.
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,868 posts)An idiot once said.
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)But I think it was just that, a mistake. Mistakes happen in war and innocent civilians always suffer. That's why I am so glad that we are finally out of there.
madville
(7,410 posts)To make an omelet, sometimes you have to break a few eggs.
Journeyman
(15,031 posts)of looking like Osama bin Laden, and for people around him being deferential to him.
https://www.americanbar.org/groups/public_contract_law/publications/public_contract_law_jrnl/49-4/casualties-drone/
The inadequacies of this technology were apparent from the beginning ("This was the first time that a Predator drone was used in a targeted killing; however, there were doubts about whether the man targeted was in fact Osama bin Laden." ) and evidently those inadequacies haven't improved any since. A compassionate, concerned militia would make adjustments, perhaps not use such inaccurate, senseless tools of death, but evidently "profound condolences" to the survivors is sufficient to assuage the General's black conscience.
Aussie105
(5,385 posts)A commercial airplane is shot down by BUK missile while flying high over Ukraine.
The operators mistook it for a military transporter.
"Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was a scheduled passenger flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur that was shot down on 17 July 2014 while flying over eastern Ukraine. All 283 passengers and 15 crew were killed."
An 'Oops, sorry' moment? Not really, a major investigation followed. People identified, sentenced in absentia.
Same needs to happen with this one. 'Oops, sorry!' is not enough.
Deminpenn
(15,286 posts)As it turns out, the product with the system showing crystal clear images in the sales pitch doesn't always work that way in real life. AFAIK, the analysts viewing the video couldn't tell what exactly was being loaded into the car that was targeted. They opted to "err" on the side of caution and blow the vehicle up.
The US uses these drones, cruise missiles and other guided weapons so we don't have to put boots on the ground and take casualties. That's the main lesson we learned after VN.
John1956PA
(2,654 posts)From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_12,_2007,_Baghdad_airstrike
. . .
The July 12, 2007, Baghdad airstrike was a series of air-to-ground attacks conducted by a team of two U.S. AH-64 Apache helicopters in Al-Amin al-Thaniyah, New Baghdad during the Iraqi insurgency which followed the Iraq War. On April 5, 2010, the attacks received worldwide coverage and controversy following the release of 39 minutes of gunsight footage by the Internet whistleblower website WikiLeaks. The footage was portrayed as classified,[7] but the individual who leaked it, U.S. Army soldier Chelsea Manning, testified in 2013 that the video was not classified.[8] The video, which WikiLeaks titled Collateral Murder, showed the crew firing on a group of men and killing several of them, then laughing at some of the casualties, all of whom were civilians, including two Reuters journalists.[15] An anonymous U.S. military official confirmed the authenticity of the footage,[16] which provoked global discussion on the legality and morality of the attacks.
. . .
EX500rider
(10,842 posts)Those reporters had embedded themselves with a resistance group in Iraq... They' were carrying RPGs and AK-47s
Steelrolled
(2,022 posts)after the airport bombing. This is what happens.
madville
(7,410 posts)The media was tearing the administration apart so they had to do something, no matter how thin the intelligence was.
That is a pretty thin defense of murder.
ck4829
(35,069 posts)Xolodno
(6,390 posts)...because we thought it was an F-14 Tomcat.