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BumRushDaShow

(129,108 posts)
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 06:31 AM Oct 2021

Nobel Prize in Physics Awarded for Study of Humanity's Role in Changing Climate

Source: New York Times

The Nobel Prize in Physics was awarded on Tuesday to three scientists whose work “laid the foundation of our knowledge of the Earth’s climate and how humanity influences it.”

The winners were Syukuro Manabe of Princeton University, Klaus Hasselmann of the Max Planck Institute for Meteorology in Hamburg, Germany, and Giorgio Parisi of the Sapienza University of Rome. The work of all three is essential to understanding how the Earth’s climate is changing and how human behavior is influencing those changes.

“The discoveries being recognized this year demonstrate that our knowledge about the climate rests on a solid scientific foundation, based on a rigorous analysis of observations,” said Thors Hans Hansson, chair of the Nobel Committee for Physics.

Complex systems, such as the climate, are often defined by their disorder. This year’s winners helped bring understanding to the seeming chaos, by describing those systems and predicting their long-term behavior. Dr. Manabe demonstrated how increased levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere lead to increased temperatures on the surface of the Earth.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/05/science/nobel-prize-physics-manabe-klaus-parisi.html






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The Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences has decided to award the 2021 #NobelPrize in Physics to Syukuro Manabe, Klaus Hasselmann and Giorgio Parisi “for groundbreaking contributions to our understanding of complex physical systems.”
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Congrats and timely subject!
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Nobel Prize in Physics Awarded for Study of Humanity's Role in Changing Climate (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Oct 2021 OP
And, no doubter was awarded a Nobel Prize for showing global climate change is fake science. NCjack Oct 2021 #1
K&R! SheltieLover Oct 2021 #2
Outstanding work! Bayard Oct 2021 #3
OK, now I gotta convince my red don-loving, GQPee neighbor-- not fooled Oct 2021 #4
Yeah having worked for the feds myself (now retired) BumRushDaShow Oct 2021 #5
So I wonder why they are in that profession? RussBLib Oct 2021 #7
I think in some cases BumRushDaShow Oct 2021 #8
I never served RussBLib Oct 2021 #9
I used to work with a Vietnam navy vet BumRushDaShow Oct 2021 #12
Murderous drug dealers RussBLib Oct 2021 #6
Don't waste your time. i'm sure your GQPee neighbor knows that he knows more than..... usaf-vet Oct 2021 #10
Do you know this guy? not fooled Oct 2021 #13
No I don't.... but you owe me a new keyboard .... and my monitor is flickering some. I wish my..... usaf-vet Oct 2021 #14
Kick dalton99a Oct 2021 #11

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
1. And, no doubter was awarded a Nobel Prize for showing global climate change is fake science.
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 07:34 AM
Oct 2021

Congrats to Manabe, Hasselman, and Parisi.

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
4. OK, now I gotta convince my red don-loving, GQPee neighbor--
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 11:01 AM
Oct 2021

who thinks that global warming is a hoax perpetrated by grant-seeking scientists--that the Nobel committee is also on the take.



P.S. He's also a Federal LEO who "knows" from personal communication with DEA and BP agents that Bill and Hillary are murderous drug dealers, etc. Scary.

BumRushDaShow

(129,108 posts)
5. Yeah having worked for the feds myself (now retired)
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 11:05 AM
Oct 2021

people might be surprised how many "government-hating" federal workers there are. Makes you wonder if they fathom the cognitive dissonance of their employment.

RussBLib

(9,020 posts)
7. So I wonder why they are in that profession?
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 11:11 AM
Oct 2021

Cognitive dissonance, indeed. Having to enforce laws you don't believe in. Protect those you despise.

Maybe they just like having the gun. And the power. And the ability to beat up people now and then, and get away with it.

BumRushDaShow

(129,108 posts)
8. I think in some cases
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 11:17 AM
Oct 2021

it was more for the paycheck and benefits (that they despise).

I have found that a number of those like that were previously in the military and either retired from there after 20 years and/or transferred to civilian (government) agencies to finish out their careers.

RussBLib

(9,020 posts)
9. I never served
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 11:26 AM
Oct 2021

So I have a hard time identifying with the military. I am not antagonistic towards the infantry, just the "leaders" who keep getting us into conflagrations. Being in a war zone can bring out some pretty ugly things in people, so I hear.

The last year they held the draft for Vietnam, my draft number was 323. I was fortunate enough to be born into an upwardly-mobile family, and college was the way to go.

BumRushDaShow

(129,108 posts)
12. I used to work with a Vietnam navy vet
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 11:49 AM
Oct 2021

who was actually a communications specialist, so not doing any ground combat, and during his career, he and his wife lived all over at different bases. But once he moved to civilian life and settled down (which was probably one impetus for some vets - not having to do the constant moves) - he was literally all-Rush Limpballs, all day (along with the other '80s RW loons on the radio at the time - some still on today), literally from their earliest shows... and he was definitely pro-Raygun. I think that is what roped in many of them - they believed Raygun's anti-government hype - literally a President who was "in charge of" the government ranting and raving against it.

Of course he, like many like him, had many family issues (particularly with his son) and that type of distress and angst seemed to have been recognized and channeled by the RW talk radio ilk, who re-directed their anger to focus on "the libs", eventually leading to the nonsense that we see today.

RussBLib

(9,020 posts)
6. Murderous drug dealers
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 11:08 AM
Oct 2021

If he "knew" that and it turned out to be true, he probably would not be around long.

I wonder how many "climate deniers" swear by the bible?

usaf-vet

(6,189 posts)
10. Don't waste your time. i'm sure your GQPee neighbor knows that he knows more than.....
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 11:29 AM
Oct 2021

.... them their fissic scientizt! He has scene the truth on the U-tubes. No nobility guys going to lie to him.

You stand a better chance of bringing a brick wall up to speed on Climate Change than you have with a GQPee.

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
13. Do you know this guy?
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 03:33 PM
Oct 2021

You are spot on. I tried just talking to him about evidence--not even trying to change his mind, just seeing whether there is any shared reality--nope.

And, I made the mistake of telling him I was a research scientist with an advanced degree from a major university. Not argumentatively, just to let him know that my background was in objectively evaluating information. Oof, wrong thing to say! He then proceeded to tell me that HE was an intelligence officer with lots of knowledge gained from talking to other Feds and that he didn't trust any information, media, facts, evidence other than what he could see for himself.

This country sure seems doomed.

usaf-vet

(6,189 posts)
14. No I don't.... but you owe me a new keyboard .... and my monitor is flickering some. I wish my.....
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 04:39 PM
Oct 2021

..... dad was still around he was a USN radio operator in WW II and I think the flickering is trying to communicate with me in Morse Code. Apparently coffee and electronics don't mix.

Ok, and you provide the best LOL my wife and I have had in months.... a classic... "Do you know this guy?"

My best answer is I think every neighborhood has one. SADLY!

dalton99a

(81,516 posts)
11. Kick
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 11:32 AM
Oct 2021
https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/05/health/nobel-prize-physics-winner-scn-2021/index.html

Nobel Prize in physics awarded to scientists whose work warned the world of climate change
By Rob Picheta and Katie Hunt, CNN

...

Manabe, senior meteorologist at Princeton University's Program in Atmospheric and Oceanic Sciences, harnessed the calculating power of early computers and applied it to climate. In the late 1960s, his climate circulation model was on a computer that occupied a whole room and only had half a megabyte of memory. After hundreds of hours of testing, the model showed that carbon dioxide had a clear impact -- when the level of carbon dioxide doubled, global temperature increased by over 2°C.

"He was the first scientist to do a thorough calculation that was reliable," said Gunnar Ingelman, the secretary of the Nobel physics committee. Today, nearly every climate model relies on the groundbreaking research done by Manabe, he added.

In 1980, Hasselmann, a professor at the Max Planck Institute for Meteorology in Hamburg, Germany, was able to answer the question of why climate models can be reliable despite weather being changeable and chaotic. What's more, he developed methods for identifying impact of humankind on global temperatures.

Parisi's work was more esoteric but no less important, said Moloney. He was was honored for his work examining the changing landscape of material states including seemingly simple things like glass.
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