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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,956 posts)
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 01:37 PM Sep 2021

The White House says no to minting a $1 trillion coin to sidestep McConnell and ease debt ceiling

Source: Business Insider

standoff in Congress

The White House on Monday again ruled out minting a "trillion-dollar coin" to sidestep GOP refusals to aid Democrats on raising the debt ceiling, as the standoff in Congress over who bears responsibility for paying America's bills appeared to worsen with no resolution in sight.

"There is only one viable option to deal with the debt limit: Congress needs to increase or suspend it, as it has done approximately 80 times, including three times during the last Administration," White House spokesperson Mike Gwin said in a statement to Insider.

Politico first reported the Biden administration rejecting the step.

It closes off one avenue for the White House to defuse the tension as lawmakers barreled towards a potentially devastating default. Experts say the Treasury Department has the ability to mint a coin of any denomination, which could theoretically be applied here to avert a political showdown ending in default.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-white-house-says-no-to-minting-a-1-trillion-coin-to-sidestep-mcconnell-and-ease-debt-ceiling-standoff-in-congress/ar-AAODzKe

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The White House says no to minting a $1 trillion coin to sidestep McConnell and ease debt ceiling (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2021 OP
Too big a chance of losing it in the couch. Sneederbunk Sep 2021 #1
Or it gets accidentally used as a subway token Effete Snob Sep 2021 #2
A 5 foot wide coin would solve that issue. nt cstanleytech Sep 2021 #12
But then someone might bring it to Vegas and put it in a giant slot machine. Ace Rothstein Sep 2021 #13
Triganic Pu Xipe Totec Sep 2021 #17
O I needed that laugh, thank you! Dave says Sep 2021 #25
Interesting concept. Just curious as to the powers that be, in the administration...why not do such SWBTATTReg Sep 2021 #3
Time to stop work on government contracts in Republican-led states Zorro Sep 2021 #4
The only problem is that they have contracts fescuerescue Sep 2021 #9
A Stop Work order isn't contract nullification Zorro Sep 2021 #16
I bet a civil court wouldn't see it as that cut and dry. fescuerescue Sep 2021 #24
Why not Kentucky instead? TexasTowelie Sep 2021 #21
It's the correct decision, of course, not only because they would own the fallout bucolic_frolic Sep 2021 #5
Excuse me, do you have change for a trillion dollar coin? tinrobot Sep 2021 #6
It would certainly be every coin collector's dream Polybius Sep 2021 #10
Hmmm...the debt ceiling was raised 18 times under Reagan and 7 times under Dubya. LudwigPastorius Sep 2021 #7
Didn't Bush try that stunt? fescuerescue Sep 2021 #8
No. The idea emerged in 2011. former9thward Sep 2021 #19
Who's face would be on the coin anyway? Polybius Sep 2021 #11
Put Mitch's face on the coin Pantagruel Sep 2021 #15
"Two women tried to spend $1 million bill at Dollar General store" left-of-center2012 Sep 2021 #14
I thought this Rebl2 Sep 2021 #18
Serious question: mac56 Sep 2021 #20
It was a way to get around the limition of the legal debt _ceiling_... PoliticAverse Sep 2021 #23
They tried that on The Simpsons Lucky Luciano Sep 2021 #22
My recommendation is to get rid of the debt ceiling jmowreader Sep 2021 #26

Xipe Totec

(43,890 posts)
17. Triganic Pu
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 03:25 PM
Sep 2021

The Triganic Pu is a unit of galactic currency, with an exchange rate of eight Ningis to one Pu. This is simple enough, but, since a Ningi is a triangular rubber coin six thousand eight hundred miles along each side, no one has ever collected enough to own one Pu. Ningis are not negotiable currency, because the Galactibanks refuse to deal in fiddling small change.

- The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

SWBTATTReg

(22,114 posts)
3. Interesting concept. Just curious as to the powers that be, in the administration...why not do such
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 01:51 PM
Sep 2021

a thing, mint such a coin (or coins, w/ somewhat smaller denominations)? At least, then one has somewhat more to negotiate with...

Zorro

(15,740 posts)
4. Time to stop work on government contracts in Republican-led states
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 01:51 PM
Sep 2021

Notify the major contractors in states that have two Republican senators (I'm thinking of Texas and Florida) that the USG is stopping work/suspending payments/cancelling contracts for work done primarily in their states.

Let those contractors (Lockheed, Northrop, and others) persuade their senators to mend their ways immediately.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
9. The only problem is that they have contracts
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 02:15 PM
Sep 2021

I don't think that political differences allow nullification of the contract.

So those contractors would end up collecting, WITHOUT doing the work.

Zorro

(15,740 posts)
16. A Stop Work order isn't contract nullification
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 03:03 PM
Sep 2021

It would throw a monkey wrench into delivery and payment schedules, but that's the mechanism that was used in the last Republican-manufactured debt limit crisis.

TexasTowelie

(112,159 posts)
21. Why not Kentucky instead?
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 06:00 PM
Sep 2021

Considering that it is McConnell's obstinance that is creating this crisis it seems like the best solution is to go directly to the source.

bucolic_frolic

(43,146 posts)
5. It's the correct decision, of course, not only because they would own the fallout
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 01:52 PM
Sep 2021

and the inflation and market consequences, and it would give Mitch or any Republican license to do the same. Not that Mitch wouldn't use it in the same position. And besides, Powell's Fed is helping all they can. Default will never happen.

tinrobot

(10,895 posts)
6. Excuse me, do you have change for a trillion dollar coin?
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 01:55 PM
Sep 2021

I just want them to mint it so someone will steal it and try to cash it.

LudwigPastorius

(9,139 posts)
7. Hmmm...the debt ceiling was raised 18 times under Reagan and 7 times under Dubya.
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 02:10 PM
Sep 2021

Yet, these crises, in which the nation is imperiled if it is raised again, only seem to occur under Democratic administrations.

How unbelievably odd./s

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
14. "Two women tried to spend $1 million bill at Dollar General store"
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 02:36 PM
Sep 2021

Two women were caught trying to spend a fake $1 million bill at a Tennessee Dollar General store earlier this month, according to The Daily Times.

An employee of the discount store in Marysville reported April 5 that the women tried to use the counterfeit fortune to purchase several gift cards.

Blount County Sheriff’s deputies responded around around 10:00 a.m. and spoke with one of the suspects, Amanda McCormick, who said she “received the one million dollar bill in the mail from a church, but could not provide the church information,”

The women were ordered not to return to the Dollar General and were released without charges. Deputies took the bill as evidence.

https://www.wreg.com/news/two-women-tried-to-spend-1-million-bill-at-dollar-general-store-deputies-say/

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
23. It was a way to get around the limition of the legal debt _ceiling_...
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 07:21 PM
Sep 2021

Basically the government is limited by law as to how much they can borrow but there is no limitation as to how much money they can "coin".

There's a Wikipedia page that explains the issue...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trillion-dollar_coin



jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
26. My recommendation is to get rid of the debt ceiling
Tue Sep 21, 2021, 08:27 PM
Sep 2021

If the Republicans refuse to accept the reality that government costs money and the only other way to get it besides borrowing money every time the 2-22 Infantry at Fort Drum needs a case of toilet paper is to set taxes at a level high enough to pay our bills, then getting rid of the debt ceiling is the only solution. They raise it every time their fiscal mismanagement causes the debt to get near it anyway, so what's the point of having one in the first place?

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