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BumRushDaShow

(128,896 posts)
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 11:41 AM Sep 2021

U.S. judge will grant unconditional release of would-be Reagan assassin John W. Hinckley Jr.

Source: Washington Post


In this March 30, 1981, photo, Secret Service agent Timothy J. McCarthy, foreground, Washington police officer Thomas K. Delehanty, center, and presidential press secretary James Brady, background, lie wounded on a street outside a Washington hotel after shots were fired at President Ronald Reagan. (Ron Edmonds/AP)


A U.S. judge will grant the unconditional release of John W. Hinckley Jr. effective in June 2022, 41 years after he shot President Ronald Reagan and three others outside a D.C. hotel, the judge said at a court hearing Monday morning.

The court acted after the Justice Department agreed to end court supervision of Hinkley, who was freed from a government psychiatric hospital and granted conditional release to live in Williamsburg, Va., in 2016.

U.S. District Judge Paul L. Friedman said he will officially approve the terms in writing later this week. The unconditional release terms includes a final nine-month period of observation required by prosecutors and a government medical expert, but requires no further court action.

“At this point the ball is in Mr. Hinckley’s hands. The government agrees if the continues to do what he is doing between now and June 2020, he would be granted his unconditional release,” Assistant U.S. Attorney Kacie Weston said. The development Monday is the latest for one of the nation’s most notorious mental health patients.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/john-hinckley-unconditional-release/2021/09/27/8e5f5286-1f9f-11ec-9309-b743b79abc59_story.html

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U.S. judge will grant unconditional release of would-be Reagan assassin John W. Hinckley Jr. (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 OP
He'll need the equivalent of "witness protection"... NurseJackie Sep 2021 #1
I hope Jodie foster is protected from this lunatic jimfields33 Sep 2021 #3
I'm sure he'll be monitored. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #5
Let's hope. I don't know why he needs released. jimfields33 Sep 2021 #6
Because he served his sentence and is no longer considered to be a threat? NurseJackie Sep 2021 #7
We'll see. I guess time will tell. jimfields33 Sep 2021 #10
Yes, it will. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #12
I'd think Jodie Foster is still 'horrified' bigtree Sep 2021 #13
Okay. Has she explored her legal options? Can she insist that he be locked away... NurseJackie Sep 2021 #14
no, her fears don't override the court decision bigtree Sep 2021 #15
What legal justification is there for keeping him locked up? NurseJackie Sep 2021 #16
hard to say from here :sarcasm: bigtree Sep 2021 #17
I'm sure they've considered everything. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #18
what a strange way to describe concerns about a convicted murderer being released 'unconditionally' bigtree Sep 2021 #27
I'm honest enough to call it what it is and not take myself too seriously. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #28
never disagreed with a judge's decision? bigtree Sep 2021 #29
He's being treated fairly. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #30
This has been under consideration since 2016. And his mother has since died. Rhiannon12866 Sep 2021 #40
Everyone in the community he lives in knows about him underpants Sep 2021 #8
WHAT Reagan cultists? brooklynite Sep 2021 #33
Lunatic Reagan cultists who overlap a lot w anti-Bush tRumpanzees & anti-Clinton cultists: Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2021 #34
Post removed Post removed Sep 2021 #2
That is a little harsh. Ray Bruns Sep 2021 #4
I can only imagine what that post said...... oldsoftie Sep 2021 #25
Well, there's nothing more I need (or want) to learn from you . . . Journeyman Sep 2021 #11
This is like Sirhan Sirhan iemanja Sep 2021 #9
Exactly. JohnSJ Sep 2021 #21
One was found guility Sgent Sep 2021 #41
No. Dawson Leery Sep 2021 #19
OK, I guess. maxsolomon Sep 2021 #20
mom is dead, July 2021 whistler162 Sep 2021 #39
Sirhan Sirhan, Hinkley,... LudwigPastorius Sep 2021 #22
Its ridiculous isnt it? People like this should NEVER go free nt oldsoftie Sep 2021 #23
Maybe these people won't kill again, in the professional opinion of those who exam them, but... LudwigPastorius Sep 2021 #26
I agree nt oldsoftie Sep 2021 #31
Is the line for permanent imprisonment based on who the target is? onenote Sep 2021 #36
"Aggravating circumstances" make a charge heavier. Yes, there is a difference. oldsoftie Sep 2021 #42
I hear you, but I think your approach is a slippery slope. onenote Sep 2021 #44
So they are having a special on presidential assassins this month? nt. BlueIdaho Sep 2021 #24
Why should it matter who someone shoots or kills? Jon King Sep 2021 #32
Why it does matter Ron Obvious Sep 2021 #35
Then pass a law making an attack on a president punishable by life in prison with no onenote Sep 2021 #37
Should the insanity defense be abolished? onenote Sep 2021 #38
Watch out everyone Marthe48 Sep 2021 #43

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
1. He'll need the equivalent of "witness protection"...
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 11:43 AM
Sep 2021

... so that he can withdraw into anonymity. I believe he's likely to become a target of the Reagan cultists.

jimfields33

(15,786 posts)
3. I hope Jodie foster is protected from this lunatic
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 12:02 PM
Sep 2021

I don’t worry or care about him, but I want her fully protected.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
14. Okay. Has she explored her legal options? Can she insist that he be locked away...
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 12:25 PM
Sep 2021

... in a padded room forever? I'm not sure how this would work... do her fears override the legal system and mental health experts who have been treating him?

bigtree

(85,992 posts)
15. no, her fears don't override the court decision
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 12:33 PM
Sep 2021

...but I'm certain she questions this decision, just like the poster you responded to.

bigtree

(85,992 posts)
17. hard to say from here :sarcasm:
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 12:52 PM
Sep 2021

...but releasing him to his 90 year-old mother isn't my idea of close supervision.

Moot point because the court has ruled, but it doesn't preclude anyone from questioning the decision, and it doesn't obviate arguments against release just because the judge ruled.

I think we'll soon see what a joke this release was.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
18. I'm sure they've considered everything.
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 01:02 PM
Sep 2021

And if they had any legal justification for keeping him locked up, they'd likely do so. For no reason other than my own unfounded suspicions, I imagine the risk of self-harm or suicide is greater than the risk of harm to others.

and it doesn't obviate arguments against release just because the judge ruled.
...or navel gazing.

bigtree

(85,992 posts)
27. what a strange way to describe concerns about a convicted murderer being released 'unconditionally'
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 02:24 PM
Sep 2021

...navel-gazing?

Though, I'm guessing your own 'imagining' and 'unfounded suspicions' are way superior to any other argument.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
28. I'm honest enough to call it what it is and not take myself too seriously.
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 02:26 PM
Sep 2021
Though, I'm guessing your own 'imagining' and 'unfounded suspicions' are way superior to any other argument.
I'm honest enough to call it what it is and not take myself too seriously.

Others are more self-indulgent in their second-guessing of judges and mental healthcare professionals. That's strange.

bigtree

(85,992 posts)
29. never disagreed with a judge's decision?
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 02:40 PM
Sep 2021

...wow.

That's really something.

Glad we don't all genuflect before judges' rulings.

Rhiannon12866

(205,237 posts)
40. This has been under consideration since 2016. And his mother has since died.
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 03:13 AM
Sep 2021

Link also contains the news report from 2016:

John Hinckley, Who Shot President Reagan, Granted Release From Supervision - MSNBC
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017683913

underpants

(182,788 posts)
8. Everyone in the community he lives in knows about him
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 12:12 PM
Sep 2021

His parents live in a golf course community in Williamsburg. As he slowly got release over the years he’s seen regularly taking walks. I worked there in the 80’s long before he started getting weekend releases to reacclimate into the world.

I worked on the course and everyone knew where his parents lived. Unless they moved. Everyone pretty much gives him and his family some consideration and space.

It’s not hard to figure out which course I’m talking about but I don’t think posting it or where his folks live is something that should be on DU.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,000 posts)
34. Lunatic Reagan cultists who overlap a lot w anti-Bush tRumpanzees & anti-Clinton cultists:
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 03:55 PM
Sep 2021

Hinkley was in close with GHW Bush’s family.

Yes, documented and discussed years ago on FR. People around Bush family are killers just like Clintons.

10 posted on 2021-09-27 by Hostage (Article V)

Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

maxsolomon

(33,318 posts)
20. OK, I guess.
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 01:22 PM
Sep 2021

He's been out for 5 years already.

Who watches his crazy ass after March '23 & his mom dies, IDK. One assumes he'll be kept away from firearms...

LudwigPastorius

(9,137 posts)
26. Maybe these people won't kill again, in the professional opinion of those who exam them, but...
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 02:22 PM
Sep 2021

that doesn't mean we, as a society, have to accept them back.

Their particular crimes should require that they remain locked up to (presumably) deter future assassins.

onenote

(42,700 posts)
36. Is the line for permanent imprisonment based on who the target is?
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 06:42 PM
Sep 2021

Seems a bit odd. Or should anyone who kills, or tries to kill, anyone else be imprisoned for life?

oldsoftie

(12,533 posts)
42. "Aggravating circumstances" make a charge heavier. Yes, there is a difference.
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 02:26 PM
Sep 2021

Myself, I'd like to see all malice murderers get the needle. Change the law so it can only be sought in cases where there is absolutely NO DOUBT of guilt. Plenty of those cases around. Good example; Dylan Roof. Removes any chance of punishing an innocent.
Attempted murder of elected officials should be considered an aggravating circumstance & carry more weight. Its a threat to the order & function of society more than the attempted killing of you or me.

onenote

(42,700 posts)
44. I hear you, but I think your approach is a slippery slope.
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 03:19 PM
Sep 2021

Does one (and if so how) distinguish between different elected officials. Is the threat to the order & function of society the same when the target is a member of Congress rather than the President? What about governors, mayors, city council members -- all "elected" officials. And what about non-elected officials -- for example, an attack on the Secretary of Defense. Or the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. How does that compare to an attack on an FCC Commissioner or the head of OSHA? What about a general or admiral? Line drawing ultimately would prove to be arbitrary.

Jon King

(1,910 posts)
32. Why should it matter who someone shoots or kills?
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 03:22 PM
Sep 2021

Why should anyone be granted release or not based on who they killed or shot. So if a homeless women is killed, her killer serves 40 years, her killer meets all the requirements to be released, that person is released.

I could not give a dang if its a famous person or politician they attacked. Whatever the protocol is, whether they killed a Kennedy or shot a Reagan or did the same to a random poor person, the rules should be followed.

The problem with the justice system is how arbitrary it is. These guys should be released if others have been released under similar circumstances.

 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
35. Why it does matter
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 06:24 PM
Sep 2021

Because it can certainly be argued that an attack on a serving president is an attack on democracy itself.

I didn't like Reagan, but we can't allow for an attack on the president not to be treated considerably more seriously than an attack on a private citizen.

onenote

(42,700 posts)
37. Then pass a law making an attack on a president punishable by life in prison with no
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 06:45 PM
Sep 2021

chance of parole. Period. Even where the person is found not guilty by reason of insanity.

onenote

(42,700 posts)
38. Should the insanity defense be abolished?
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 06:47 PM
Sep 2021

Should a person found not guilty by reason of insanity be considered incapable of recovering?

The issues aren't as simple as some the posts here seem to assume.

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