Manchin raises red flag on carbon tax

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

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Source: The Hill

Centrist Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) on Monday raised a red flag over his Democratic colleagues' push to include a carbon tax in the reconciliation package they will need his vote to pass later this year.

A plan to tax carbon as a way to combat climate change and raise revenue for the reconciliation package is gaining momentum, and some Senate Democrats think that Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.) is open to the idea after she raised global warming as a key concern during an interview with the Arizona Republic last week.

But Manchin, who represents coal-rich West Virginia, is not a fan of the idea.

"I just heard about that," he told reporters Monday when asked about the new push for the carbon tax. "Any type of a tax is going to be passed on to the people."

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/manchin-raises-red-flag-on-carbon-tax/ar-AAOT4gL?li=BBnbfcQ&ocid=DELLDHP

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With all due respect Joe coal is a dying energy source. It'll go the way of whale oil and buggy whips. Your state will have to adjust and reinvent itself as many other states have done.

[Skittles]

1. I am so sick of hearing about Manchin

seriously sick of him

[vercetti2021]

5. You and me both

Guys not a fucking Democrat despite what his cheerleading squad tells everyone

[NurseJackie]

6. Yes he is. If he wasn't a Democrat, then McConnell would be in charge. And...

... the Democrats would have a 2-vote deficit. It would be 51 to 49.

Joe Manchin is a Democrat. Count your blessings.

[vercetti2021]

8. Yeah and it is getting us nowhere

He is a Democrat. In name only along with Sinema. They are holding Biden's agenda hostage because they are bought and paid for by dark money. Doesn't matter if it gives us a majority. McConnell still runs it all with his obstructionist bullshit

[hamsterjill]

25. Absolutely correct.

I see the cheering squad showed up.

I tire of Manchin holding up all things that progressives need to get done. He has blatantly showed us who his handlers are, and his full intent cannot be denied. As you say, McConnell is still in charge. I tire of being told nothing can ge done to change that. The Dems need to figure it out.

[Magoo48]

26. Looks like Moscow Mitch is in charge much of the time.

[NurseJackie]

27. With a 50/50 split and 60 votes needed for most legislation...

... I can see how some casual and non-critical observers may think that. But he's not the one deciding which bills get to the floor. He's not in charge of committee assignments. He's not able to turn the 1/6 investigation into a farce.

As frustrating as things are, they could be worse. Much worse.

People need to count their blessings and stop shitting on the Democrats.

[Magoo48]

28. Even as a casual and "non-critical observer"

I can see an apologist for tiptoeing, handwringing, payola-laden DINOs and plants with clarity.

This casual observer for one thinks massive and courageous direct actions on the part of our Democratic leaders would provide us all with a tremendous outlet for our frustrations. That is not criticism; it is encouragement.

[NurseJackie]

29. I'm sure that must be the case.

[PoliticAverse]

2. "The truth about Joe Manchin? He's a coal baron of the dirtiest kind. Literally."

See: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=15847137

[NickB79]

3. The cost of climate change is ALREADY being passed on to the people

Who the fuck do you think pays for all the natural disasters caused by climate change currently hammering our nation annually, asshole?

Taxing carbon is CHEAPER than doing nothing!!!

[elleng]

4. No sh*t, sherlock.

[DanieRains]

7. Taxing Carbon Is The Solution That Makes The Most Sense

Make polluters like myself pay for the carbon we burn, instead of our children, if they live.

[BlueIdaho]

9. I can tell him where to put that red flag...

DINO.

[Orrex]

10. Does Manchin count as a Democrat that we're not allowed to bash?

Asking for a nation at large.

[Galraedia]

12. I refuse to call that POS a democrat.

[PoliticAverse]

13. Manchin and Sinema seem to be pretty much "fair game" on DU these days. n/t

[Galraedia]

11. With all due respect, why is he Chairman of the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee?

The only thing Manchin needs to be chairman of is the STFU committee. I'm sick and tired of hearing the BS that comes out of this closet republican's mouth.

[FBaggins]

24. Because he can't be removed

Or…more precisely… because McConnell would happily put him in that same chair if we ever removed him from it.

[Evolve Dammit]

14. Who owns ya baby?? Quite obvious.

[Wounded Bear]

15. If Manchin had his way, we'd be driving coal powered cars...

[PoliticAverse]

16. GM tried...

GM Once Built These Fascinating Coal-Powered Turbine Cars
https://jalopnik.com/gm-once-built-these-fascinating-coal-powered-turbine-ca-1791842557

[KPN]

17. Katie Porter dented his armor yesterday on the Sunday news shows. More like her need to step up

and shame Manchin with the truth about his reticence. He is out for self ahead of Party, self ahead of democracy, self ahead of nation.

[MichMan]

18. Carbon tax would apply to everything made from petroleum products

Gasoline, Diesel, Coal, Plastics, Asphalt, Paints, Detergents, Clothing, and thousands of other products.

[bucolic_frolic]

19. Fossil fuels, anti-vaxxers, and incandescent lightbulbs are all the same.

Fixed, rigid thinking.

When the old style light bulbs were being phased out, I saw a man in a suit and tie in the supermarket, he had a shopping cart filled with light bulbs. I think they were 99 cents a pair. And I know people who still want more of them.

I've moved beyond CFL (which had their problems - mine burned out years before their time) and now I use LEDs which are just great. And the new LED flashlights ... small, bright, batteries last me almost 2 years. One little bulb! And $1 at Walmart.

[twodogsbarking]

20. LED lights are great.

People will never like automatic transmissions though.

[Happy Hoosier]

22. Sarcasm?

I assume so.

[Happy Hoosier]

21. ... will be passed on to the people...

Yes. That's the point. The long term costs of carbon pollution must be factored in to the short term costs to facilitate a switch to better energy sources.

[rickyhall]

23. Manchin: Oil company lobbyist posing as US Senator.

Sorry. Yes it will be passed to those who love gas guzzlers. Not so much the rest of us. We've got to unplug. Nobody said it would be easy.

[Paladin]

30. Coal whore. (nt)