Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,086 posts)
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 07:02 PM Sep 2021

Alex Jones Just Lost 2 Sandy Hook Cases

Source: Huffington Post

Infowars host Alex Jones has lost two of several lawsuits filed against him by relatives of Sandy Hook victims after he routinely failed to comply with requests to produce documents related to his involvement in spreading lies about the deadly shooting.

Judge Maya Guerra Gamble on Monday issued her ruling for default judgments against Jones in two different cases, which means he and the conspiracy-theory-spewing outlet Infowars have been found liable for all damages and a jury will now be convened to determine how much he will owe the plaintiffs. The new rulings became public Thursday.

In the filings, Gamble eviscerated Jones and reasoned that default judgments should be ordered because “an escalating series of judicial admonishments, monetary penalties, and non-dispositive sanctions have all been ineffective at deterring the abuse,” caused by Jones’ unwillingness to turn over documents related to the cases, the Texas judge ruled.

The ruling — which is often referred to in Texas as a “death penalty sanction” for a party unwilling to comply with court orders — is a rarity in the legal world. Jones, who is now on his seventh lawyer in these cases, had years to provide documentation requested by the court, including internal company emails.

Read more: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/alex-jones-lost-two-sandy-hook-cases_n_61561020e4b008640eb1d56a?pkq

48 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Alex Jones Just Lost 2 Sandy Hook Cases (Original Post) LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 OP
Good. Default judgments are pretty rare, but these seem more than deserved. Ocelot II Sep 2021 #1
Alex Jones is a ghoul Locrian Sep 2021 #3
There was some serious discovery abuse including changing lawyers six or seven times LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #4
Sanctions for failing to comply with discovery orders are usually non-dispositive, Ocelot II Sep 2021 #8
My experience is the same. rsdsharp Oct 2021 #44
Well said! Haggard Celine Sep 2021 #7
This Type of Discovery Sanctions Imposing Default Judgments are Extremely Rare Stallion Sep 2021 #24
Yes, default judgments can be entered if the other party fails to answer a complaint, Ocelot II Sep 2021 #28
Take it all, and then some. ZonkerHarris Sep 2021 #2
I Bet He Doesn't Pay SoCalDavidS Sep 2021 #5
I see a sudden drmeow Sep 2021 #9
That's when uniformed government agents show up Mysterian Sep 2021 #14
Ouch WHITT Sep 2021 #6
Cue the GoFundMe in 3...2...1... BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #10
Win-Win for society, either way. Grokenstein Oct 2021 #37
He'll be channeling $$$ to his lawyers too BumRushDaShow Oct 2021 #39
This will be a hollow victory for the families. twin_ghost Sep 2021 #11
What you say is absolutely true. However... MissMillie Sep 2021 #17
To go bankrupt, petitioner has to disclose assets and most of these willl be sacrificed to pay 3Hotdogs Sep 2021 #20
I hope he's dumpster diving soon Mysterian Sep 2021 #12
I seem to recall Rush Limbaugh had some tips about that! Grokenstein Oct 2021 #38
WHO is he HIDING? eMails to who? Funders? Puppet Masters? Must be real bad if it's better to default Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2021 #13
Ah, HuffPo true to form, there's that failed journalist cliche again: "eviscerate". . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2021 #15
Bankrupt this fucker BlueIdaho Sep 2021 #16
I was watching a CNN series on the woman in AL who sued the Klan MissMillie Sep 2021 #18
That happened where I live in North Idaho! BlueIdaho Sep 2021 #19
SPLC for the WIN! nt reACTIONary Sep 2021 #34
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2021 #41
Bury the son of a bitch WVreaper Sep 2021 #21
The first time I watched his show, the only time, I was fooled bucolic_frolic Sep 2021 #22
Judgement? NQAS Sep 2021 #23
HA!! He's possibly even more of a useless turd fucker than Trump! Rabrrrrrr Sep 2021 #25
bankrupt the fuck.... bahboo Sep 2021 #26
Raises the question of what would've been in the docs that was even worse... NullTuples Sep 2021 #27
Could this bankrupt him and his filthy enterprise? NurseJackie Sep 2021 #29
My guess is that if he had insurance... reACTIONary Sep 2021 #35
I hope the jury lowers the boom on this human turd. Mr. Evil Sep 2021 #30
Couldn't have happened to a more deserving grifter. Ford_Prefect Sep 2021 #31
I hope it bankrupts him. gldstwmn Sep 2021 #32
He'll be selling used cars and trailer houses soon enough. marble falls Sep 2021 #33
That suck fuck dug his own grave Blue Owl Oct 2021 #36
;-{)🖖 Goonch Oct 2021 #40
Juanita Jean is happy LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2021 #42
Do cases against scum like this ever get resolved? LiberalLovinLug Oct 2021 #45
I hope Jones is sued into penury tonekat Oct 2021 #43
He put them through unimaginable hell. BeckyDem Oct 2021 #46
Good news. Hope there will be endless losses ahead. Thank you. ⭐️ Judi Lynn Oct 2021 #47
Infowars owner Alex Jones just lost a THIRD defamation suit LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2021 #48

Ocelot II

(115,661 posts)
1. Good. Default judgments are pretty rare, but these seem more than deserved.
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 07:05 PM
Sep 2021

Alex Jones is a ghoul. I hope the court pounds him into dust.

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,086 posts)
4. There was some serious discovery abuse including changing lawyers six or seven times
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 07:08 PM
Sep 2021

The documents that I saw did not address the pro hac vice motion for the asshole attorney who was banned in other cases From the article cited in OP

It was Jones’ continued refusal to hand over discovery documents that led to Monday’s rulings against him in a lawsuit brought on by Pozner and a separate lawsuit by parent Scarlett Lewis, whose 6-year-old son, Jesse, was also killed in the shooting. Pozner, De La Rosa, and Lewis are being represented by Texas law firm Farrar & Ball, who told HuffPost that they are “not surprised by the Court’s decision.”

Jones’ most recent lawyer, Brad Reeves, told the Austin-American Statesman earlier this month that a default judgment against Jones would be a “hugely excessive” response to his discovery failures. Judge Gamble felt otherwise:

“Furthermore, in considering whether lesser remedies would be effective, this Court has also considered Defendants’ general bad faith approach to litigation, Mr. Jones’ public threats, and Mr. Jones’ professed belief that these proceedings are ‘show trials’,” the court rulings read.

Lawyer Bill Ogden with Farrar & Ball told HuffPost that Gamble’s default judgment ruling is “a bit of a myth” in the legal world.

“We learn about death penalty sanctions in law school as more of a theory, and it’s almost unheard of to have them handed down in a case like this,” Ogden said in an emailed statement. “However, the Sandy Hook cases are unique. It is extremely rare that a party (Alex Jones and Infowars) is ordered by the Court to comply with discovery, is sanctioned for failing to obey with the Court’s multiple Order(s), and then continues to blatantly disregard the Court’s authority by continuously refusing to comply.”

I watched the last 45 minutes of the hearing and the Judge was pissed at Jones

Ocelot II

(115,661 posts)
8. Sanctions for failing to comply with discovery orders are usually non-dispositive,
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 07:19 PM
Sep 2021

so these default judgments for discovery abuse really are unusual. Mostly courts just order the noncompliant party to cough up some fees and costs along with their responses, and the show goes on. I do recall sitting in a federal courtroom years ago watching the judge hammer opposing counsel with costs and fees for failing to answer some interrogatories and requests for admission, and mentally going because it was so rare, and this was a big hotshot firm that had absolutely no excuse for not turning that stuff over.

rsdsharp

(9,162 posts)
44. My experience is the same.
Fri Oct 1, 2021, 01:57 PM
Oct 2021

The worst I ever saw was a federal judge who imposed a $7000 penalty on a lawyer for failing to produce documents, saying they didn’t exist. They did, he had just taken the client’s word that they didn’t. The documents were ordered to be produced, and a larger financial penalty was imposed on the client, but the court also specified that the lawyer, not the client, and not his firm, was to pay his penalty.

The same judge ordered an attorney who had turned a deposition into a mockery with frivolous objections, many of which were used to signal answers to the witness, to prepare a CLE presentation on abusive discovery techniques. He was also ordered to give the presentation to his partners, and to read the sanctions order to them, first.

Haggard Celine

(16,843 posts)
7. Well said!
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 07:18 PM
Sep 2021

I hope that jury awards those parents millions and they bleed that fucker dry. Hope they get the money from his supplement sales and everything.

Stallion

(6,474 posts)
24. This Type of Discovery Sanctions Imposing Default Judgments are Extremely Rare
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 08:06 PM
Sep 2021

...but regular default judgments are very common

it opens up an appellate ground, after the jury trial on damages, that the trial judge abused his or her discretion-I hope facts are rock solid but an all republican Texas Supreme Court may view facts differently

Quite frankly, it might be years before the appellate courts finally dispose of the case

Ocelot II

(115,661 posts)
28. Yes, default judgments can be entered if the other party fails to answer a complaint,
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 08:38 PM
Sep 2021

but the judgment can be vacated if they can show the court a good excuse for failing to answer. Courts will cut people a lot of slack if the non-responding party is pro se. That's not unusual. This was unusual, but they really abused the discovery process and I think the judge ran out of options.

Grokenstein

(5,721 posts)
37. Win-Win for society, either way.
Fri Oct 1, 2021, 01:25 AM
Oct 2021

He either loses his own money or channels other rightwankers' money into the bank accounts of Jones' victims. That's some "redistribution of wealth" I can get behind!

twin_ghost

(435 posts)
11. This will be a hollow victory for the families.
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 07:29 PM
Sep 2021

Alex Jones will file bankruptcy and then settle the lawsuits for pennies on the dollar in court.

MissMillie

(38,546 posts)
17. What you say is absolutely true. However...
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 07:41 PM
Sep 2021

... I don't think the families are doing it for the money.

3Hotdogs

(12,366 posts)
20. To go bankrupt, petitioner has to disclose assets and most of these willl be sacrificed to pay
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 07:47 PM
Sep 2021

creditors.


Failure to disclose assets or attempts to hide assets by giving them to your kids or your wife can lead to prison if discovered.

While the petitioner doesn't lose everything, he loses most of his assets. A company gives up even more so Infowars as a corporation may dissolve.

MissMillie

(38,546 posts)
18. I was watching a CNN series on the woman in AL who sued the Klan
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 07:43 PM
Sep 2021

When they couldn't pay her, they had to fork over a bunch of their property (real estate).

That wiorks for me. I'll bet he has a nice house. He should be forced to sell it.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
19. That happened where I live in North Idaho!
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 07:47 PM
Sep 2021

The Aryan Nations hate group had a “compound” just north of here. They had armed skinheads who patrolled the property. They shot at a woman passerby - the end result… the woman not only got the property, she got the rights to the name Aryan Nations.

This was all thanks to the Southern Poverty Law Center - in the old old days.

Response to BlueIdaho (Reply #16)

WVreaper

(620 posts)
21. Bury the son of a bitch
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 07:50 PM
Sep 2021

Take all his money. Maybe, just maybe this will shut up some of this bullshit lying.

bucolic_frolic

(43,123 posts)
22. The first time I watched his show, the only time, I was fooled
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 07:52 PM
Sep 2021

because he said something supportive of Hillary near the beginning. I was duped!

NQAS

(10,749 posts)
23. Judgement?
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 07:56 PM
Sep 2021

$150 million for each loss, plus lawyers fees and court costs. To be paid immediately. Failure to pay results in his having to turn over his business assets. Every single asset until the value of $300 million is met.

That should set a reasonable benchmark for all cases going forward.

Oh. And an apology.

reACTIONary

(5,770 posts)
35. My guess is that if he had insurance...
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 10:03 PM
Sep 2021

... the insurance co. would be handling the defence and this would not have happened. Or they would have ducked out long ago and left him holding the bag.

Mr. Evil

(2,839 posts)
30. I hope the jury lowers the boom on this human turd.
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 09:08 PM
Sep 2021

He had years to comply with the court orders. Nothing. Because he had nothing. It was all made up for his gullible followers. He should be made to admit that it was all made up so he could make money off it. Just another disgusting RWNJ bottom feeder.

Ford_Prefect

(7,876 posts)
31. Couldn't have happened to a more deserving grifter.
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 09:09 PM
Sep 2021

Hopefully this becomes an endlessly repeating pattern in his future.

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,086 posts)
42. Juanita Jean is happy
Fri Oct 1, 2021, 10:29 AM
Oct 2021

Mark Bankston is her son https://juanitajean.com/?p=69916

Well, there’s an update on the Alex Jones case our Mark filed against Alex Jones on behalf of some of the Sandy Hook parents.

About three weeks ago, there was a hearing in Austin over the fact that Alex Jones has screwed around on this case and has refused to comply with court orders or produce items required under the rules of discovery. Jones is on his seventh lawyer. He waits until the night before hearings, replaces his lawyer, and then wants to reset the clock. He’s been repeatedly fined and chastised by the court.

Nothing seems to work. The first judge on the case retired and a newly elected district court judge, The Honorable Maya Guerra Gamble, put the hammer down. It’s called “the death penalty” in civil cases and is extremely rare.

Oddly enough, Jones’ lawyer promised in the hearing that he would file answers to the pending discovery issues in two weeks. He didn’t do it.

In the filings, Gamble eviscerated Jones and reasoned that default judgments should be ordered because “an escalating series of judicial admonishments, monetary penalties, and non-dispositive sanctions have all been ineffective at deterring the abuse,” caused by Jones’ unwillingness to turn over documents related to the cases, the Texas judge ruled.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,169 posts)
45. Do cases against scum like this ever get resolved?
Fri Oct 1, 2021, 03:14 PM
Oct 2021

"Nothing seems to work" WTF?

How many years has passed now since he was first served? Why would the court have to wait for Jone's documents to move forward even? They have all the recordings of his disgusting lies. Why is it framed like the court NEEDS something from him in order to even attempt to proceed. And hopefully find him guilty? Must be nice, if he can continue to give the court the finger when they ask for docs, he will never get convicted.

No wonder assholes like Trump, and those that shill for him like Giuliani, Powell laugh at the courts, and continue on speaking tours and double down. They know they will never pay. They just have to say "no" to the courts.

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,086 posts)
48. Infowars owner Alex Jones just lost a THIRD defamation suit
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 02:52 PM
Oct 2021



Infowars conspiracy theorist Alex Jones has lost his third lawsuit brought by a parent of a child who died in the Sandy Hook school shooting, one day after he lost two other Sandy Hook cases.

In a court filing unsealed Friday, Judge Maya Guerra Gamble issued her ruling for default judgment against Jones in the defamation case brought by father Neil Heslin, whose 6-year-old son Jesse was killed in the shooting that left 20 children and six adults dead.


A default judgment means Jones and Infowars will now be liable for all damages, and a jury will decide how much he will have to pay.
Latest Discussions»Latest Breaking News»Alex Jones Just Lost 2 Sa...